SkorpivoMusterion said:

Trust vs. Trying, Controlling, Striving.
1)  All of the foregoing happenings imply a kind of trust in the self and a trust in the world which permits the temporary giving up of straining and striving, of volition and control, of conscious coping and effort.
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2)  [Giving birth, urination, defecation, sleeping, floating in the water, sexual surrender are all instances in which straining, trying, controlling, have to be given up in favor of relaxed, trusting, confident letting things happen.]
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3)  Our question now is how does this receptivity or "letting things happen" relate to the syndrome of here-now immersion and self-forgetfulness?

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1)  In your first paragraph, do you really think that even a temporary "giving up of control of straining and striving towards an effort" to keep one's children in line falls in context with what you have deemed to be a "trust in the world"....?  Perhaps I even chose certain things in my very "quoting" of your post to debate (to be noted as an embraced striving of controlled effort to consiously cope with trying to understand your full underlying reasoning behind this post) because it was controlling for myself to not quote it all....(?)  Perhaps I will be controlling of my trust to the very world that is telling me to "temporarily give up" my striving to find out and test the truth so I can really evaluate how to deal with certain situations as they come to me, or if I go to them....      HHhhhmmmmm....  .
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2a)  Aaaahhhh, I *believe* you are correct about ALL of the physical items you listed in your second paragraph as it relates to "flowing", of which I have controllingly chosen to quote in your post, or are they really correct in the context you have stated....? 
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2b)  If we are "supposed" to give up "controlling" those items to which you have stated, there would be NO self control over those very things you listed....  If there is no self control over anything BUT giving birth(to which I am not capable of), everyone would be;  shitting and pissing their pants while asleep at the wheel and having sex like bunny rabbits 24/7 in a constantly growing automobile collision in the blistering dog-knots of a sleeping stinky shitty uninhibited sex FRENZY....!      Yummy to the N^th degree....   
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1,2,3)  I *believe* that I will trust in my insticts of trying, controlling, and striving to have self control over my controlling instinct to NOT TRUST ANYTHING without TESTING those very conditions that might cause danger to myself and others because there is such a thing called "Deception" in the world....  As my reception to "letting things happen" is very much going to stay in MY control before I hand it over to the world....  I *believe* I have stayed within the context of the intended meaning and/or points of your words, but please correct me if I have failed....  It seems you have somewhat dismissed the "wolf in sheeps clothing" commonly known as "Deception" --that may or may not be present within our peer brothers, sisters, chidren, AND wildlife of the world, trusting that they WILL choose to make the CORRECT decisions at ALL times with that so ever eluding and inherent "correct choice" as some may or may not strive for humanity and honesty like we should.... 
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3)  For if we immerse ourselves self forgetfulness as an excuse, and trust that everone does indeed think the way *we* ourselves do, only EVIL intentions would be left on this earth....  For the people that do choose to control others feed on the weaker, possibly more trusting and honest people like this....  Go with the flow....?  NO....  For even testing one's intents would be "going with the flow" as you have put it in this context (as I have perceived)....  And again, I ask you to correct me if I have perceived the meaning of the context of your words in an incorrect manner....  For I DO make mistakes when I am lead by my heart and/or instincts in my self-awareness and judgement of the "here and NOW" as I TAKE CONTROL of "the flow" around me, make my evaluation of how to act, and THEN decide to act accordingly under each certain situational circumstance --as a (possibly) fully mentally grounded individual....      For the world can be a very unforgiving place if we all just permitted ourselves to "go with the flow" and trust everyone with out "going against the flow" to intentionally test for the true intents of another....    Otherwise that flow may wash your very life down the river of trust, rolling in the undercurrents, and scraping bottom all the way down the river....  The way you have stated this philosophy here, it *seems* like a blind way to approach the REAL world we live in as it truly can be....
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For one thing, using the artist's respect for his materials as a paradigm, we may speak of this respectful attention to the matter-in-hand as a kind of courtesy or deference [without intrusion of the controlling will] which is akin to "taking it seriously." This amounts to treating it as an end, something per se, with its own right to be, rather than as a means to some end other than itself; i.e., as a tool for some extrinsic purpose. This respectful treatment of its being implies that it is respect-worthy.
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This courtesy or respectfulness can apply equally to the problem, to the materials, to the situation, or to the person. It is what one writer has called deference [yielding, surrender] to the authority of the facts, to the law of the situation.
I can go over from a bare permitting "it" to be itself, to a loving, caring, approving, joyful, eagerness that it be itself, as with one's child or sweetheart or tree or poem or pet animal.
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Some such attitude is a priori necessary for perceiving or understanding the full concrete richness of the matter-in-hand, in its own nature and in its own style, without our help, without our imposing ourselves upon it, in about the same way that we must hush and be still if we wish to hear the whisper from the other.
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Be the Flower

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I believe that safety from harm or possible death to be of the upmost of "taking it seriously", and that IS of the matters of the "controlling will" that one to use a judgement of another's human behaviour when flowing in life to the next circumstance where "testing" to be of the very relevence to one's safety --a factor NEVER to be hushed....    (Is "instinct" the equivalent to "controlling will"?)  One must also be aware that there is the possibility of deception when in a situation involving another, for the "Deceiver" himself could be "deceiving" himself(s) by the unlikely possibility of such things as multiple personalities and other "mental states" or causes for uncertainties in a current or pending situation....  It ***may*** NEVER happen in one's lifetime(s), but there is no expectation(s) that it would(n't) not happen either.... 
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Awareness of the waking life is definately to be the key, testing, reading, and judging thru the insticts of another person's body language and/or behaviour to be the temporary foundation for trust, **if** the intents are perceived to be of a harmless or positive nature....  THEN perhaps there would be the possibility to "go with the flow" or "hush and be still" with one's eyes open and very aware --but not necessarily....  For someone else that is with you *could* go against their "yeilding to surrenderment" and perceive something that you yourself missed in the evaluation/reading of a certain circumstance....  To which further "going against the flow" of ensuing "tests" would be necessary for further evaluation....  Or perhaps it would be time in decision to fully trust the "instincts" of another and turn-tail of the situation and flee from it in an appropriate manner of context.... 
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NOW, I am not at ALL implying that EVERYONE is like this at all, but the bad seeds with bad intentions are the ones that ruin it for all.... 
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SkorpivoMusterion said:

You do not feel feelings, think thoughts, or sense sensations any more than you hear hearing, see sight, or smell smelling.

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