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The Seven Steps of Human Evolution
    #1239305 - 01/22/03 10:58 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

As described in The Pleiadian Mission by Randolph Winters.
I made a thread about this a while ago but it was deleted with my old posts. So here it is again for questions brought up in the thread Humans with no Souls.


Human evolution follows a specific pattern which can be divided into seven steps with each step having seven levels.

We begin as a spirit with no memories or experience, only the knowledge of being connected with Creation. We have no experience with physical reality and only know how to exist as a spiritual being.

Step 1- Beginning Life

1. These are the first material lives on Earth. The human form is nothing more than a spirit-form trying to develop its intellect. There is no accumulated knowledge from previous lives, only the intellect of the spirit which has not lived in a body before and can barely take care of itself, for it has no understanding of the material worlds at this time. All humans look the same at this point since our facial expression, bodies, color, etc, are expressions of experiences, wisdom, emotions, and ego that we have not yet developed. Our lives are short, as our spirits have very low energy to sustain the material existence. We also die young due to poor health.

2. Through numerous lifetime we begin to think and provide wisdom to the spirit. The process of evolution has begun. Simple-minded, we can barely feed oursevles and sustain life.

3. We can now think and reason a little better. We have lived many brief lives and are starting to build intelligence from the experiences of previous lives. We are 20 to 30 million years old at this point. The counting of age begins with the start of the first material lifetime and includes the sleep period on the other side which we call death.

4. We can live longer now, for we are able to feed ourselves, start a fire, and build a shelter. Our accumulated wisdom is providing us with some assistance since our spirit is now beginning to understand the physical existence better, and it can provide the occasional hunch or idea learned from previous lives to help out.

5. We are still very primitive and living in caves. We don't get along with each other, and in our material consciousness we have absolutely no idea why we are here of why we are here. We are trying to develop some more rational thinking patterns, but it's going slow. We can't even understand each other.

6. Rational thinking and understanding are becoming useful in our day-to-day lives. We are starting to understand each other and are starting to work together. Man's appearance is unique, for his body and face are reflecting the experiences and wisdom of his life.

7. Reasoning and rational thinking are now in control of our lives. We can communicate through language, symbols, and signs. We are starting to form communities and learning to get along.

STEP 2- Life with reasoning and Rational thinking.

1. Our ability to reason and solve problems is making a difference. We are still not aware that we are also a spirit-form. We are only beginning to question and look for answers. Life is purely a material existence to us.

2. We are now aware of reasoning and understand its use. We are searching for answers to our existence. Emotions are coming into play as fear, anger, and hostility begin to govern our lives. We all look much different from each other now, for we are noticeable on different paths of discovery and experience. The problems in life are being solved through our reasoning ability, and we now regard ourselves as rational, thinking beings.

3. We are aware that there are powers in the world more advanced than our own and are searching for them. We question the power of the stars, sun, moon, and nature around us. We are unsure of our existence and are looking for meaning to our lives. The moon and the stars puzzle us as we search for answers to their existence.

4. We start to develop belief systems, such as worshipping idols, gods, and the sun, without actually having any knowledge of what we are doing. We are still without knowledge of the spiritual side of life.

5. Superstition, Fear of evil, Veneration of good. Here we see the development of religions, superstition, and gods. Our lack of real knowledge of Creation and fear makes us vulnerable to powers that we don't understand. A good portion of the current mass of humanity is on this level.

6. The first awareness of the meaning of our lives and the real spiritual life, development of the first spiritual cognition and their use. Spiritual healing, telepathy. This is man's first awareness of the spiritual world. He is no longer looking for answers but has no real understanding. It is the beginning of spirit and its uses. The average earthman is at this level. At this point we are around 80 to 100 million years old as spiritual beings.

7. Development of knowledge and wisdom. The mind is developing and our accumulated wisdom from millions of years of lifetimes is creating intellect. Man is becoming aware there is more to life than his brief material existence.

STEP 3- Life with intelligence

1. It is the age of the mind. We can be considered intelligent life forms now. We have broken through the age of ignorance and have advanced well in the sciences. Our awareness of spirit and our connection to creation is stronger, for we are learning to create new foods, crossbreed animals, and are searching for understanding of how life works.

2. We are leaving behind the false thinking of the past. We no longer accept old myths, idols, and false gods. Real intellect and reasoning are providing us with enlightenment.

3. High technology is becoming a part of our world. Genetic engineering has led to the creation of the first life forms. The secrets of the universe are beginning to unfold to us, and man is learning about his place in the scheme of things. This is the present position of the educated Earth human, scientist, etc.

4. Awereness and Utilization of nature's laws. Man is leaving behind the old belief structures and is gaining in wisdom about the universe around him. Here we see develepmont in the sciencesas man learns to understand the forces of nature. There is high technology in the field of genetics as we learn to clone our cells and experiment with different life forms.

5. The use of spiritual forces in life. The development of the spirit is now playing a bigger part in the role of man. We have learned more about the ability of spirit to help us in life and are beginning to solve fewer problems by material means.

6. Understanding life through wisdom, truth, and logic. Man is on the verge of real understanding of Creation and the material universe around him. Contact with higher life forms begins. The spiritual world is now more understood, and the true meaning of life is unfolding. Our existence as part of Creation is becoming clearer, and peace among men is starting as the need for material things slips away.

7- Just a few border and spiritual scientists would be at this level. Awareness of the real meaning of life- Man has a real knowledge of the laws of Creation and how to use them in society. Belief systems and religions are fading away as man develops true understanding of his role in Creation. It is understood that gods are actually human life forms with greater knowledge than most, and we now know that gods are also subject to Creation.

STEP 4- Life with spiritual understanding

1. Clear understanding of the spirit. We are now living in harmony with nature and Creationbecause we have real knowledge about life and spirit. Our thinking is clear, but we have little experience dealing with life using spiritual power.

2. The truth of spiritual knowledge and Wisdom. We have real knowledge of the spiritual forces as we begin to use telepathy, telekenesis, time travel, and control over nature.

3. We now have real knowledge of the spiritual forces as we begin to use telepathy and the other spiritual powers in our day to day lives. Many of our problems are solved with spiritual consciousness rather than material means. Our spiritual self is now understood, and we work with energies of all life forms.

4. Cognition of Creation and its laws. We have come to a personal knwoledge and of our connection with Creation and have a better understanding of the meaning of life and our role within it. The material world is becoming less important to us as we are learning more with our spiritual senses.

5. Living with Creational Laws. The end of the concept of belief. There is a major breakthrough in our development, for now we are living from the Creational Laws and have moved into a time of higher consciousness. We are perceiving life with the higher abilities of spirit instead of the simple material senses of sight, touch, smell, hearing and taste. Our accumulated wisdom from previous lives is being very helpful. Our previous lives and experiences are very clear to us.

6. Controlled utilization of spiritual forces. The power of our spirit is causing us to live longer. Health problems are vanishing because we control our bodies through spiritual balance. We are beginning to develop a society of integrity wherein we can sense each other's emotions and thinking.

7. First ability to Create living creatures. We have developed very high technology and can roam the universe. The knowledge of the material life is ours, and we can create our own life forms to work for us. Our genetic scientists can preserve extinct species by recreating them in the laborotory.

STEP 5- Life with Creational Cognition

1. We can greatly extend the life span to thousands of years through a combination of technology and spiritual power. Our lives are becoming more spiritual than material, for the force of our spirit and our high evolution allow us access to higher forms of consciousness in Creation. The material senses are not playing a big part in gathering the information to form our life experiences, for more of this is being done by the spirit. We are giving advice to other civilizations and helping them with their first steps.

2. Our technical knowledge of the material form allows us to create high forms of life that can be mistaken for human. We are becoming more spiritual begins and spend more time in connection with Creation. Our awareness of the material world is becoming less important to us. Our concerns are for the creation of life and its development.

3. We are beginning to develop the force of our spirit to the point where we can control the forces of nature- levitation of matter, the control of gravity, and electricity. We are starting to look and think more alike, for we have all learned many of the same things.

4. We are becoming less concerned with our material senses as we search for the remaining knowledge of life and spirit. We are becoming masters of the human form.

5. We can control time and space with our spirit and can move through our previous lifetimes. We are becoming masters of the knowledge of human life and its development.

6. We are now masters of the human knowledge. We are still in material form, but have little need for our material senses. We can communicate and experience the world mostly with our spirit. This is the level of a god, a material being that has mastered the knowledge of man, a King of Wisdom. In ancient times gods ruled the Earth and controlled the minds of men. It was believed that they had power over life and death, which is not true, for only Creation has that power. There are no longer any gods ruling over Earth, but many people have not relinquished this ancient concept and taken control of their lives.

7. This is the transition time for the material being. Having evolved through all the stages of development of man, we are ready to transform into a higher consciousness and leave the material plain. We now look very much the same, for we have all assimilated the same knowledge and have arrived at the same level of understanding. We are mostly spiritual, and it shows in our bodies and faces. We are at peace with Creation and live with the complete understanding of love and life.

STEP 6- Life in Spiritual Form

1. The last stage of material life. The experiences that are needed to continue our evolution can no longer be provided by the material senses. We are becoming a pure spiritual form. We are living in harmony with Creation and feel the constant love of eternity.

2. The material body is becoming dysfunctional and serves little purpose anymore. We are interacting almost totally with our spirit. We no longer require sleep or food since we are becoming a pure spiritual form. Our bodies are becoming lighter in weight as the material is fading away.

3. The material body is becoming less dense. It is possible to see right through us because our bodies are becoming more like light. The death cycle has stopped, and we live continuously in this form. Our existence is almost purely spiritual now, and our time is spent in helping with the development of those younger than ourselves. We are taking part in the education and spiritual guidance of those in the material world. We are several billions of years old now.

4. The transition into light body is complete, and we are living our first spiritual existence. Our material body is completely gone and we now exist in a purely spiritual form. We use the accumulated wisdom we have learned to help those younger than ourselves. Our spirit now exists with the constant consciousness of love and understanding for all things. We still have awareness of self and our personality. We are around 70 billion years old as a spirit-form. Billions of more years will be spent as a spiritual being striving for perfection before we transform over into Creation.

5. Millions of years pass as our spiritual self comes together with six other spirits, and we become a collective consciousness comprised of seven spirit-forms. We still have the awareness of self and are actively taking part in the development of human life. This is the same level as Arahat Athersata, the timeless teacher of great masters such as Jmmanuel.

6. This is the last existence of the spiritual self. We are in the last years as a collective consciousness of seven. Our personal identity fades away as we reach the highest level of consciousness called the PETALE LEVEL. Here all collective consciousness come together as one to prepare for the transition to pass over into Creation.

Our evolution as an independant human life form is complete. As part of the highest level of consciousness, the PETALE LEVEL, we will pass over and become part of Creation itself. Here we join up with all of those who have gone before us and become a part of the great eternal knowledge of Creation which provides guidance and love to all things. We have earned this right through billions of years of experience, which has provided us with the complete, accumulated knowledge of all things. We have experienced and completely understood the evolution of a universe.

Step 7 - Life with Creation

1. Our spirit-forms are part of Creation that will sleep for a period of seven greattimes, or an eternity. (311,040,000,000,000 years by our calender) During this time all life and the whole universe ceases to exist. There is no space or time, only the nothingness of sleep. It is not a time for creative thought, but a restful time of cogitation.

2. Creation awakens and starts to create a new universe, just as before. We are now part of a completely new cycle. Our awareness of self is gone, for we are one with eternity now and are contributing to the spiritual knwoledge that guides all.

3. Creation will once again begin its evolutionary cycle by creating living life forms which can contribute to its evolution through wisdom gained from experience. A New Universe will be formed to repeat the cycle of evolution. The energy of the Creation has evolved to a higher level.

4. Creation is constantly improving and creating new spirit-forms. Spirit-forms are small parts of creation that will evolve by becoming material life forms. Creation is constantly starting new spirit-forms throughout the complete cycle of the Material Universe. Even here on Earth new spirit-forms are coming into life. Since they have no accumulated knowledge or intelligence, we will often think of them as idiots or insane. In many cases they are just new spirits who have come into a material world far too advanced for them.

5. It is a part of the function of Creation to continually strive for spiritual greatness by gaining in knowledge. Since the spirit is always awake and never sleeps during a greattime, it is observing and learning at all times. The human form continues to think and provide food for the spirit. Creation is contnuing to strive for perfection in itself in order to become an Ur Universe.

6. Creation can not degenerate. It is always moving forward in its evolution. The same applies to the human spirit-form, for it cannot degenerate either. It is possible to be stagnant or to waste lifetimes without learning anything, but never does the spirit become ill or degenerate. Seven cycles of evolution through the creation of Material Universes will be completed as the energy level of Creation continues to increase.

7. As any Creation reaches the last cycle of its seven periods and has mastered the highest improvement possible, it will transform into an Ur Universe that is capable of creating other Creational Universes such as ours. The energy level of the Ur Universe is so great that it can provide cosmic life force energy to several Creational Universes at one time. Its existence is pure spiritual energy. The cycle of evolution of spiritual energy continues.




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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #1239410 - 01/22/03 11:41 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

this is a nice history lesson :wink:

i think were on the 7th stage of the 3rd level, i think this kind of mirrors our dimension i guess you could say. and that when we get to the 4th then the 4th level will begin, i think it follows something like that anyway.


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1239421 - 01/22/03 11:45 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yep pretty much... from my perception, the 4th dimension would begin at the 4th level, but the 5th dimension would not begin until the 6th level (Spiritual form). Yet the First Level begins in the third dimension, as human consciousness cannot exist any lower than 3rd density. 3rd dimension is a long series of lessons, and so is 4th, but the rate of learning is much, much faster.


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #1239450 - 01/22/03 11:53 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Ehm...let's see. The first three are human, the 4th is the first dimension of spiritual awareness, this continous till the 6th dimension and 7 is divine or divinity, religion and god as you will. The deity issue. Is that correct?
So my answer remains what Boris concerns.


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    #1239485 - 01/22/03 11:59 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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    #1239508 - 01/22/03 12:07 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #1241535 - 01/23/03 04:00 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Hi,
very interesting !
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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Hermes_br]
    #2205335 - 12/28/03 08:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

bump for trendal


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2205444 - 12/28/03 11:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks eh :smile:

Very interesting read!


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2205486 - 12/28/03 12:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Very interesting. Several things I noted:

1. Although this follows human evolution, doesn't it also appear to follow the evolution of human consciousness over a single life-time? (No, not for all humans, of course.)

2. We appear to be at about step 3.

3. This is why I said on another thread that those of us who are spiritually awakening need to wake those still asleep. Give others the knowledge. Of course, whether they want to believe anything or not is up to them. I get a lot of looks of disbelief when I bring these kinds of topics up.

Shroomism, there is something I've been looking for, and I can't remember what it's called. I can't even describe it accurately, because someone told me about it during a conversation, but if this sounds familiar to you (or to anyone here!), could you tell me what it is?

There are different levels, of what I don't remember, maybe consciousness, but it goes like this:

1. ?
2. People
3. Living "things"
4. Nonliving "things"
5. Nothing

Each level knows about itself and the level beneath it, but not about the level above it. Can only guess.

Anyone? Anyone?


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    #2205528 - 12/28/03 01:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

whatever step we may be at, all I know is that it's great to kick back and chill and wonder about things!!! it;s that we have this ability to wonder that I am amused by anything at all :wink:


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2205595 - 12/28/03 01:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Shroomism, that is definitely some intriguing and thought provoking stuff. It has been quite the day today.... things definitely feel different. I like the way of thinking I have been taking on. :grin:
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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Frog]
    #2205728 - 12/28/03 03:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

  1. ?
2. People
3. Living "things"
4. Nonliving "things"
5. Nothing





the order is reversed and its part of a bigger sequence.

I recommend The Pleadian agenda along with the caveat that 90% of it is highly questionable "channeled" :rolleyes: data.

after that, read drunvalo's books.


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    #2205858 - 12/28/03 05:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hey, DoctorJ...

Maybe it was explained to me wrong, but I am absolutely positive about how it was explained.

Everything on the 5th level is aware of itself only, and is aware of being nothing, but is not aware of any of the levels above it.

Everything on the 4th level is aware of itself and of the 5th level, but of nothing on the 3rd, 2nd and 1st level. And so on...

Now, us being on the 4th level, we know of all things below us, but of nothing on the 5th level, which we are all guessing at. Spirits? Aliens? God? Buddha?

But there's more to it, and I can't remember the name of all this. But thank you for the reference and I'll go check that out just in case that that is exactly what I'm talking about.


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    #2205878 - 12/28/03 05:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

well I guess "up" and "down" are pretty relative terms, but I do believe there are quite a few more than 1 levels above the level of humans.


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Frog]
    #2205887 - 12/28/03 05:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I get a lot of looks of disbelief when I bring these kinds of topics up.

Probably because some people ACTUALLY like these cool ideas to be based on something other than a book or website or shroomery message board; a real foundation or basis or someway to affirm said "knowledge".


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Swami]
    #2205901 - 12/28/03 05:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
I get a lot of looks of disbelief when I bring these kinds of topics up.

Probably because some people ACTUALLY like these cool ideas to be based on something other than a book or website or shroomery message board; a real foundation or basis or someway to affirm said "knowledge".




LOL!!!

What, "feelings" don't count??? What about "patterns"???

ROFLMAO!!!


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Frog]
    #2205929 - 12/28/03 05:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Please explain how feelings tell you anything about a fourth or fifth dimension and human spiritual evolution.


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    #2205973 - 12/28/03 06:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Please explain how feelings tell you anything about a fourth or fifth dimension and human spiritual evolution.




Okay, but I'm going to have to ramble a bit.

Things were happening as if God was (is) taking care of me, providing me with things I need. As if maybe He's put spirits here to help me, and I can't see them. So if someone is helping me and I can't see them, there must be a different dimension.

I started reading about Edgar Cayce and his writings. That's pretty strong evidence, I think, for what I believe.

I've intuited much of what I believe, and it's only been since I started thinking about the meaning of life that I've started looking into my beliefs. I'm finding that there are already people out there who have written about what I've only been discovering and thinking about on my own.

I read a forward in a book, once, that reflected what I had been thinking and I thought, "If there's one person who thinks like me, there must be others.

Now look where I am. I'm on a forum where there are quite a few people who think like me. Or, I think like them. There are whole books and web sites devoted to these topics. I've met others who think like me, and lately seems to be a lot.

If I could come up with all this on my own, based on my observations of patterns and weird schitt happening, and it ends up confirmed by others, then there must be something to it. No one told me to believe this way. I didn't read about it and then decide to believe it.

If there are spirits, if there is a different dimension, if God made us in His image, we must be capable of a lot more than what we realize or what we practice.

There. Those are the meanderings of a crazy person. You'll never ask again.


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Frog]
    #2206020 - 12/28/03 06:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Things were happening as if God was (is) taking care of me, providing me with things I need.

And this is observed after-the-fact, i.e. things have gone fairly well for you. But what if one of your children died and you got disbarred, would you still feel the same way? Why do you believe that God favors you more than others who are not "taken care of"?


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: Swami]
    #2206124 - 12/28/03 07:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Things were happening as if God was (is) taking care of me, providing me with things I need.

And this is observed after-the-fact, i.e. things have gone fairly well for you. But what if one of your children died and you got disbarred, would you still feel the same way? Why do you believe that God favors you more than others who are not "taken care of"?




Ah, but YOU don't know what has happened to me! And I'm not going to say. But within 2 months, lots of bad things happened, about a year and 3/4 ago. Changed my whole life, and the way I see things.

It's a result of all the bad things that happened that caused me to realize that God is taking care of me, that there is more to the universe than meets the eye. There are spirits that are helping us. We can't see them. Something like that.

I'm no more special than anyone else. Maybe what happened to me was equivalent to one of you doing shrooms. It knocked my consciousness to a different level, a different way of seeing things. I don't see things the way I used to any more.


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    #2206159 - 12/28/03 07:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So why are we skipping all these valuable steps and ascending?


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    #2206170 - 12/28/03 07:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ah, but YOU don't know what has happened to me!
Fair enough, but I know that you are healthy, your kids are healthy, have a good job and live in one of the wealthiest areas in the wealthiest country in the world. You are "blessed". Would you honestly feel the same if everything were taken away?

It's a result of all the bad things that happened that caused me to realize that God is taking care of me,
Somehow I don't think of those people who lost loved ones in Iraq and those unemployed and unable to provide for their families feel that God is "helping" them.

There are spirits that are helping us. We can't see them.
If there is no evidence of help and we are unable to perceive them, I don't see how anyone can say that they exist.

I'm no more special than anyone else.
Spirits have never helped me, so you are at least more special than I am.  :wink:

I don't see things the way I used to any more.
A paradigm shift is more an indicator of maturity than it is of any metaphysical reality.


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    #2206223 - 12/28/03 08:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Fair enough, but I know that you are healthy, your kids are healthy, have a good job and live in one of the wealthiest areas in the wealthiest country in the world. You are "blessed". Would you honestly feel the same if everything were taken away?





Well, can't things be relative?  I would say that for living in (I think it is, anyways) the wealthiest county in California, I did lose everything!  And yes, I have my my health, my kids are healthy, etc.  That's more important to me than anything I lost, but I lost, literally, everything.  I know what you are saying.  I had this argument with someone once before. 

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Somehow I don't think of those people who lost loved ones in Iraq and those unemployed and unable to provide for their families feel that God is "helping" them.




Well, maybe they don't know how to look.  And sometimes things happen for a reason.  Do I want to be them?  No.  If I had to be them, though, I hope I would suffer in dignity, if that's possible.  I guess what I'm saying is I would hope I could put my money where my mouth is.  Something like that.  Why am I poor here in the U.S.A.?  Why aren't I poor in Iraq?  Or in any 3rd world country?  Things happen for a reason. 

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If there is no evidence of help and we are unable to perceive them, I don't see how anyone can say that they exist.



Edgar Cayce gave excellent evidence of a spirit world.

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Spirits have never helped me, so you are at least more special than I am.  :wink:



Okay, God loves me more than He loves you.  Sorry.  Sucks to be you, I guess.

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A paradigm shift is more an indicator of maturity than it is of any metaphysical reality.



Yes, true, but I still had a shift in consciousness.  I was knocked out of my immediate world and able to see that there is a spirit world, and that God really does exist, and actually does help us.  I was able to look back over my entire life and see where God was helping me, and even directing my actions.  I've seen so many signs leading up until this "paradigm shift" and since then that I would be a fool to disregard what I learned.


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    #2206254 - 12/28/03 08:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, God loves me more than He loves you. Sorry. Sucks to be you, I guess.

*choking* LOL!

No pity party here, babe. I like being me, but I do it without helper spirits is all.


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    #2206268 - 12/28/03 08:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Frog:  Okay, God loves me more than He loves you. Sorry. Sucks to be you, I guess.

Swami:*choking* LOL!

No pity party here, babe. I like being me, but I do it without helper spirits is all.




If you knew me in real life, you would say that God was very smart to provide me with helper spirits.  :nut:


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    #2206328 - 12/28/03 09:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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If you knew me in real life, you would say that God was very smart to provide me with helper spirits.  :nut:




If you guys knew her in real life, you'd say that God had better provide those helper spirits with a lot of help of their own.  I still wouldn't be surprised if I woke up someday with a white streak in my hair from this fucker. :laugh:


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    #2206334 - 12/28/03 09:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hyuck, hyuck, hyuck.


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    #2207246 - 12/29/03 09:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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A paradigm shift is more an indicator of maturity than it is of any metaphysical reality.




:thumbup:

Everything happens for a reason because we take what has happened and put meaning in it. We have some hardship happen; learn something from it, and then just "know" that it happened for us to learn that.... well, I don't really think it happened FOR us to learn this, or that it actually happened for a reason, it just happened.
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    #2207260 - 12/29/03 10:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Something may happen for no apparant reason, but may still shift the consciousness into a different way of thinking, a different way of seeing.

Well, it did for me. So either I'm crazy, or my reality shifted and I'm experiencing a different reality, regardless of what caused it.


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    #2207347 - 12/29/03 11:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The beauty of it all tho, is that it doesn't matter what or who says what is what or which is which, or who believes in such and so on...what your reality consists of is largely up to you. It's just a shame some people dont use this to the best of their advantage...I DO believe that there IS one ultimate truth. But again, this is MY belief. Belief is the keyword here. But I will tell you this, PART of my belief is the belief that you DO manifest your own reality--to whatever extent the depth of your psyche you can hack into...so to speak.

So, in other words...We all swim in the same pool...but we all choose our own floatational devices. And for those who dont "believe" in personal flotation devices, well...it's only a matter of time till their muscles cramp up and tire of swimming...and drown.
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    #2207379 - 12/29/03 11:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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PART of my belief is the belief that you DO manifest your own reality--to whatever extent the depth of your psyche you can hack into...so to speak.

So, in other words...We all swim in the same pool...but we all choose our own floatational devices. And for those who dont "believe" in personal flotation devices, well...it's only a matter of time till their muscles cramp up and tire of swimming...and drown.
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Um, that's exactly what I was thinking!  :wink:

Very well said, Skorpivo.


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    #2207460 - 12/29/03 12:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Something may happen for no apparant reason, but may still shift the consciousness into a different way of thinking, a different way of seeing. 

Well, it did for me.  So either I'm crazy, or my reality shifted and I'm experiencing a different reality, regardless of what caused it.




Meaning is implied. Your consciousness may have shifted. But this all happened within your mind. You had an experience that provoked thoughts that you usually do not dwell on, you saw things from a new perspective. Like Swami said, a paradigm shift.

But should a belief that this happened for a reason other than the obvious one be made? What is the point of making that belief? Isn't it enough to develop an understanding of the way the mind works and why that experience brought forth the changes it did in you, and to not bring in an unknown into the equation when it isn't needed anyways?

I mean, I respect people and their beliefs; the experiences and thoughts they had make it so that they would hold such a belief, but I am also one to challenge and ask and insert new thoughts.

Do you have a good sound system? Put on TOOL's Disposition and then Reflection. Hehe, then listen to the whole Lateralus cd, start to finish. If you haven't had this experience before, with minimal distractions, then I beg you to do so.  :thumbup: What does this have to do with any of this? Could be nothing, could be everything... (could be that I am just listening to it right now and I love it  :tongue:)
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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2207501 - 12/29/03 12:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Meaning is implied. Your consciousness may have shifted. But this all happened within your mind. You had an experience that provoked thoughts that you usually do not dwell on, you saw things from a new perspective. Like Swami said, a paradigm shift.

Well, of course it happened in my mind. Where else do we formulate thoughts about our reality? And isn't that why each individual's reality is different from every other person's reality, is because of the way our minds process information?

But what if there is more to be processed than that which is readily observable?

But should a belief that this happened for a reason other than the obvious one be made? What is the point of making that belief? Isn't it enough to develop an understanding of the way the mind works and why that experience brought forth the changes it did in you, and to not bring in an unknown into the equation when it isn't needed anyways?

What is the "obvious one"? What is the "unknown"? I didn't intend to have the "awakening" or whatever you want to call it. It was a cool sort of ... um ... I don't know what to call them. Mind dramas?

Okay, I sort of have to talk about this from a personal perspective in order to tell you what I mean. First, the divorce and a whole bunch of other stuff that all happened within 2 months. My mind was screaming from the mental chaos that was resulting.

Out of the blue, one day, I believe I had a revelation as to
how to handle everything. (This all started about a year and 3/4 ago, and everything has come to pass as predicted, btw.) I immediately calmed down, but because of that revelation, I started looking into how life works and why.

I found a book and something in it caused me to realize that God has been looking out for me all along, and I was able to look back over my life and events "popped out" at me, where I realized that God had been putting "signs" to get my attention.

It's a very different way of looking at life. Forget the reason it came about, but that it came about at all is really cool. It's a different way of seeing things. Almost like seeing things in a different dimension. I'm not looking at the obvious any more.

I mean, I respect people and their beliefs; the experiences and thoughts they had make it so that they would hold such a belief, but I am also one to challenge and ask and insert new thoughts.

Cool. Always question.

Do you have a good sound system? Put on TOOL's Disposition and then Reflection. Hehe, then listen to the whole Lateralus cd, start to finish. If you haven't had this experience before, with minimal distractions, then I beg you to do so. What does this have to do with any of this? Could be nothing, could be everything... (could be that I am just listening to it right now and I love it )

Not that I would ever bootleg anything, but can TOOL be found on imesh or kazaa???


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    #2207528 - 12/29/03 01:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well, TOOL can be found anywhere... Maynard is more likely to be the one God than God himself is.... :grin:

There could likely be more to be processed, but, I mean, we aren't privelged to it, and we shouldn't jump to conclusions...

As far as looking back from that perspective and everything, was it really God? Or was it you thinking from a new perspective and seeing all of the things that would have been obvious from this new perspective, if you would have had it back then? I mean, could it just be a feeling that we want to feel?

I mean, I don't know, I couldn't even begin to question what others think, their experiences and what they felt... but I mean, I don't know. hehe.

Well, I mean, it just depends on how you want to look at it. However, I do know that you will see what you want to see, people who think that there is a secret organization trying to control every aspect of life on this Earth tend to see signs of it everywhere, stuff like that....
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    #2207538 - 12/29/03 01:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I know what you are saying about people who believe in things like the NWO, and then see sign of it everywhere.  I suppose I could be like one of them, but I refuse to believe that because then that makes me obsessive/compulsive, and I already have enough wrong with my brain, tyvm.  :grin:


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    #2207540 - 12/29/03 01:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Isn't there anyone here who has had a similar experience?


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Shroomism, This is awesome! I fully believe that. I year or 2 ago i saw a video on utube of some presentation. It was a closed presentation but someone was filming it secretly i think. This guy had a book with his story and pictures that a friend gave him before passin away. I cant remember it all really good but the pictures were amazing. IThere were some where they had taken him back in time and he got pictures of a dinosaur and a bunch of plants. There was a picture of the earth with 2 moons (which they said we used to have) then there were a bunch of pictures of shit like space ships orbiting jupiter n shit with american flags on them.... this was back in the day.
The pictures were really old and not in color. They were to good to be hoaxes back then.. lol no photoshop.. or computers really.

BUT. In the story he told of how the aliens taught him about the seven steps of evolution. I think its pretty cool how some guy way back in the day told people about this.
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    #10385023 - 05/23/09 05:33 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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They were to good to be hoaxes back then.. lol no photoshop.. or computers really.




Ah yes, the infamous Argument from Incredulity. Does anyone here actually study logic or learn from other poster's errors?

Look up the Cottingly Fairie Hoax and report back on its relevance. Will you do that?


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Re: The Seven Steps of Human Evolution [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Is this really what the dead sea scrolls say?

http://www.ivantic.net/Billy%20Meier/The%20Talmud%20of%20Jmmanuel.pdf

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pictures of planets and space and space ships are a lil different then some chicks that had some dolls or something. There were pictures of the earth from orbit before we even went into space :p I wish i could find that video, it was pretty cool.
My point was about how he talked about the seven steps of evolution. Its not something you hear alot.


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    #10385048 - 05/23/09 05:50 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I see you missed the point entirely. Why do I even bother?

People believed in the fairie hoax for over 50 years because the girls were too young and inexperienced to have hoaxed it. Sound familiar?


Which is more likely?

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B. Aliens telling one man the future?

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    #10385071 - 05/23/09 06:20 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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I see you missed the point entirely. Why do I even bother?



Im not here stating the authenticity of those photos. I just thought that it was interesting that the seven steps of evolution were discussed.


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Im not here stating the authenticity of those photos.



Actually you did. Short-term memory loss?

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I just thought that it was interesting that the seven steps of evolution were discussed.



It might be if this was the science fiction forum, but it is not.


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