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OfflineDroz
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All the thoughts... feelings of...
    #792775 - 08/02/02 03:53 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

All these thoughts on god, all the good ideas, all the thoughts of enlightenment... could this just be our imagination at work? May seem real.. but how real is it? Thinking you have found truth when it is only being played out in ur mind. Not saying it is a bad thing.. The feeling of understanding more and more is great! Believing in the stuff you imagine is a different thing. More like holding on to that idea... Let go of it all. Thinking you know the truth can change you. Thinking that you know there is no truth can make the open thoughts keep flowing. Keep them flowing!


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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Droz]
    #792827 - 08/02/02 04:21 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Change your thoughts and change your world!

Who Walks the World With Soul Awake

Who walks the world with soul awake
Finds beauty everywhere;
Though labor be his portion,
Though sorrow be his share,
He looks beyond the obscuring clouds,
Sure that the light is there!

And if, the ills of mortal life
Grown heavier to bear,
Doubt come with its perplexities
And whisper of despair,
He turns with love to suffering men ~
And, lo! God, too, is there.

~ Florence Earle Coates

Perchance you may be dreaming and nothing is truly real. Wouldn?t you
rather have a pleasant, mirth filled dream state as opposed to one filled
with pain and suffering?



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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
    #792850 - 08/02/02 04:31 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I have witnessed the presense of these archetypes relating to 'seeing GOD' while on shrooms. I for one have 'seen God' and later found that others who have done mushrooms have also. I believe that this prooves that what was 'seen' was the real thing because we all have seen it ourselves and believe it to be so. This is the closest we will be able to proove there is anything really there.

I am God, and I know I exist. I think therefore I am. We were created from God's image- we are fragmented parts of God.



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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Murex]
    #792864 - 08/02/02 04:38 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Some have seen God while taking mushrooms.
Some have seen God while not taking mushrooms.

Some haven't seen God while taking mushrooms.
Some haven't seen God while not taking mushrooms.

1. Do the mushrooms really have anything to do with seeing God?

2. If mushrooms can't make everyone who takes them see God, then doesn't it follow that seeing God has to do with the individual?

They're just questions.


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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Sclorch]
    #792901 - 08/02/02 05:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

1. I don't know. Needs to be more definative.

2. Yes. Idiots who take mushrooms don't see God because they can't comprehend anything beyond their own self. They don't question reality, they accept it.


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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Murex]
    #792902 - 08/02/02 05:04 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Idiots who take mushrooms don't see God because they can't comprehend anything beyond their own self. They don't question reality, they accept it.

What about non-idiots who take mushrooms? Why don't they all see god?


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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: ]
    #792922 - 08/02/02 05:19 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Why don't all the people who visit Universal Studios go on Back to the Future?


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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Murex]
    #793228 - 08/02/02 08:02 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I posed this question to mjshroomer, probably the most experienced shroomer on this site:

Cool interview, John. As you are probably the most experienced shroomer here, I would like to hear your take on entity contact as a purely internal state vs. connecting to another plane of reality.

His reply : "Nerve synapsis."

This guy paints UFOS, aliens and other esoterica and he believes it is all an internal mindplay.





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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: ]
    #793233 - 08/02/02 08:05 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

What about non-idiots who take mushrooms? Why don't they all see god?

That is the beauty of these derogatory circular statements made by the likes of Murex. If you don't see God (as he proclaims) ergo you are an idiot.


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OfflineMurex
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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Swami]
    #793402 - 08/02/02 10:06 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

WTF????


Uh, NO that's not what I said.


Is it that time of the month for you Swami?



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What if all the world you think you know,
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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Murex]
    #793452 - 08/02/02 10:33 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Murex: Idiots who take mushrooms don't see God because they can't comprehend anything beyond their own self. They don't question reality, they accept it.
This sure sounds like the equivalent to this:
Swami: If you don't see God (as he proclaims) ergo you are an idiot.

If you didn?t mean this, then all you have to do is rephrase your statement. Everyone is allowed to edit their statements, you don?t have to stand firm with something you didn?t mean. Don?t take any of this personally.


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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Sclorch]
    #793472 - 08/02/02 10:53 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Read it carfully......

Idiots ::pause:: who take mushrooms ::pause:: don't see God because they can't comprehend anything beyond their own self. They don't question reality, they accept it.

I'm saying that IDIOTS who take mushrooms.....blahblahblah...
NOT: If you don't see God while on mushrooms, you are an idiot.





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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Swami]
    #793522 - 08/03/02 01:10 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

This guy paints UFOS, aliens and other esoterica and he believes it is all an internal mindplay.

Mjshroomer says it's so, so it MUST be true.
The Church says it's so, so it MUST be true.
The government says it's so, so it MUST be true.
EXPERTS AGREE. EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONTROL.


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OfflineShroomalicious
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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Droz]
    #793597 - 08/03/02 03:11 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I totally agree Droz...to settle on a belief is most dangerous!


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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Adamist]
    #794078 - 08/03/02 10:51 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Mjshroomer says it's so, so it MUST be true.

Absolutely not. It was just another opinion. Don't read things that aren't there. You should possibly ask to clarify.

However; a world traveller has seen and done more than someone who has only travelled from Cleveland to Cincinatti. A person who has tripped 500 times is likely to have more perspective than someone who has tripped only once.

All that aside, why have you not posted a similar rebuttal when someone quotes McKenna or some other expert as backing for their point of view? Your misplaced indignation is hardly consistent with past (non)actions.


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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Murex]
    #794089 - 08/03/02 10:57 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

OK then, to reclarify please show the study linking IQ and the likelihood of seeing God while tripping. I would find it most interesting.

BTW could you stop by the store and pick me up some Maxi-Pads?


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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Swami]
    #794464 - 08/03/02 03:42 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

::Sigh:: Find it yourself Swami. Just because you dont understand what I said and think I said something totally different, doesn't mean I have to make sure you understand before I look like a dumb-ass for you not understanding and saying what I said was something else.

If you don't understand the above statement, let me put it into simpler words-
Stop being a dick and shut the fuck up.





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Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Murex]
    #794521 - 08/03/02 04:32 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

After the usual non-response, followed by noise, followed by an insult. How rare! How quaint!

OK, in simple words: there is no study. You just made the whole statement up on the spot based on nothing at all. Thank you for sharing that keen insight.

100% enlightenment = Ego death (one with god). I'm heading in that direction...

So you are heading towards the ultimate oneness while stressing separateness. Is that working for you?


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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Swami]
    #794777 - 08/03/02 08:44 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Shut the fuck up. I don't really feel like dealing with someone like you.





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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Murex]
    #794780 - 08/03/02 08:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Read my sig!


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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Swami]
    #794889 - 08/03/02 10:40 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

why have you not posted a similar rebuttal when someone quotes McKenna or some other expert as backing for their point of view?

Well, let me think about this honestly. When someone makes a statement like "alien experiences, UFO encounters, etc is all internal mindplay, it can't be real" I am annoyed that someone seems to be totally closing themselves off to the possibility that these types of things are in fact real. From what I've read of McKenna, he doesn't say one thing or another is definately true, but rather entertains a wide variety of *possibilities* (the key word).

I agree that someone who has more experience will generally have more insight and knowledge in those areas, but this does not mean that they know for sure what is true or not.


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Re: All the thoughts... feelings of... [Re: Adamist]
    #795233 - 08/04/02 08:23 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Last time I checked, McKenna's books weren't free. No one here is putting a price tag on their words. Also, if my memory serves me correctly, Swami isn't an absolutist... so the whole "closed off to the possibility" argument holds no water.

Of course, this is probably just bullshit "skeptic" talk.....


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