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I think that giving up desire to achieve enlightenment is a misconception.

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Rahz said:

I've been reading some stuff from Lorin Roche that has backed up some thoughts I've had, yet was afraid in some ways to admit to myself.

The basic mantra: Desire = suffering, lack of desire = no suffering... no suffering = ?

Or to put it another way, in the East, an enlightened person could be described as: One who has lost all desire, has no interest in sex, relationships, passionate expression, competition, wealth, etc.

In the West, a severely depressed person could be described as: One who has lost all desire, has no interest in sex, relationships, passionate expression, competition, wealth, etc.

Even as I have used meditation to enrich my life, and looked there for insight into love, sex, relationships, and meaning in general, I've also noticed that much of what I've read with eager eyes has had an opposing effect one me. Of course, I am the one who decides what goes in, and stays out, yet the attitude of isolation in meditation, which is carried out into the monastic lifestyle seems deeply ingrained into much of what I've read, and it's suggested that being monastic is what leads to enlightenment.

There are a few people who don't teach in this manner, but they are the exception.

Think about it. If you don't want to be a Priest, what's the allure of monk hood?

I have no doubt that meditation can be used to enhance just about any viewpoint, yet over the eons, it's been predominantly associated with the death of passion. Does anyone who meditates really want that?

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NEVER give up the passion.
I would rather have one passionate night with a woman i feel for, than receive all the knowledge and wisdom the infinite has to offer.
In the end.. when you gain the ultimate .. you look back on your life.
Do you want to be the guy that was acting like a zombie ?

You can be a heroin addict and reach enlightenment if you learn something from your addiction.
Cancer is a learning tool. And no.. i dont feel sorry if someone has it.
I dont feel bad when people die.
And i am not scared of it myself.
I would never have gotten to the point where im at right now if it werent for my overwhelming passion for the truth. For purity. For love.
Also... sex is IMO a very important energy transfer , and represents a very important way of the creator experiencing himself through the interaction with other selves.

The most profound wisdom can be said with one word.
Balance.

People tend to go from extreme to extreme.
When you realize that neither hardcore anal gangbangs ... nor meditating all day and eating rice for the rest of your life works...
You find that middle.. and addiction is behind you. Novelty presents itself in every facet of the universe around you and time diminishes as you realize that the balance between past and future .. is exactly where you are. Always.
You are already enlightened.

NEVER leave the passion !

Poid said:

Passion is the result of socio-political inefficiency.

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Poid said:

Passion is the result of socio-political inefficiency.


Why would you want to feel passion, anyways, if you didn't need to?

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smmu said:

Poid said:

Passion is the result of socio-political inefficiency.


Why would you want to feel passion, anyways, if you didn't need to?

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i know what you're saying. it's very few people who can see through the thick layers of bullshit. Have you read Brave New World by Aldous Huxley? Check it out you'd be interested in it.

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