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InvisibleSwami
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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: alphaone]
    #3386010 - 11/20/04 04:05 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)

Granted, you didn't say that anywhere...

Case closed.


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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: Swami]
    #3386025 - 11/20/04 04:10 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)

Thank heavens.


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Offlinegnrm23
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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: skystone]
    #3386112 - 11/20/04 04:23 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)



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Offlineoceansize
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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: gnrm23]
    #3386565 - 11/20/04 06:09 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)

The differences between finding a cure for AIDS, finding a supernova etc.  Is that the burden of proof is relieved by valid scientific theory. 

Don't attack me- I am being objective here:
What makes one think entheogens lead to enlightenment?  What theory, what evidence, what people that are testing this with some promise?

This is an open challenge. :wink:


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Invisibleredgreenvines
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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: oceansize]
    #3386745 - 11/20/04 06:59 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)

you can almost tell in advance if there will be a nugget in a person's posting or if it will be a pedantic re-utterance of the same old story.
is this precognition?


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InvisibleJellric
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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: Swami]
    #3387458 - 11/20/04 10:39 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)

Do the following Jim Morrison post-LSD lyrics show evidence of advanced creativity or a higher spiritual perception?

Nope. Probably because Jim Morrison did not write Back Door Man - it's a cover of a 1961 Willie Dixon blues tune.


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InvisibleJellric
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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: Jellric]
    #3391261 - 11/21/04 07:41 AM (18 years, 22 days ago)

Ah!...the sounds of Silence.. :smile:


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OfflineJacquesCousteau
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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: Jellric]
    #3391303 - 11/21/04 07:51 AM (18 years, 22 days ago)

Ahahahaha.

Chalk another one up for the heathens.  :blush:


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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3392630 - 11/21/04 06:44 PM (18 years, 21 days ago)

everything will bring you enlightenment if enlightenment is what you seek.. everything is a tool for expanding your conciousness and your concept of the self.. if that is what youre looking for .. that is why some kids eat mushrooms to look cool.. and others eat them in the dark to see god


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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: bmarley3434]
    #3392633 - 11/21/04 06:45 PM (18 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

bmarley3434 said:
everything will bring you enlightenment if enlightenment is what you seek.. everything is a tool for expanding your conciousness and your concept of the self.. if that is what youre looking for .. that is why some kids eat mushrooms to look cool.. and others eat them in the dark to see god




:thumbup:


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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: bmarley3434]
    #3392909 - 11/21/04 09:10 PM (18 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

bmarley3434 said:
everything will bring you enlightenment if enlightenment is what you seek.. everything is a tool for expanding your conciousness and your concept of the self.. if that is what youre looking for .. that is why some kids eat mushrooms to look cool.. and others eat them in the dark to see god




i like the way you think.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: Jellric]
    #3392929 - 11/21/04 09:19 PM (18 years, 21 days ago)

Nope. Probably because Jim Morrison did not write Back Door Man - it's a cover of a 1961 Willie Dixon blues tune.

I see. So it is lyrically "creative" to do a cover tune?

What happened to the mini-story line?

When everybody's tryin' to sleep
I'm somewhere making my midnight creep
Yes in the morning, when the rooster crow
Something tell me, I got to go

[chorus]

They take me to the doctor, shot full o' holes
Nurse cried, "please save his soul"
Accused him of murder, first degree
Judge's wife cried, "let the man go free"

[chorus]

"Stand out there", cop's wife cried
"Don't take him down, rather be dead
Six feet in the ground"


... and to choose one so obviously stuck in the lower chakras is evidence of rising to a higher plane?


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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: Swami]
    #3392945 - 11/21/04 09:24 PM (18 years, 21 days ago)

Swami is a master of reverse psychology. By telling people psychedelics do not make them more creative, he is infinitely expanding the possiblility of creativity in the psychedelic experience by playing reverse psychological game.

He mind as well say psychedlics make you uncreative.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: Tag_Number]
    #3393014 - 11/21/04 09:47 PM (18 years, 21 days ago)

Here is an impression of a snowflake I did while under LSD. Hardly can call it creative.  :thumbdown:



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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: Swami]
    #3393089 - 11/21/04 10:11 PM (18 years, 21 days ago)

What do you define creative and noncreative?

Just because you do not think its good does not mean its not creative.

Basic input is creativity.

When I blink, thats the creativity of myself blinking.


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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: Swami]
    #3393102 - 11/21/04 10:15 PM (18 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
... and to choose one so obviously stuck in the lower chakras is evidence of rising to a higher plane?




I'm sorry, did you say "so obviously"? Are we making presumptions about the meaning of other peoples' art, Swami? Very unlike you...


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3393111 - 11/21/04 10:19 PM (18 years, 21 days ago)

Are we making presumptions about the meaning of other peoples' art, Swami?

Ask shroomism or Ped where a sexual fixation fits in the order of chakras.


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InvisibleJellric
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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: Swami]
    #3393260 - 11/21/04 11:09 PM (18 years, 21 days ago)

That's weak, man. You still haven't proved those represent Morrison's thoughts.

It's a cover tune. Hellloooo!!


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Invisiblesilversoul7
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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: Swami]
    #3393273 - 11/21/04 11:13 PM (18 years, 21 days ago)

I'm fairly certain that the idea is to have all the chakras in balance. That includes the lower ones as well as the higher ones.


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InvisibleTYL3R
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Re: drugs and spirituality/enlightenment [Re: skystone]
    #3393913 - 11/22/04 02:38 AM (18 years, 21 days ago)

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skystone said:
Swami

I don't question your logic , you seem to operate on
healthy reasoning in debates, but I have noticed since I have came here that you put a certain amount of some internal subtle and masked feelings in those discussions. Of course you will probably denie that, but it seems to me that most things you say have a negative note in them. As if you are fighting a war here.
And it all comes in a form of skepticism towards everything.
It's as every discussion with you does not begin with a neutral ground (and then starts leaning towards something), but starts with a negation and then is supose to lean towards afirmation but of course it doesn't.
Let me just say that being naive (what I suspect you hate most) is the same as being too sceptical, just reversed.
Some people blindly belive that something exists, and some blindly belive that it does not. And both of these blindly believe.




I also agree that you are being a bit hostile...chill out....:blazed:


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