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For Atheists...
    #5889134 - 07/22/06 10:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

What brought you to Atheism?


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It provides for all people
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Re: For Atheists... [Re: Cracka_X]
    #5889160 - 07/22/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

God, though I don't consider myself Atheist.


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Re: For Atheists... [Re: Fractalated]
    #5889338 - 07/22/06 11:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Isn't a somewhat more natural inquiry one which seeks the (faulty) origin of theism in a theist? Asking 'atheists' from where their lack of belief originates is akin to requesting of an asexual creature how it chose to not reproduce through sex. Perhaps I'm biased, but a lack of belief appears to me as the simplest interpretation of observations and experiences within our world.

As an aside, many so-called atheists do not find it necessary to refer to themselves as such simply because it calls undue attention to the fact that others happen to believe in a deity. Atheists, being free from the burden of proof, have no real cause for a label of that sort. If only all would-be atheists were deserving of simply being called 'rational' or 'conscious'.

For now, we're just brights.


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Re: For Atheists... [Re: cloudtop]
    #5889417 - 07/23/06 12:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

OK well first of all what is your definition of Atheist?
Atheist- no belief of ANY god/ high power or worshiping
Agnostic- not confirming or denying god exists, or worshiping
There are many types of Agnosticism.
I believe in agnostic atheism...  can say for sure what is what but most likely there isn't a god. But I follow many Buddhist ways of thought. I believe there are to many different religions for any one to be the "ONLY RIGHT ONE" my dad is Jehovah's whiteness and I am and anthropologist. The mix was in interesting conversation :smile: I was religious in school because "that's what you were supposed to do" but always questioned it because of my meditation practices and intuitions.


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Re: For Atheists... [Re: Cracka_X]
    #5889432 - 07/23/06 12:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Lots of unanwsered questions.


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Re: For Atheists... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5889554 - 07/23/06 01:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Basically what Mushman said. That and the faith that there are more intelligent answers out there.


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Re: For Atheists... [Re: Phishe]
    #5889633 - 07/23/06 02:36 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Did the design design itself or was there a designer of the design, acutually I don't

lean one way or the other, I'm bipartial to all, why, because one must

remove emotion from reason, alot peoples beliefs aren't based on

cultural seperation and unbiased observation, for me assume one way or the other has no point because I truly don't care,

why do people care and debate views, find one that works for you, dogma to me is arbitrary as a tool for the preceiver to preceive..


Edited by capliberty (07/23/06 02:38 AM)


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Re: For Atheists... [Re: capliberty]
    #5889638 - 07/23/06 02:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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capliberty said:
Did the design design itself or was there a designer of the design, acutual I don't

lean one way or the other, I'm bipartial to all, why, because one must

remove emotion from reason, alot peoples beliefs aren't based on

cultural seperation and unbiased observation, for me assume one way or the other has no point because I truly don't care,

why do people care and debate views, find one that works for you, dogma to me is arbitrary as a tool for the preceiver to preceive..




I think it's important to gain knowledge about the beliefs of others.


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Re: For Atheists... [Re: Cracka_X]
    #5889788 - 07/23/06 06:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Cracka_X said:
What brought you to Atheism?




as much as others will try to apply logic to this and say this is not a fair question, this question does hit a spot in human nature.

People, as much as they think they are logical don't chose beliefs that are logical, but those that fit them better

Take a look at what atheism offers that even you might like, and that's your answer

I'm not an atheist, but I think the pluses of atheism are obvious:

-first of all, the number one reason is sexual freedom.
There is nothing above mans urge to screw someone or something, and you can get a person to do anything and believe in anything if you appeal to his sexual urges.
-There are no standards to which you have to behave and think other than those you accept yourself or are enforced to by by guns.
-it does not require any kind of understanding or thinking: you are an animal, there is no god, period, no deeper philosophy in it.
-human life is a coincidence, therefore people hold no responsibility to do or be anything, they can just sit around all day and do nothing, or eat till they get 200kg, it doesn't matter, because the universe does not care wheather they are here or not.

Atheism is a much more pleasant view on life...well, until someone dies..  :tongue2:


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Re: For Atheists... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5889797 - 07/23/06 06:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
Lots of unanwsered questions.




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Re: For Atheists... [Re: Cracka_X]
    #5889974 - 07/23/06 09:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Cracka_X said:
What brought you to Atheism?




At a very early age I realized that reindeer can't fly and rabbits don't lay eggs. From there it was quite easy to realize that a super duper magic friend probably didn't exist. That and the fact that there are hundreds of groups arguing for hundreds of different gods and that only one can be correct and almost certainly none are. That and the fact that it is utterly useless (i.e. no predicive value) and almost always harmful to believe in this super duper magic friend.


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Re: For Atheists... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5889985 - 07/23/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Whether God exists or not is irrelevant, BUT magic is real. We are beings with a foot in each world...the physical and the non-physical.


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Re: For Atheists... [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5890082 - 07/23/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not an atheist, but I think the pluses of atheism are obvious:

-first of all, the number one reason is sexual freedom.
There is nothing above mans urge to screw someone or something, and you can get a person to do anything and believe in anything if you appeal to his sexual urges.

-There are no standards to which you have to behave and think other than those you accept yourself or are enforced to by by guns.

-it does not require any kind of understanding or thinking: you are an animal, there is no god, period, no deeper philosophy in it.

-human life is a coincidence, therefore people hold no responsibility to do or be anything, they can just sit around all day and do nothing, or eat till they get 200kg, it doesn't matter, because the universe does not care wheather they are here or not.





One can have standards without believing in a supernatural deity.  This argument against atheism/agnosticism is tired and old.  Ethical standards, personal responsibility, compassion, love, ambition, philosophy, meaningfulness, philanthropy, self-discipline, are all independent of the fear and worship of G-O-D.

All the behaviors you attribute to atheism are regularly practiced by those who call themselves believers.  How is their professed belief in God preventing their animal nature from running wild?  Or is the argument here that true believers never misbehave, due to their heartfelt faith in an all-loving, vengeful father figure?

I am more agnostic than atheist, as I believe it is impossible to either prove OR disprove the existence of supernatural beings.

I have not seen nor experienced any evidence of the existence of the Christian God, but leave open the possibility that a conscious energy empowers and enlivens the Universe.

It seems highly unlikely to me that this energy is concerned with our choice of sexual partners, overconsumption of food, or candidate for President.  :rolleyes:


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Re: For Atheists... [Re: Veritas]
    #5890150 - 07/23/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"It seems highly unlikely to me that this energy is concerned with our choice of sexual partners, overconsumption of food, or candidate for President."

You mean George Bush wasn't chosen by God?


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Re: For Atheists... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5890153 - 07/23/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

He was chosen by a 7 foot tall rabbit named Harvey.  :tongue:


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Re: For Atheists... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5890262 - 07/23/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
You mean George Bush wasn't chosen by God?



He had to be. He sure wasn't chosen by the people.


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Re: For Atheists... [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5890346 - 07/23/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Your description of Atheism sounds quite a bit more like nihilism.

Here's an enjoyable little snippet from our good ole' pal Watts

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Now, when we get to that point in Buddhism, Buddhists do a funny thing, which is going to occupy our attention for a good deal of this seminar. They don't fall down and worship. They don't really have any name for what it is that is, really and basically. The idea of anatman, of non-self, is applied in Buddhism not only to the individual ego, but also to the notion that there is a self of the universe, a kind of impersonal or personal god, and so it is generally supposed that Buddhism is generally atheistic. It's true, depending on what you mean by atheism. Common or garden atheism is a form of belief, namely that I believe there is no god--and Hans Enkel[?] is its prophet. (I'm speaking of a famous atheist). The atheist positively denies the existence of any god. All right. Now, there is such an atheist, if you put dash between the 'a' and 'theist,' or speak about something called 'atheos'--'theos' in Greek means 'god'--but what is a non-god? A non-god is an inconceivable something or other.




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Re: For Atheists... [Re: Silversoul]
    #5890380 - 07/23/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
You mean George Bush wasn't chosen by God?



He had to be. He sure wasn't chosen by the people.




Oh no? Too bad I saw two elections he won. Try not to pollute this thread and forum with bullshit you can't get away with at PA&L.


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Re: For Atheists... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5890384 - 07/23/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hmmmmmmmmm....didn't he actually lose the popular vote in 2000?


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Re: For Atheists... [Re: Fractalated]
    #5890395 - 07/23/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Which is not how presidential elections are determined in this country and he did win it in 2004. I will no longer respond to this here. It belongs in PA&L, where it gets clobbered by adults. If you want to continue this do it there.


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