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Re: christains? buddist? catholics? satanist? athiest? [Re: wandrnshaman]
    #3583003 - 01/05/05 06:45 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Well,

May the Peace of Christ be with you.


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Re: christains? buddist? catholics? satanist? athiest? [Re: shroomydan]
    #3583016 - 01/05/05 06:58 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Catholicism, Baptism, Mormonism, Jehovahs Witness, Methodism, Evangelism, Latter Day Saints, Eastern Authodox: They are ALL as bad as EACH OTHER.
This goes for the Suni and Shea branches of Islam, and all the others. Doesn't this show what a load of bullshit religion is (IMHO)????
"Depending what book you're using at the time, don't work, it's all lies, gotta use mine." - Frank Zappa.


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Re: christains? buddist? catholics? satanist? athiest? [Re: leturheadread]
    #3583062 - 01/05/05 07:44 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

You should check the archives, there a lot on this.
I was raised Jewish, but discovered The Way through psychedelic experiences, and eventually identified myself as a Jewish Christian. I discovered some years later that the date of my first LSD trip, and the date of my baptism, were exactly four years apart to the day - July 1, 1972 and July 1, 1976. I later took a Masters degree in theology in a Methodist seminary.


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Re: christains? buddist? catholics? satanist? athiest? [Re: leturheadread]
    #3583329 - 01/05/05 10:27 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

for the record a catholic is as far from a Christian as a satanist

Where did you learn that? The Catholic church represents the bulk of Christianity and is also the root of Christianity. While I agree that the Catholic church has, over the past two millenia, become involved in things which they shouldn't have and strayed from the true teachings of Jesus Christ...I would not try to compare Catholicism to Satanism. They don't even come close.


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Re: christains? buddist? catholics? satanist? athiest? [Re: leturheadread]
    #3583374 - 01/05/05 10:54 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Im sick of people not doin any research and just signing up to trendy eastern phylosiphy or occult religoins.




This sounds to me like "I'm sick of people who don't agree with me."

I'm sure whatever I believe is at best a tiny fraction of the truth.


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Re: christains? buddist? athiest? (spelling patrol) [Re: leturheadread]
    #3583576 - 01/05/05 12:14 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

christian
buddhist
atheist



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i was a card-carrying member of "the society of evangelical agnostics"

but in order to complete the motif, i had to schism with the mother order & thus found "s.e.a. reform branch" (& thus: "we'll believe anything once"...

:wink:

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& proudly presenting: [Re: gnrm23]
    #3583585 - 01/05/05 12:17 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

a new quasi-heretical gaian mahayanist christian sect

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the gnostic redeemer zen lutheran church of north america ltd pty...



gesundheit...


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& now a word from our sponsor: [Re: gnrm23]
    #3583590 - 01/05/05 12:18 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

FNORD!!!


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historical mishamash... [Re: gnrm23]
    #3583661 - 01/05/05 12:40 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

i dunno how this got to be a catholic-bashing dealio, but...
early christianity was primarily urban in nature...
& there were 5 "patriarchates" of which rome was only one...
after the first few centuries of its history (during which many "heretics" were eliminated) the christian church(es) moved from a fringe jewish messianic cult to a persecuted minority to an accepted religion of the roman empire (constantine was emperor of the roman empire, seated in greece/turkey, & not in rome)to becoming damned near mandatory for everyone in europe & nearby environs...
the great schism between east & west took place in the late 11th century (over the nature of the person of the holy spirit); the "protestant reformation" got underway during the lifetime of dr martin luther (late 15th & early 16th centuries), a roman catholic (order of st augustine) priest & professor of bible studies at wittenburg university (though there were more lacalized reform movement in europe several years before luther was born)...

all roman catholics are (nominally) christian; not all (nominal) christians are roman catholic...
as to who is REALLY a christian --- well, "by their fruits shall ye know them"...


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really, calling roman catholic baliefs as far from "mainstream christianity" as satanism is absurd...
RC is one of 3 main groups of Xtianity - eastern orthodoxy, roman caholicism, & the many protestant churches...
(there are others with long histories, & some rather ecent variations so far from "mainstream" as to be considered ummmm not 'zackly christian...)


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dr huston smith [Re: gnrm23]
    #3583664 - 01/05/05 12:41 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

www.hustonsmith.com


go to yr local library & check out _why religion matters_ for an excellent read, mmmmkay?


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Re: christains? buddist? athiest? (spelling patrol) [Re: gnrm23]
    #3583668 - 01/05/05 12:42 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

gnrm23 said:
christian
buddhist
atheist



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i was a card-carrying member of "the society of evangelical agnostics"

but in order to complete the motif, i had to schism with the mother order & thus found "s.e.a. reform branch" (& thus: "we'll believe anything once"...

:wink:

ymmv...


Oh thats CLASS. :thumbup: :smirk: :heart:


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Re: christains? buddist? athiest? (spelling patrol) [Re: Loosifa]
    #3583686 - 01/05/05 12:45 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

oooga-booga-mhay-itstheway

come fly with me


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Re: christains? buddist? catholics? satanist? athiest? [Re: phi1618]
    #3583952 - 01/05/05 02:29 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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phi1618 said:
Quote:

I'm sick of people not doing any research and just signing up to trendy eastern philosophy or occult religions.




This sounds to me like "I'm sick of people who don't agree with me."

I'm sure whatever I believe is at best a tiny fraction of the truth.




No not at all i wouldn't want everyone to agree with me then there would be no arguments and what fun would that be. I'm simply saying i don't like it when people don't do there research, its annoying when you know more about a persons religion(when not of that faith) then they do. and no I'm not saying i know everything not even close i just find allot of people don't even know much about what they pledge elegance to. its not really dangerous to decide what shoes you buy based on trends but to decide what faith you will hold based on trends isn't very bright.

also i apologize for my exaggerated comparison of the catholic church to satanism, i just get worked up cause catholics tend to give true followers of Christ a bad name.


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Re: christains? buddist? catholics? satanist? athiest? [Re: leturheadread]
    #3584210 - 01/05/05 03:34 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

im with cubed,
dude, grab the bongos and let us go make tribal music!


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Re: christains? buddist? athiest? (spelling patrol) [Re: gnrm23]
    #3584269 - 01/05/05 03:46 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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gnrm23 said:
christian
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That's about how I would describe myself, except I'd also throw in Taoist, Hindu, and pantheist. I'm a religious mutt.


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Re: historical mishamash... [Re: gnrm23]
    #3584903 - 01/05/05 06:04 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Happy New Year gnrm23! Where ya been? How ya doin'?

I think I have a Christian exterior and a Buddhist interior, but they both interface at the Sacred Heart-Diamond Body. I don't know how to put this without confusing people which is something I do NOT want to do. Hmmmmm. Simple Compassion rules my Heart, but complicated esotericism fills my mind. On one of my first trips...perhaps my third...I said to my original tripping buddy: "Feelings are melted thoughts." Does any of this make sense to you?


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Re: historical mishamash... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3585232 - 01/05/05 06:59 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

im an athiest but also an entheobotanical agnostic, so who knows, but definitely not affiliated with any organized religion


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Re: christains? buddist? catholics? satanist? athiest? [Re: leturheadread]
    #3587006 - 01/06/05 01:44 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Nice thread. I mean i like all these religious and philosophic discussions but everything always gets repeated. SO here's another repitition of my beliefs...

I was born and raised a polish catholic. I remember having to stand up for hours and then kneel down on my knees following this stupid ritual  repeating along with everyone else "my fault, my fault, my enormous fault" (in polish) I had nfi what i did wrong and why i must feel guilty.

I'm guessing now this reffers to the sinful ways of mankind and the way we persecuted christ and killed him. It's the same thing as Original Sin. becuase someone ate an apple and god was angry we have to feel guilty. But am I as an individual responsible for the actions of those before me? I suppose if you look at the more eastern philosophy of all mankind and all things in the universe being One universal consciousness then I am also those people that crucified jesus. haha and hey so was jesus! does he have to feel guilty about killing himself? Does his father 'God' feel guilty about killing him?

haha this is just nonsense talk. Besides christians don't believe in this universal consciousness thing being 'God'. God is a very personified entity. He is after all a 'he'. We must praise him, bless him and thank him. I forget what post it was but it was a great read comparing Christianity to Eastern Philosophies and that really everything being the same and us all being one makes a lot more sense than us individuals being down here and an omnipotent insecure god up there.

The christian God always needs reassurance. He has very low self esteem and must continually be praised. Like a big Bully that is weak on the inside we feed him this praise because of his threats of eternal damnation if we do not believe in him and praise him.

I don't practice buddhism or believe in hinduism or any of that. Although any sort of meditation or prayer i believe is highly beneficial. It just seems that buddhims is as easily corrupted as Christianity. In Thailand the monestaries accept donations but some monks DEMAND a donation or they don't bless you, probably curse you instead.

Occult religions sound very interesting to me with their sacred geometry and links to Egyptian 'Mystery Schools' and all that, but Freemasons are fucking nuts! :laugh:


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I find almost anyone who does there homework and searches for truth finds Christ sooner or later.




Haha meaning that in the end Christianity is the only real truth, the rest of us just aren't doing our homework.

The only thing that could persuade me is Biblical Numerology. In the Hebrew Alphabet every letter correspnds to a numerical value. The way the Torah is written is pretty crazy in that there are so many mathematical patterns mostly multiples of seven etc... Supposedly it would take people thousands of years (or a long time at least).

Maybe for us today it would be impossible. But im thinking maybe Jewish spiritual leaders were once well versed with mathematical patterns in sentences and paragraphs, having known the language and their numerical values from childhood. Perhaps they could even construct pages of words with these patterns with some training, in order to give their writings some religious authority. Of course i don't know how difficult this would be but crazier things have been done my Idiot-savants(sp?) And the mysteries of the Pyramid and the vast astrological knowledge and their acuracy at the time is crazy. But you wouldn't believe in jackal and bird- headed figures being gods now would you?

To me believing in christianity is like believing in Norse Mythology. century old mythological beliefs and superstitions.

I made a joke of this lining up to go to church at our school(catholic) and bowed down to Thor when a lightning storm started. hehe.

Anyway if this Numerology proves that the bible is the direct word of god (without human interperetation which would explain the stupid hypocritical shit) then in the words of modest mouse: 'God who'd wanna be such an asshole?'

Spiting people, turning cities of lesbians and poofs into salt (err.. from memory) The old testament is filled with funny shit, everyone should read it. If god is all loving but chooses who shall be rewarded and punished then that is the biggest hypocrisy that disproves the christian faith.

This is especially wrong if this decision is based on somebody's faith rather than the way they lived their life.

Also another silly thing, 'God hates Fags' but hey didn't god create man in his image? Does he hate himself in that case? Also i'd to cleare up for all the christians that homosexuality is not really a choice but a physiological thing. It's like hating somebody because they're retarded.

jeez what a long rant.

To finish off, i quite like the idea of a collective consciousness. That is it connects ALL things in the universe. So you are the same as you're shoe etc... Like the blanket thing in 'I (heart) huckabees'
it's great because whenever you really want to be someone else or have something you already are and have.

And many ppl on the shroomery have experienced ego death and universe being One then say it is the one universal truth. How do you know this? because You experienced it yourself? I'm sure Moses Really saw a burning bush! what does that prove? we all have subjective experiences of exo-reality interfaced by  the chemical processes of our brain. The experiences of a sane, schizophrenic or tripping person cannot be valid nor invalid as we all experience everything subjectively and until we figure out the great mystery of consciousness we cannot know the truth, only Our own truth.

So i leave you to believe what you want, I just won't believe it with you.

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Re: christains? buddist? catholics? satanist? athiest? [Re: el_duderino]
    #3587033 - 01/06/05 01:59 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Spiting people, turning cities of lesbians and poofs into salt

  :rotfl:


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Re: christains? buddist? athiest? (spelling patrol) [Re: Paou]
    #3588133 - 01/06/05 10:37 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Paou said:
Quote:

gnrm23 said:
christian
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atheist



That's about how I would describe myself, except I'd also throw in Taoist, Hindu, and pantheist.  I'm a religious mutt.






arrr, heh -- not describing self, but (vainly) attempting to correct misspelling/typos...

sheesh, what a nitpicker this gnrmi dude is :wink: ...

(& thus subject heading "spelling control" koffkoff)...


(&, like a guy (nice guy, much older than i am, & he is a lutheran who believes in reincarnation?!?!) at my church once asked me: "what the heck is a mahayanist christian?" )(heh)


i like to think of christians (at their best) as being represented by folks like:
carl jung
thomas merton
frederick frank
huston smith
albert hoffman
mike young
mother theresa




& whaddya think?????


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