Home | Community | Message Board

MushroomCube.com
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | Next >  [ show all ]
OfflineNewbieS
User of semicolons.
Male User Gallery

Registered: 07/18/04
Posts: 24,710
Loc: SoCal
Last seen: 1 day, 15 hours
Re: For Atheists... [Re: trendal]
    #5890407 - 07/23/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

trendal said:
Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
Lots of unanwsered questions.







Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFractalated
There's no onehome up there...

Registered: 07/22/06
Posts: 640
Last seen: 17 years, 4 months
Re: For Atheists... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5890411 - 07/23/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Whatever


--------------------
"Now that the principalities and the powers stockpile weapons of mass destruction, contaminate the earth with their feverish industry, release floods of images to trigger insatiable desires, treat animals and humans as commodities and functions of a market, the devil must be grinning from ear to ear."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSilversoul
Rhizome
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
Re: For Atheists... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5890434 - 07/23/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Oh no? Too bad I saw two elections he won. Try not to pollute this thread and forum with bullshit you can't get away with at PA&L.



How about you take that stick out of your ass and learn to take a fucking joke?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemikeownow
Humungus fungus

Registered: 09/01/05
Posts: 2,856
Loc: WA,USA
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: For Atheists... [Re: Cracka_X]
    #5890473 - 07/23/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Cracka_X said:
What brought you to Atheism?




Atheists in America tripled in about 2002 when everyone found out George W bush was Christian.


--------------------
No statements made in any post or message by myself should be construed to mean that I am now, or have ever been, participating in or considering participation in any activities in violation of any local, state, or federal laws. All posts are works of fiction.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole

Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: For Atheists... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5890620 - 07/23/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Try not to pollute this thread and forum with bullshit you can't get away with at PA&L.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFractalated
There's no onehome up there...

Registered: 07/22/06
Posts: 640
Last seen: 17 years, 4 months
Re: For Atheists... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5890633 - 07/23/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

We were discussing divine intervention, and how "God" could give two shits about who the president is. Then you came along and started babbling about politics. How about YOU stop polluting this thread with your irrelevant bullshit?


--------------------
"Now that the principalities and the powers stockpile weapons of mass destruction, contaminate the earth with their feverish industry, release floods of images to trigger insatiable desires, treat animals and humans as commodities and functions of a market, the devil must be grinning from ear to ear."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole

Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: For Atheists... [Re: Fractalated]
    #5890650 - 07/23/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't bring that shit here, SS did. And I answered the thread question fully and honestly. If you have a political issue, bring it to where the big boys live, PA&L.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMushmanTheManic
Stranger

Registered: 04/21/05
Posts: 4,587
Re: For Atheists... [Re: Fractalated]
    #5890654 - 07/23/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

C'mon now. Everyone knows George Dubya Bush Jr was propelled into officed by the sole effort of the Elders of Zion Retirement Home in New York, New York. Bill White truly won the election in 2000, but the Zionist Occupational Government used their liberalizationized media to blind the nation to what was really going on. SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!!!


Edited by MushmanTheManic (07/23/06 02:02 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDroz
Love of Life
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/15/00
Posts: 2,746
Loc: Floorida
Last seen: 8 years, 5 months
Re: For Atheists... [Re: Fractalated]
    #5890657 - 07/23/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

We have an intelligent designer inside of us. But how do we know it's intelligent, or could just be random changes made by a designer, why do we have 5 fingers on each hand instead of 6?


--------------------
Evolution of Time.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFractalated
There's no onehome up there...

Registered: 07/22/06
Posts: 640
Last seen: 17 years, 4 months
Re: For Atheists... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5890672 - 07/23/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

As a matter of fact, I do believe SS was continuing on with a joke that the Coyote made. It's a joke. He even said so.

You were the one who wanted to start a political discussion because of it, and then got bothered and told people to go argue in PA&L. That's like smacking someone in one room, and then telling them that you're not supposed to smack people there so if you want to smack, you should go outside.

This wasn't a political discussion until you came along, started discussing politics, and then told people not to discuss politics here.

You should just stop while you're ahead.


--------------------
"Now that the principalities and the powers stockpile weapons of mass destruction, contaminate the earth with their feverish industry, release floods of images to trigger insatiable desires, treat animals and humans as commodities and functions of a market, the devil must be grinning from ear to ear."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMushmanTheManic
Stranger

Registered: 04/21/05
Posts: 4,587
Re: For Atheists... [Re: Fractalated]
    #5890679 - 07/23/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Political discussions are allowed hizzile.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFractalated
There's no onehome up there...

Registered: 07/22/06
Posts: 640
Last seen: 17 years, 4 months
Re: For Atheists... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5890783 - 07/23/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed, which is why I found it strange that zappa was telling people to go argue politics in PA&L instead of here. Whatever though.


--------------------
"Now that the principalities and the powers stockpile weapons of mass destruction, contaminate the earth with their feverish industry, release floods of images to trigger insatiable desires, treat animals and humans as commodities and functions of a market, the devil must be grinning from ear to ear."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFractalated
There's no onehome up there...

Registered: 07/22/06
Posts: 640
Last seen: 17 years, 4 months
Re: For Atheists... [Re: Droz]
    #5890795 - 07/23/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Because that's the way we evolved. The necessary causes and conditions for a five fingered being came to be, so accordingly, a five fingered being arose.

If the causes and conditions were ripe for a six fingered being, then a six fingered being would arise.


--------------------
"Now that the principalities and the powers stockpile weapons of mass destruction, contaminate the earth with their feverish industry, release floods of images to trigger insatiable desires, treat animals and humans as commodities and functions of a market, the devil must be grinning from ear to ear."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: For Atheists... [Re: Fractalated]
    #5890874 - 07/23/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Fractalated said:
Your description of Atheism sounds quite a bit more like nihilism.

Here's an enjoyable little snippet from our good ole' pal Watts

Quote:

Now, when we get to that point in Buddhism, Buddhists do a funny thing, which is going to occupy our attention for a good deal of this seminar. They don't fall down and worship. They don't really have any name for what it is that is, really and basically. The idea of anatman, of non-self, is applied in Buddhism not only to the individual ego, but also to the notion that there is a self of the universe, a kind of impersonal or personal god, and so it is generally supposed that Buddhism is generally atheistic. It's true, depending on what you mean by atheism. Common or garden atheism is a form of belief, namely that I believe there is no god--and Hans Enkel[?] is its prophet. (I'm speaking of a famous atheist). The atheist positively denies the existence of any god. All right. Now, there is such an atheist, if you put dash between the 'a' and 'theist,' or speak about something called 'atheos'--'theos' in Greek means 'god'--but what is a non-god? A non-god is an inconceivable something or other.







That's because atheism IS a bit like nihilism.


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMushmanTheManic
Stranger

Registered: 04/21/05
Posts: 4,587
Re: For Atheists... [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5890889 - 07/23/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Nihilism grows out of Atheism like a beautiful flower.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: For Atheists... [Re: Veritas]
    #5890904 - 07/23/06 02:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Veritas said:
Quote:

I'm not an atheist, but I think the pluses of atheism are obvious:

-first of all, the number one reason is sexual freedom.
There is nothing above mans urge to screw someone or something, and you can get a person to do anything and believe in anything if you appeal to his sexual urges.

-There are no standards to which you have to behave and think other than those you accept yourself or are enforced to by by guns.

-it does not require any kind of understanding or thinking: you are an animal, there is no god, period, no deeper philosophy in it.

-human life is a coincidence, therefore people hold no responsibility to do or be anything, they can just sit around all day and do nothing, or eat till they get 200kg, it doesn't matter, because the universe does not care wheather they are here or not.





One can have standards without believing in a supernatural deity.  This argument against atheism/agnosticism is tired and old.  Ethical standards, personal responsibility, compassion, love, ambition, philosophy, meaningfulness, philanthropy, self-discipline, are all independent of the fear and worship of G-O-D.

All the behaviors you attribute to atheism are regularly practiced by those who call themselves believers.  How is their professed belief in God preventing their animal nature from running wild?  Or is the argument here that true believers never misbehave, due to their heartfelt faith in an all-loving, vengeful father figure?

I am more agnostic than atheist, as I believe it is impossible to either prove OR disprove the existence of supernatural beings.

I have not seen nor experienced any evidence of the existence of the Christian God, but leave open the possibility that a conscious energy empowers and enlivens the Universe.

It seems highly unlikely to me that this energy is concerned with our choice of sexual partners, overconsumption of food, or candidate for President.  :rolleyes:




I say other than those standards you accept yourself.

Sure you can believe in love and order, but you don't have to, nothing is telling you you should. It's just a choice. It doesn't make you a better person to believe in love and peace, because there is no such thing as a better person, just different person

Yea, energies don't care about your sex life, but Jehowah was never described as energy. But rather as a god that can get angry, has demands and fights a war with his oponent.
You might consider him evil, but he does not answer to morality, because he invented it for people.

p.s. There are very little true believers. I never met a person living like Jesus did, therefore I'm not comparing atheists and christians. Most christians are fools and do not represent Biblical teachings


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Edited by OldWoodSpecter (07/23/06 03:02 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFractalated
There's no onehome up there...

Registered: 07/22/06
Posts: 640
Last seen: 17 years, 4 months
Re: For Atheists... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5890923 - 07/23/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It's such an extreme position though. It's like saying that the universe exists, or that it doesn't exist, or that it both exists and doesn't exist, or that it neither exists nor doesn't exist. They're all extremes.


--------------------
"Now that the principalities and the powers stockpile weapons of mass destruction, contaminate the earth with their feverish industry, release floods of images to trigger insatiable desires, treat animals and humans as commodities and functions of a market, the devil must be grinning from ear to ear."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: For Atheists... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5890928 - 07/23/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
"It seems highly unlikely to me that this energy is concerned with our choice of sexual partners, overconsumption of food, or candidate for President."

You mean George Bush wasn't chosen by God?




He is here to lead the way to the antichrist, which is good because I'm really tired of waiting


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOldWoodSpecter
waiting
Male

Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 3 months
Re: For Atheists... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5890934 - 07/23/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
Nihilism grows out of Atheism like a beautiful flower.




Yea.


--------------------
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSilversoul
Rhizome
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
Re: For Atheists... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5890950 - 07/23/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
Nihilism grows out of Atheism like a beautiful flower.



But it's even better when Existentialism grows out of Nihilism.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Why are atheists more moral?
( 1 2 3 all )
Swami 3,455 44 12/07/03 09:09 PM
by enotake2
* Some Christians and the Atheist
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
Swami 14,259 119 07/31/02 07:19 AM
by Sclorch
* A Sound Argument for Free Will shroomydan 2,833 17 10/11/04 08:21 PM
by deff
* Argument by Design Bullfrog1 1,627 10 12/09/07 07:38 PM
by Holly
* atheist vs agnostic vs deist looner2 1,952 14 10/29/05 10:48 AM
by Deviate
* Murder, killing, death penalty, religion, ect. Vulture 1,383 10 06/04/03 01:22 AM
by thestringphish
* the Muslim and the Atheist Zahid 1,247 9 07/26/02 02:13 PM
by Anonymous
* 33 Questions that will make you an atheist
( 1 2 3 all )
top 4,262 46 11/20/05 02:47 AM
by detergent

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
7,169 topic views. 0 members, 8 guests and 1 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.024 seconds spending 0.008 seconds on 15 queries.