Diploid said:

scientific studies belong here.

I'd be willing to bet that if a mystic head post a study where prayer DID help, it would be allowed to stay.

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would you not agree that rigorous questinging and debate are a part of science and thus topics having to do with science are more appropriate for this, the debate forum?

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i challenge the notion that a spiritual worldview requires the abandonment of reason.

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*gasp* Heretic!

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off-topic posting can result in a warning or a ban according to the rulez...

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Wiccan_Seeker said:

Wow Swami did the people who left over the whole affair know you rushed back in, hiding in drag?

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wilshire said:

here and in PAL, there is tough debate which helps sharpen critical reasoning and arrive at truth.

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In MR&P, there is pleasant discussion, which helps sharpen respectful social skills, self control and arrive at deeper mutual understandings in areas of common interest.

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in culinary arts, there is sharing of practical knowledge.

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In MR&P, there is also the sharing of practical knowledge related to many esoteric topics, like meditation, energy body work, how to develop deeper insight and clarity, etc. The use of information is relative to ones personal goals and ability to apply it.

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the pub and OTD are for humor and socializing.

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MR&P is for gaining deeper understandings of the bigger META-picture, through sharing information. 

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the thing that makes MRP special is faith. applying reason is not permitted in that forum because the whole point of the forum is to provide an environment where the faithful may be uninterrupted by their own faculties of reason or anyone else's (it's the only forum where reasoning is prohibited). i do not understand how denying and prohibiting the use of reason can ever be constructive.

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That was completely ignorant wilshire.

Posters have valid reasons for what they are interested in and are constructing paradigms of understanding and reason that serve them in their personal goals. You don;t see it because, you have different personal goals, like getting to political truths.

The funniest part is that you believe you do not live on faith everyday.

Do you ask your employer to pay you up front before starting work or do you have faith he will pay you later? Why do you? Because your check is always there on payday. Same goes for people who ritually meditate every morning. When they do, they feel better throughout the day. They have learned to trust they will because they always do. When they had to skip it, they do not feel as good. They have faith that their ritualistic morning meditation brings results because they proved it to themselves through trial and error. Doing something that makes you feel better for the day is good reasoning.

Same with people who work out at the gym and eat healthy.

Regardless, some people get stiffed on paychecks when a business goes belly up. There is no guarantee you'll get your next check, yet you believe you will.

Some guys can pump iron all day and build little muscle mass without steroids. They believed if they pumped iron, they would look like the other guys who do. They started out with faith in the practice that it would bring the desired results.

You have faith, that the burger you order will not give you salmonella and so you order it, because you've never been poisoned before from buying burgers. No guarantee you won't. People have died from salmonella poisoning buying burgers. People still buy them on faith that they were cooked properly.

Why do you bother leaving messages on answering machines? You have faith, the party will get the message. No guarantee. Someone else in the house could erase it first. You leave messages anyway because yo have faith that they will get it.

I could write for 100  pages inciting how much you and others apply faith in your own life. For the same reason you do, so do many others discussing things in MR&P. Many do because, they got results in the past they learned they could trust in and have good reason to make practical applications with some of the information shared there.

Debating subjective experiences is what gets nowhere. If I say a party sucked and you thought it was awesome, who is right, who is telling the truth about how the party was? PROVE IT!

See how dumb and senseless that is?

Some people recognized that debate being initiated in posts with subjective content in here only lead to senseless arguing and flame wars. So a forum was created for discussion of subjective experiences. Why is that so hard to appreciate or understand?




Temptress, If someone posts in MRP, research data that supports the power of prayer, they are now getting into objective territory and the "here's objective evidence" game. I think mods should be moving that stuff into here as well. If people are bringing up objective data, independent of their own personal experiences, then YES, both sides should be represented, IN HERE. I Agree with that.

I think there is confusion regarding initiating such a policy because "evidence" related to UFO research gets posted in there under the paranormal header, BECAUSE, some members didn't want UFO research and debate/discussion posts in this forum.

Which is it people? Do you want objective MR&P research in support of the validity of MRP topics posted in here or not? If not, then it looks like they will stay in there for now to keep the complainers against that form of "forum cluttering" happy.