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Anonymous

Question to Atheists
    #1746146 - 07/24/03 11:35 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I'm curious, when you tell someone you're atheist, and they ask you why, and you know that you cannot offer them a two-hour explanation, only a 1-minute sound-bite, what do you say?


I think a good answer would be

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

If that doesn't do 'em I simply say: "C'mon, admit it. You know there isn't a God."
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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: ]
    #1746181 - 07/24/03 11:44 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I have a question.

Does god need to be a person or something. I dont say im athiest, but I dont believe in god the father, the son or the holy ghost. I believe we are all part of a working process, and connected infinately and this is what I call god. Does this mean I believe in god or not? Am I athiest? I don't really know the exact meaning. Im a phychedelist ;]


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: Quadrant6]
    #1746215 - 07/24/03 11:57 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

atheist

\A"the*ist\, n. [Gr. ? without god; 'a priv. + ? god: cf. F. ath['e]iste.] 1. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being.

Im Agnostic.


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: ]
    #1746218 - 07/24/03 11:58 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

How about: "I'm an atheist because I don't believe in God"


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: ]
    #1746224 - 07/25/03 12:01 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Or, "I'm an atheist because I don't see a reason for beleiving in a concept that is past my living sensory experience."


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: ]
    #1746233 - 07/25/03 12:04 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

JustAnotherPuppet said:Im Agnostic.






w00t!!!!!!



oh, and don't bother explaining WHY you're atheist, most people who don't already understand why, or can't understand why you might be, are too stupid to understand aything that you'd tell them.


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
    #1746252 - 07/25/03 12:15 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I was once an atheist because I never personally witnessed the prescence of god.  since then, that has changed :smile:

but I wouldn't blame anyone for not believing if they havent seen it.


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1746264 - 07/25/03 12:20 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

that's because you're a probably a smart and tolerant person, many god-philes have grown up being taught only hate and fear for things that they don't understand.


edit: another problem with people raised on religion is that they never experienced god like you did.

that might not make any sense, if it doesn't please don't hold it against me :P


Edited by Faaip_De_Oiad (07/25/03 12:25 AM)


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
    #1746270 - 07/25/03 12:22 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Obviously there is a higher intelligence, how can humans be so ignorant to beleive they are the highest intelligence in the universe. Obviously there has to be some higher intelligence to have created all of these.


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1746280 - 07/25/03 12:27 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

This was not meant to be a debate. It was a "Question to Atheists". Im all for having a debate though! Just make another thread for it please. Thanks


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: ]
    #1746844 - 07/25/03 03:26 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

One variation is:

I'm an atheist for the same reason as why I am an agremlinist, a person who disbelieves or denies the existence of gremlins.


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: ]
    #1747079 - 07/25/03 05:47 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

God means many things to many people. I could say I'm an atheist in the sense that I don't believe in the personal God separate from man that is described in the Bible. However, I do believe in the Hindu concept of the Atman, the all-that-is, as my definition of God.


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: silversoul7]
    #1748823 - 07/25/03 06:16 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Generally speaking, 'God' is defined as a being which is higher than humans; often, it is defined as an 'ultimate' or 'supreme' being, implying that it is the highest being. Generally, both factors are present in a definition, thus precluding the notion that Man is God, unless one takes the view that we are all one mind, and the sum of all minds is God; in this case, an individual is both God (ie, part of the collective mind) and less than God (ie, just one individual facet of the collective mind).


Also note that saying "I don't believe in God" could mean you are either an atheist or an agnostic. An atheist would have to specifically say "I believe there is no God," whereas an agnostic may say "I don't believe in a god, nor do I believe there is none; one or more may or may not exist."

There is some confusion in that people who are agnostics have been known to refer to themselves as atheists, further clouding the definition of the word. This leads some people to lump both atheists and agnostics under the word 'atheist,' further muddying the issue and dragging down the true intellectuals (ie, agnostics, such as myself). It also throws this thread somewhat into doubt; is the author addressing true atheists, or both atheists and agnostics?


I lump atheists into the same category as I do theists: the people that believe something they can never prove.

Agnostics are a seperate category - the people that acknowledge the truth of the matter; namely, that we do not truly know if there is/are god(s), and realistically cannot know (except maybe if we/I are/am 'God').


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1748885 - 07/25/03 06:34 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)



Edited by Xibalba (09/30/05 02:29 AM)


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: Xibalba]
    #1749022 - 07/25/03 07:27 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry for the confusion. I did not intend to address myself as an atheist. I simply said "I think a good answer would be". But to answer your question. Hmmmm I guess this could be for both true athiests and agnostics.


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: ]
    #1749288 - 07/25/03 09:16 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I dont believe in the bible, i dont believe that god wrote the bible. I dont believe that humans were created by a higher power. I believe that our reality was created by a higher power. I believe that there is another dimension that exists. I believe there is a creator of our reality, but not a "god" so to speek. I believe that we will never know were "life" came from. How it started, we will never now. All we can do is hypothesize and make theories.

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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: ]
    #1749298 - 07/25/03 09:19 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Because there is no proof.


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: Gorian]
    #1749683 - 07/26/03 12:28 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Short answers for each major stance on theism:


Agnostic:
There is insufficient proof either way; even if proof was available, it would be by its nature material, and therefore just as suspect as everything else in the universe. Only if I was God could I be sure one existed.

Atheist:
Because that's what I randomly decided to believe, despite a lack of proof.

Theist:
Because that's what I randomly decided to believe, despite a lack of proof.


There ya go.


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: Pyronate]
    #1749708 - 07/26/03 12:47 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Athiests have nothing to prove.


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Re: Question to Atheists [Re: Gorian]
    #1750062 - 07/26/03 03:33 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Athiests have nothing to prove.




I think there are really two kinds of atheists. The first kind simply takes the lack of proof of any particular god's existence at face value, in exactly the same way as the lack of proof of the existence of Santa Claus, gremlins, unicorns, or truckloads of green cheese on the Moon.

The other kind of atheist actively tries to disprove a specific god's existence by arguing about inconsistencies in the definition of that god, and perhaps other factors that make the god's existence seem unreasonable. This type of atheism is basically more like debunking superstition and faulty logic. But sometimes it goes to such extremes in trying to prove a point that it becomes a belief system in itself.


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