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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Swami]
#4658572 - 09/14/05 06:04 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Swami]
#4658601 - 09/14/05 06:28 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Swami, how did you acquire the book? . Won it in a contest.
God is full of irony, finally you win something.. I now have as better understanding why you doused it in gasoline and burned it
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Asante]
#4658613 - 09/14/05 06:38 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I **think** you might have missed the subtle competition/contest humor there....(?)
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Swami]
#4658618 - 09/14/05 06:42 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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the boxing match is certainly pure entertainment, but the idea ("Unconditional Love vs Competition") relates to an earnest attempt to find some holy grail - the right path etc...
my contribution would be that there are no shortcuts to on-going awareness or getting into heaven or anything transcendental except being here & now by effort and seeking the source of all wakes, the sharpest prow (bow) of the moment as it were, where ever it is when ever it is.
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: PhanTomCat]
#4658681 - 09/14/05 07:47 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I must admit it crossed my mind.
But where *did* you get it then, Swami?
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Swami]
#4658738 - 09/14/05 08:20 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Swami said: Icelander: For some, competition is a way of life. It's the only way they can relate to others and their world. They have never had an experience of unconditional love and so don't believe it exists as a state of being where one can operate from, all or in part.
For ALL competition is a way of life.
When you apply for a job, do you hope to be rejected or selected over all the other candidates?
Is it OK if your company or business loses contracts to other companies and you are out of work ?
When you bid on a house that you want to own, do you hope that someone else get's it?
When you meet a lady that you like, don't you hope she will end up in your arms?
If attacked by a mugger or a German shepherd, would you not defend yourself?
At the grocery store do you choose the shortest line?
Do you not try to minimize your taxes?
All of that is competition and yet you do not indulge in any of that?
The biological blank slate that was you when you were born was because one particular sperm beat out the other 10 million. I doubt that sperm #103,687 that became you let the others go first in the most important and competive race of your life.
It is why humans are here today - because we are competitors and kicked ass on other large predators; not because we are fluffy bunnies, er snuggly bears.
Can we start a bonfire and burn all of the New Age books?
No Swami don't burn them yet. Looking at it in your black and white terms might make one think that you are talking sense. But alas you choose to ignore my point.
While competition is an aspect of life, humans also survive because of co-operation. Many people get so caught up in there competitive drives that they go from preferences to addictions. They only have one basic stance in the world. They compete even when it is not necessary to achieve results, and may even be the poorer choice for the results they want.
Some people will choose not to compete if that is the wisest choice in the situation. Others do not have that choice because they are too afraid to give up there competitiveness as this creates a fear of loss even if none exists.
So lets compete only when it brings the best results and lets co-operate when we can reap the benefits of loving and sharing.
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Swami]
#4658791 - 09/14/05 08:57 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Competition stems from the latin word Competere, which means to agree, or to meet together, to seek higher meaning.
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Icelander
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Just goes to show you that competetion and cooperation can work well together if you include some wisdom.
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Icelander]
#4658834 - 09/14/05 09:14 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, now let's compete!
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I never knew you were so hot! Yeah, lets go a few rounds.
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Swami]
#4659315 - 09/14/05 11:07 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Icelander said:For some, competition is a way of life. It's the only way they can relate to others and their world. They have never had an experience of unconditional love and so don't believe it exists as a state of being where one can operate from, all or in part.
(emphasis mine.)
As a friend of mine likes to say, "when you have many choices, you will make good choices."
Icelander never said that unconditional love was the only way in which he or others should (or could!) navigate existence. His point was that getting stuck in competitive mode was limiting, not that it is necessary to eliminate it entirely.
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Veritas]
#4659351 - 09/14/05 11:15 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for pointing out what was so obvious, unless you have a strong bias.
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Icelander]
#4659357 - 09/14/05 11:17 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Icelander]
#4660034 - 09/14/05 01:09 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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While competition is an aspect of life, humans also survive because of co-operation.
Cooperation is a form of group competition or tribalism or team. Ancient man thinks, "I cannot possibly bring down that mastodon by myself, but if 20 of us try it, then we have a chance." OR "As a loner, I am in grave danger from the Maboora tribe, but if I band together with siblings and cousins and second cousins, I will be safer."
All you have down is enlarged the size of the set of competitors.
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Veritas]
#4660053 - 09/14/05 01:12 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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OK, you win! Your point was superior and mine was inferior.
*Swami runs and hides after that whupping*
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Swami]
#4660151 - 09/14/05 01:29 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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love parries competition thrusts we lunge
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Swami]
#4660223 - 09/14/05 01:40 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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If the delusion of unconditional love can be used as a tool by natural selection, since it can potentially give meaning and mental strength to the existing human mind without requiring much energy, then humans on a whole will evolve to be predisposedly delusional about unconditional love.
But in the end, they are just cogs in a wheel being regulated by Darwinism, just like any other lifeform on this planet. We're given no fundamental rights, nor do we have priority over any other molecules; we only utilize these concepts as an aid to help our inevitable attempts at expansion and domination, and so far we're not doing bad.
No matter how many delusions humans acquire, I doubt they'll ever compare to the adaptability, numbers or survival chances of bacteria, but for multicellular mammals lacking most natural forms of defense against predator or environment, humans need any help they can get. If, by Darwinism, future (or current) humans develop strong predispositions to delusions to help their survival, then all the more power to them.
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Swami]
#4660262 - 09/14/05 01:48 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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A-HA! I wasn't trying to win, but to illuminate the points another had made. No competition.
I am happy in my delusional state.
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Veritas]
#4660296 - 09/14/05 01:54 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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(Not to Veritas)
How many non-competitive posters here are the product of an ovum and a sperm that lost the race? Please raise your fins...
Note once again how my pointed questions are ducked.
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Edited by Swami (09/14/05 01:54 PM)
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Re: Unconditional Love vs Competition [Re: Swami]
#4660385 - 09/14/05 02:10 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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But of course, sperm have no free will.
Free will is made from magical pixie dust that is given to us later in life. Before that, we're just molecules. Sperm have no choice but to compete in a Darwinistic sense; after that, we can deny Darwinism and espouse Creationism as much as we want.
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