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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Swami]
    #2206124 - 12/28/03 07:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Things were happening as if God was (is) taking care of me, providing me with things I need.

And this is observed after-the-fact, i.e. things have gone fairly well for you. But what if one of your children died and you got disbarred, would you still feel the same way? Why do you believe that God favors you more than others who are not "taken care of"?




Ah, but YOU don't know what has happened to me! And I'm not going to say. But within 2 months, lots of bad things happened, about a year and 3/4 ago. Changed my whole life, and the way I see things.

It's a result of all the bad things that happened that caused me to realize that God is taking care of me, that there is more to the universe than meets the eye. There are spirits that are helping us. We can't see them. Something like that.

I'm no more special than anyone else. Maybe what happened to me was equivalent to one of you doing shrooms. It knocked my consciousness to a different level, a different way of seeing things. I don't see things the way I used to any more.


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2206159 - 12/28/03 07:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So why are we skipping all these valuable steps and ascending?


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Frog]
    #2206170 - 12/28/03 07:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ah, but YOU don't know what has happened to me!
Fair enough, but I know that you are healthy, your kids are healthy, have a good job and live in one of the wealthiest areas in the wealthiest country in the world. You are "blessed". Would you honestly feel the same if everything were taken away?

It's a result of all the bad things that happened that caused me to realize that God is taking care of me,
Somehow I don't think of those people who lost loved ones in Iraq and those unemployed and unable to provide for their families feel that God is "helping" them.

There are spirits that are helping us. We can't see them.
If there is no evidence of help and we are unable to perceive them, I don't see how anyone can say that they exist.

I'm no more special than anyone else.
Spirits have never helped me, so you are at least more special than I am.  :wink:

I don't see things the way I used to any more.
A paradigm shift is more an indicator of maturity than it is of any metaphysical reality.


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Swami]
    #2206223 - 12/28/03 08:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Fair enough, but I know that you are healthy, your kids are healthy, have a good job and live in one of the wealthiest areas in the wealthiest country in the world. You are "blessed". Would you honestly feel the same if everything were taken away?





Well, can't things be relative?  I would say that for living in (I think it is, anyways) the wealthiest county in California, I did lose everything!  And yes, I have my my health, my kids are healthy, etc.  That's more important to me than anything I lost, but I lost, literally, everything.  I know what you are saying.  I had this argument with someone once before. 

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Somehow I don't think of those people who lost loved ones in Iraq and those unemployed and unable to provide for their families feel that God is "helping" them.




Well, maybe they don't know how to look.  And sometimes things happen for a reason.  Do I want to be them?  No.  If I had to be them, though, I hope I would suffer in dignity, if that's possible.  I guess what I'm saying is I would hope I could put my money where my mouth is.  Something like that.  Why am I poor here in the U.S.A.?  Why aren't I poor in Iraq?  Or in any 3rd world country?  Things happen for a reason. 

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If there is no evidence of help and we are unable to perceive them, I don't see how anyone can say that they exist.



Edgar Cayce gave excellent evidence of a spirit world.

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Spirits have never helped me, so you are at least more special than I am.  :wink:



Okay, God loves me more than He loves you.  Sorry.  Sucks to be you, I guess.

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A paradigm shift is more an indicator of maturity than it is of any metaphysical reality.



Yes, true, but I still had a shift in consciousness.  I was knocked out of my immediate world and able to see that there is a spirit world, and that God really does exist, and actually does help us.  I was able to look back over my entire life and see where God was helping me, and even directing my actions.  I've seen so many signs leading up until this "paradigm shift" and since then that I would be a fool to disregard what I learned.


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Frog]
    #2206254 - 12/28/03 08:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, God loves me more than He loves you. Sorry. Sucks to be you, I guess.

*choking* LOL!

No pity party here, babe. I like being me, but I do it without helper spirits is all.


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Swami]
    #2206268 - 12/28/03 08:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Frog:  Okay, God loves me more than He loves you. Sorry. Sucks to be you, I guess.

Swami:*choking* LOL!

No pity party here, babe. I like being me, but I do it without helper spirits is all.




If you knew me in real life, you would say that God was very smart to provide me with helper spirits.  :nut:


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Frog]
    #2206328 - 12/28/03 09:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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If you knew me in real life, you would say that God was very smart to provide me with helper spirits.  :nut:




If you guys knew her in real life, you'd say that God had better provide those helper spirits with a lot of help of their own.  I still wouldn't be surprised if I woke up someday with a white streak in my hair from this fucker. :laugh:


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Renegade8]
    #2206334 - 12/28/03 09:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hyuck, hyuck, hyuck.


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Swami]
    #2207246 - 12/29/03 09:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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A paradigm shift is more an indicator of maturity than it is of any metaphysical reality.




:thumbup:

Everything happens for a reason because we take what has happened and put meaning in it. We have some hardship happen; learn something from it, and then just "know" that it happened for us to learn that.... well, I don't really think it happened FOR us to learn this, or that it actually happened for a reason, it just happened.
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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2207260 - 12/29/03 10:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Something may happen for no apparant reason, but may still shift the consciousness into a different way of thinking, a different way of seeing.

Well, it did for me. So either I'm crazy, or my reality shifted and I'm experiencing a different reality, regardless of what caused it.


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Frog]
    #2207347 - 12/29/03 11:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The beauty of it all tho, is that it doesn't matter what or who says what is what or which is which, or who believes in such and so on...what your reality consists of is largely up to you. It's just a shame some people dont use this to the best of their advantage...I DO believe that there IS one ultimate truth. But again, this is MY belief. Belief is the keyword here. But I will tell you this, PART of my belief is the belief that you DO manifest your own reality--to whatever extent the depth of your psyche you can hack into...so to speak.

So, in other words...We all swim in the same pool...but we all choose our own floatational devices. And for those who dont "believe" in personal flotation devices, well...it's only a matter of time till their muscles cramp up and tire of swimming...and drown.
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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2207379 - 12/29/03 11:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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PART of my belief is the belief that you DO manifest your own reality--to whatever extent the depth of your psyche you can hack into...so to speak.

So, in other words...We all swim in the same pool...but we all choose our own floatational devices. And for those who dont "believe" in personal flotation devices, well...it's only a matter of time till their muscles cramp up and tire of swimming...and drown.
:wink:




Um, that's exactly what I was thinking!  :wink:

Very well said, Skorpivo.


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Frog]
    #2207460 - 12/29/03 12:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Something may happen for no apparant reason, but may still shift the consciousness into a different way of thinking, a different way of seeing. 

Well, it did for me.  So either I'm crazy, or my reality shifted and I'm experiencing a different reality, regardless of what caused it.




Meaning is implied. Your consciousness may have shifted. But this all happened within your mind. You had an experience that provoked thoughts that you usually do not dwell on, you saw things from a new perspective. Like Swami said, a paradigm shift.

But should a belief that this happened for a reason other than the obvious one be made? What is the point of making that belief? Isn't it enough to develop an understanding of the way the mind works and why that experience brought forth the changes it did in you, and to not bring in an unknown into the equation when it isn't needed anyways?

I mean, I respect people and their beliefs; the experiences and thoughts they had make it so that they would hold such a belief, but I am also one to challenge and ask and insert new thoughts.

Do you have a good sound system? Put on TOOL's Disposition and then Reflection. Hehe, then listen to the whole Lateralus cd, start to finish. If you haven't had this experience before, with minimal distractions, then I beg you to do so.  :thumbup: What does this have to do with any of this? Could be nothing, could be everything... (could be that I am just listening to it right now and I love it  :tongue:)
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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2207501 - 12/29/03 12:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Meaning is implied. Your consciousness may have shifted. But this all happened within your mind. You had an experience that provoked thoughts that you usually do not dwell on, you saw things from a new perspective. Like Swami said, a paradigm shift.

Well, of course it happened in my mind. Where else do we formulate thoughts about our reality? And isn't that why each individual's reality is different from every other person's reality, is because of the way our minds process information?

But what if there is more to be processed than that which is readily observable?

But should a belief that this happened for a reason other than the obvious one be made? What is the point of making that belief? Isn't it enough to develop an understanding of the way the mind works and why that experience brought forth the changes it did in you, and to not bring in an unknown into the equation when it isn't needed anyways?

What is the "obvious one"? What is the "unknown"? I didn't intend to have the "awakening" or whatever you want to call it. It was a cool sort of ... um ... I don't know what to call them. Mind dramas?

Okay, I sort of have to talk about this from a personal perspective in order to tell you what I mean. First, the divorce and a whole bunch of other stuff that all happened within 2 months. My mind was screaming from the mental chaos that was resulting.

Out of the blue, one day, I believe I had a revelation as to
how to handle everything. (This all started about a year and 3/4 ago, and everything has come to pass as predicted, btw.) I immediately calmed down, but because of that revelation, I started looking into how life works and why.

I found a book and something in it caused me to realize that God has been looking out for me all along, and I was able to look back over my life and events "popped out" at me, where I realized that God had been putting "signs" to get my attention.

It's a very different way of looking at life. Forget the reason it came about, but that it came about at all is really cool. It's a different way of seeing things. Almost like seeing things in a different dimension. I'm not looking at the obvious any more.

I mean, I respect people and their beliefs; the experiences and thoughts they had make it so that they would hold such a belief, but I am also one to challenge and ask and insert new thoughts.

Cool. Always question.

Do you have a good sound system? Put on TOOL's Disposition and then Reflection. Hehe, then listen to the whole Lateralus cd, start to finish. If you haven't had this experience before, with minimal distractions, then I beg you to do so. What does this have to do with any of this? Could be nothing, could be everything... (could be that I am just listening to it right now and I love it )

Not that I would ever bootleg anything, but can TOOL be found on imesh or kazaa???


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Frog]
    #2207528 - 12/29/03 01:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well, TOOL can be found anywhere... Maynard is more likely to be the one God than God himself is.... :grin:

There could likely be more to be processed, but, I mean, we aren't privelged to it, and we shouldn't jump to conclusions...

As far as looking back from that perspective and everything, was it really God? Or was it you thinking from a new perspective and seeing all of the things that would have been obvious from this new perspective, if you would have had it back then? I mean, could it just be a feeling that we want to feel?

I mean, I don't know, I couldn't even begin to question what others think, their experiences and what they felt... but I mean, I don't know. hehe.

Well, I mean, it just depends on how you want to look at it. However, I do know that you will see what you want to see, people who think that there is a secret organization trying to control every aspect of life on this Earth tend to see signs of it everywhere, stuff like that....
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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2207538 - 12/29/03 01:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I know what you are saying about people who believe in things like the NWO, and then see sign of it everywhere.  I suppose I could be like one of them, but I refuse to believe that because then that makes me obsessive/compulsive, and I already have enough wrong with my brain, tyvm.  :grin:


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Frog]
    #2207540 - 12/29/03 01:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Isn't there anyone here who has had a similar experience?


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #10384954 - 05/23/09 04:52 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Shroomism, This is awesome! I fully believe that. I year or 2 ago i saw a video on utube of some presentation. It was a closed presentation but someone was filming it secretly i think. This guy had a book with his story and pictures that a friend gave him before passin away. I cant remember it all really good but the pictures were amazing. IThere were some where they had taken him back in time and he got pictures of a dinosaur and a bunch of plants. There was a picture of the earth with 2 moons (which they said we used to have) then there were a bunch of pictures of shit like space ships orbiting jupiter n shit with american flags on them.... this was back in the day.
The pictures were really old and not in color. They were to good to be hoaxes back then.. lol no photoshop.. or computers really.

BUT. In the story he told of how the aliens taught him about the seven steps of evolution. I think its pretty cool how some guy way back in the day told people about this.
thanks for posting that.


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Cubie]
    #10385023 - 05/23/09 05:33 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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They were to good to be hoaxes back then.. lol no photoshop.. or computers really.




Ah yes, the infamous Argument from Incredulity. Does anyone here actually study logic or learn from other poster's errors?

Look up the Cottingly Fairie Hoax and report back on its relevance. Will you do that?


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10385040 - 05/23/09 05:43 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Is this really what the dead sea scrolls say?

http://www.ivantic.net/Billy%20Meier/The%20Talmud%20of%20Jmmanuel.pdf

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pictures of planets and space and space ships are a lil different then some chicks that had some dolls or something. There were pictures of the earth from orbit before we even went into space :p I wish i could find that video, it was pretty cool.
My point was about how he talked about the seven steps of evolution. Its not something you hear alot.


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