mozhual said:

You act like human beings would just naturally be slaughtering each other if it weren't for religion, when most available data shows that religion in groups tends to do the exact opposite to outsiders.

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Yes but humans spread the memes. The memes are simply the information that is transferring... so yes you can say that any concept at all isa meme housed in a skull... it doesnt matter. What matters is how the memes survive and spread, and a point I was trying to make is that they spread from people with influence and knowledge. Memes don't just randomly flutter around. They rely in factors such as language, familiarity of concept (receptibility), and integration into existing social knowledge.

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I think you are imagining too much of a modern day situation. As with the parts of your post that I did not quote, I respond that you are taking into consideration a bunch of memes that have spread only in the last few hundred years, because of the increasing influence of atheistic noblemen/influential persons.

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mozhual said:

Memes and genes are practically synonymous hence the similar pronunciations/spellings.

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atheism is not a 'non belief'. it is a belief that there is no appropriate description of god to believe in. It is often a belief also that the universe is an accident, big bang, etc.

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OrgoneConclusion said:

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atheism is not a 'non belief'. it is a belief that there is no appropriate description of god to believe in. It is often a belief also that the universe is an accident, big bang, etc.

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Do you just make this stuff up? Look up the Greek root of the word. Being 'without belief' is not a belief no matter how often it is stated as some sort of 'system'.

Babies are without belief in God and yet are likely to believe in The Big Bang? Is this a joke? Modern Atheism goes back to the 1800s. They also believed in the Big Bang?

Projecting and commingling is not thinking critically. Start over and try again.

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The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), meaning "without gods"

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Etymology
French athéisme, from athée (“‘atheist’”), from Ancient Greek ἄθεος (atheós), “‘godless’”) < from ἀ- (a-), “‘without’”) + θεός (theos), “‘deity, god’”).

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Origin:
1580–90; < Gk áthe(os) godless + -ism
Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009.

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[French athéisme, from athée, atheist, from Greek atheos, godless : a-, without; see  a-1 + theos, god; see  dhēs- in Indo-European roots.]

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Icelander said:

describe exactly what "belief in god" is

I'm interested in your opinion.

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mozhual said:

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The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), meaning "without gods"

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-wikipedia

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Etymology
French ath�isme, from ath�e (��atheist��), from Ancient Greek ἄθεος (athe�s), ��godless��) < from ἀ- (a-), ��without��) + θεός (theos), ��deity, god��).

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- Wiktionary

And these from Dictionary.com

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Origin:
1580�90; < Gk �the(os) godless + -ism
Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, � Random House, Inc. 2009.

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[French ath�isme, from ath�e, atheist, from Greek atheos, godless : a-, without; see  a-1 + theos, god; see  dhēs- in Indo-European roots.]

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Just because a few religions have hijacked the word, distorting it from its true meaning and making it derogatory, does not mean we have to put up with that falsified definition.

God is first and for most a belief.

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pragmatic atheist

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Funny you should mention that, and I know by now you are tired of me talking about Dennett, but he proposes, since pragmatic atheists are almost always just refered to as atheists, that we should give them a new name; Brights. If you so choose to know more, you know where to find it

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On the other hand, I also gain meaning by contemplating all accessible belief systems and how I stand in relation to them. I like to think about what God would think of my actions? What about Allah? Yaweh? how far has my spirit progressed through reincarnations? What would Enki, Anu and Enlil think about the human race, let alone me? Do I have the potential to become a warrior spirit and dine in heaven? Am I going to be part of some sick game when its all over?

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