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Re: if you believe in god [Re: 2Experimental]
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I believe in God because the universe shows signs of intelligent design. You can look at even a paper clip and see intelligent design without any proof of it having a creator.

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Re: if you believe in god [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
Peace.

P.S. - Please don't ask me about sexual relations with m'Lady. Thanks. :smile:



hey, as long as she makes you wake to the morn with a smile on your lips and a song in your heart... and vice versa...

:heart:

shalom


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old enough to know better
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Re: if you believe in god [Re: Swami]
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No pictures either...I just asked her when she stepped in a moment ago. I'm going to get some ice now.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: if you believe in god [Re: Strumpling]
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I don't mind being one ofthe 'flock' if I Know Who the Good Shepherd is.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: if you believe in god [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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(not necessarily to Markos)

Here is the part that may never be answered: is it the mere belief in God that gives people strength (who may not even exist - a one way arrow) or the belief in a God who does exist and responds (two way arrow)?

Rephrased, is it the mindset that gives strength (purely psychological) or actual spiritual assistance?


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The proof is in the pudding.

Edited by Swami (07/15/04 01:55 PM)

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Re: if you believe in god [Re: Swami]
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both, I think. :smile:


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Once in awhile you can get shown the light

In the strangest of places if you look at it right...

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Re: if you believe in god [Re: Swami]
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amazing question, Swamster - I'm not religious so naturally my answer would be the mindset..

I'm interested to see what the believers have to say though this is very interesting


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Re: if you believe in god [Re: Swami]
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I think quite possibly my 'faith' is one way... but if it works, why question it?! oh wait wait, question everything right? well I do question... but then I think the arrows is 2 way because of the signs I see ....... what i DO know is this:
'actual spiritual assistance' as you say it does not have to be 'god' intervining, WE have the power to create and manifest spiritual experiences into our own reality... and since there is no way to proove the 'other side' the 'logical' answer would be ... well you know...

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Re: if you believe in god [Re: DieCommie]
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>>>I believe in God because the universe shows signs of intelligent design. You can look at even a paper clip and see intelligent design without any proof of it having a creator.<<<

What or who created the creator???

The evolutionary process we appear to have gone through suggests randomness and trial and error were is the intelligent design?

Hell, he could of gave me wheels instead of legs!!! Dam it!

Belief is a powerful tool.


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Re: if you believe in god [Re: Ego Death]
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how about this....there never was any creation as far as the 'spiritual' goes, and there always was and always will be.  time doesnt exsist.  and life is an illusion.  no i dont mean it is not real, i mean your perception of it is not real, only love is real. love is all there is, hence... God=love :heart:  so yes, even you are god.
guess you will find out when you die, everybody dies, so everybody will find out eventually huh? yay. :cool:


"All there is, is love. Everything else is just reaching out for it."

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Re: if you believe in god [Re: ]
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I suppose

Devil = Hate

then????

This is rediculouse. LMFAO


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Re: if you believe in god [Re: ]
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Throughout history mankind has had hundreds of different description's of God's. There is no god, only life energy.

To believe in God is simply a facility for your personal contentness. Belief can allow you to do much more than non-belief and that has been proven. Hypnotism works through belief.

I think if you do believe then you cannot accept that there might be nobody in control of our world and that is fearful for you. The fact is you could die / be tortured at any moment and God is simply a belief that protects you from these thoughts. Allows you to know that you will be omni-potent.

Ignorance = God


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Re: if you believe in god [Re: Ego Death]
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danoEoboy said:
There is no god, only life energy.

Are these ideas exclusive? I dont think so.... Just because one believes in God dosent mean he believes in the god of Abraham, or any "personified" God for that matter....

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Re: if you believe in god [Re: Ego Death]
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It's almost amazing that there could be a thread with three pages regarding such a moot depate. I would have hoped we would be past this kind of discussion. There is no answer to the the question "God?". There are personal beliefs, which are nothing more than that, BELIEFS. Take a step back and realize that whatever your belief is, that has been molded to answer you own specific questions and nurture you own insecurities. At this point in evolution/time there is no reason for this debate and it is just kepping us from asking important questions.

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Re: if you believe in god [Re: DieCommie]
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I agree with both of you.

Oh well better stop beating that dead horse...


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Re: if you believe in god [Re: Ego Death]
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God must be a pretty bad architect considering how flawed we are.


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We're the lowest of the low, the scum of the fucking earth!

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Re: if you believe in god [Re: Scarfmeister]
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btw god if you are listening, thanks for the aids, cancer and the plauge. Great stuff. I really fear you know.


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Re: if you believe in god [Re: Ego Death]
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To believe in God is simply a facility for your personal contentness.



What about the opposite situation or to not believe in God ?
I believe both answers exist for your "personal contentness". Why not make the question "Does it matter if God exists ?" rather than "Does he exists ?"
I believe there's something else, maybe a superior and intelligent order but as i don't know what it is, i can't depend my life, my behavior and my choices on it but sure there is a subconscious mind that assimilates all this thoughts, the rest depends on my nature and personality. On this matter i admit it has an influence but i am free to choose consciously anyway, that's when questions like "Does it matter", mean giving relative importance to subjective issues become crucial in the way i see this reality.

Answer this question:
"Who created the notion of God ?"

MAIA


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Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
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Re: if you believe in god [Re: 2Experimental]
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In an 'objective' view, the chances that 'god' exists, shown by proofs are exactly 50 percent. I often wonder about this.

For me, as an subjective beeing, it looks different.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: if you believe in god [Re: Ego Death]
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danoEoboy said:
Throughout history mankind has had hundreds of different description's of God's.  There is no god, only life energy.

To believe in God is simply a facility for your personal contentness.  Belief can allow you to do much more than non-belief and that has been proven.  Hypnotism works through belief.

I think if you do believe then you cannot accept that there might be nobody in control of our world and that is fearful for you.  The fact is you could die / be tortured at any moment and God is simply a belief that protects you from these thoughts.  Allows you to know that you will be omni-potent.

Ignorance = God


Ignorance = Duality. While you may place road-blocks on your imagination and thus limit God to a 'belief', others have become aware of God through themselves. I would say someone who attempts to control his own reality is the one who's afraid of the great unknown. 'Things' don't exist in oneness of God - the Holy, the Shy. Egocentric positions like "Ignorance=God" bounce off the material walls of infinitude, unable to relate to the Divine Essence, and thus unable to enter it. Ya gotta be humble to become water forever. Peace.  :heart:


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