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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: ]
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MM, are you talking about buttonion's "existence" thread?? And if so, don't post your evidence until I get a chance to read it and see if I can figure it out, if you don't mind. Maybe just until this afternoon?


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: Frog]
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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: ]
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Okay, I haven't read the "existence" thread yet, but I think I see what you are talking about, and I don't think it's correct. But let me tell you what I think you're talking about first (after reading another thread, I think "Public Announcement")...

I found a nice discussion on how Godel's Theorum supports the existence of God. I, personally, agree that God exists, and I find valid the author's statements. However, Godel's theorum still doesn't absolutely prove that God exists. At the very least, the Theorum requires a huge leap in rational analysis.

I agree that the human mind can't possibly know all things. This means that there are things that may appear irrational and/or illogical to the human mind, that we can not understand, but that are not necessarily untrue simply because of our failure to be able to understand them.

But that also doesn't necessarily mean that those things are true! Godel's Theorum simply states "there are true statements in number theory, and by extension, any high-level formal system (e.g. logic), that cannot be known within the system." (Link below.)

There may be a God, or there may be aliens, or there may be nothing. We don't know! But just because we don't know what we don't know doesn't mean that those of us who believe in God, must be right!

God didn't leave us with a whole lot of physical proof, because He expects us to believe, based on simple "faith". How easy to believe if we have absolute proof! I guess you'd call it a little test, eh?

http://www.weichbrodt.org/text/godelmetalogic.html


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: Frog]
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I thought they were going to do something like that at first. But, after assesing Ped's position, i'm skeptical of it.
If it was me, i would've gone all "godel,escher and bach" on everybody. But that's just me.


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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: Frog]
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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: David_Scape]
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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: ]
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Mr_Mushrooms said:
There are articles of religious faith that cannot be proved or disproved by science and/or philosophy. Moreover, a distinction can be found between a theological God and a God derived at by natural examination, i.e. natural theology, a branch of philosophy.

In this proof I discovered we are concerning ourselves with God as an exnihilating preservative factor, not a God who forgives sin. And if you are thinking about introducing the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox into this discussion, don't. We are not at that point yet.


I take it that is a hint? Is that what I should be reading next? The Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox.


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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: Frog]
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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: ]
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Okay, I promise not to do another thing until I read buttonion's thread.  It's so difficult to refer to him as "buttonion" and keep a straight face.  :oogle:


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! *DELETED* [Re: ]
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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: ]
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A frog are a funny sort of bird.
Him don't hops, him sits.
And when him don't sits,
Him goes "tweet, tweet, tweet".


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: ]
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peace with the MM man has been made. Even though I am skeptical about what he will prove.

Mr.Mushrooms

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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: ]
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There's no reason to get worked up over this...

Do you have any weed handy? Now would be a good time to smoke some.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! *DELETED* [Re: Evolving]
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Re: I have philosophical evidence for the existence of God! [Re: ]
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MM, which definition of God will you be addressing in your attempt to prove the existence of God?


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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