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Lynn V. Andrews (female Castaneda)
    #2812533 - 06/21/04 12:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why is this lady never discussed? Andrews has written about a dozen or so quirky books on Native American shamanic power. Her stories have all of the other-worldliness and spooky fun of Castaneda's books.

Is is because she is still alive? Cuz she is a Beverly Hill's rich bitch or because her stories mainly concern female sorcery?


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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: Swami]
    #2812720 - 06/21/04 01:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

who?


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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: NariusFractal]
    #2812737 - 06/21/04 01:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Because her work sucks. She is just another white person cashing in on "native" culture. Her writing is terrible and not very interesting as well. To call her a female Castaneda is uncalled for...Carlos could write well no matter what the value of the content may or may not have been.


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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2812801 - 06/21/04 02:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

She is just another white person cashing in on "native" culture.

If you don't like the writing that is one thing, but Andrews has as much or as little right as Castaneda. Carlos was not in any way related to the Yaqui (Doodle) Indians; hell, he wasn't even of Mexican blood, so your argument is entirely inconsistent.

Guess a historian cannot write about Columbus unless he was Portuguese or about Caesar unless he was Roman (according to your incredibly weak logic). This is a cross-cultural world with all people borrowing ideas, food, music, etc; from one another.


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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: Swami]
    #2812816 - 06/21/04 02:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Cuz she is a Beverly Hill's rich bitch





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She is just another white person cashing in on "native" culture.





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If you don't like the writing that is one thing, but Andrews has as much or as little right as Castaneda. Carlos was not in any way related to the Yaqui (Doodle) Indians; hell, he wasn't even of Mexican blood, so your argument is entirely inconsistent.






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When you give people options like that, they should come with a warning like  mate in one


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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: Swami]
    #2812863 - 06/21/04 02:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Castaneda was from Peru. The influence that drove Casteneda's work was not, in fact, Mexican, but Peruvian. He had an ongoing dialog with two Peruvian shaman for several years. This was undoubtedly the inspiration for much of his ideas. I have read some of Andrew's work(pushed on me by a friend)from the get go it is a blatantly commercial effort with not even a nod to actual Native American culture. The practice she describes bears little resemblance to shamanism as it is practiced by Native Americans or any other culture for that matter. Read "Lame Deer: Seeker of Visions" (I forget the author at the moment) and contrast what the widely respected Lame Deer had to say with Andrew's words. Casteneda is not so far off. I do, however, recommend many more authentic books over Casteneda's to anyone interested in shamanism. So my logic is not so flawed. In order to avoid writing 50 page responses I too must sadly resort to generalization. Two writers that respectfully borrow from primitive culture while retaining their credibility are anthropologist Michael Harner in his "The Way of the Shaman" and Tom Brown in "The Vision" and "Awakening Spirits".


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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2812911 - 06/21/04 02:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The influence that drove Casteneda's work was not, in fact, Mexican, but Peruvian.
No shit, that was my point. Peru is in no way related to Northern Mexico geographically nor culturally. Not one reason in your meandering about about why Wronguy was not stepping on native shamanic toes for being from another culture that he cashed in on. Bzzzzt!

Andrew's work(pushed on me by a friend)from the get go it is a blatantly commercial effort with not even a nod to actual Native American culture
You certainly do not want to bet me on this. There are frequent "nods" to Native Culture. I will wager dinner at the Palms and we will let the other members decide
from the quotes I dig up who is more correct. Bzzzzt!

it is a blatantly commercial effort
(So while you defend capitalism, you despise it at the same time? Do you do nothing, but volunteer work?) Karlos' fiction netted him several million dollars which does NOT indicate a commercial effort. Bzzzzt!

The practice she describes bears little resemblance to shamanism as it is practiced by Native Americans or any other culture for that matter.
Heh! You have studied and know intimately the practices of several hundred tribes or do you lump them all together? Bzzzt!

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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: Swami]
    #2815300 - 06/21/04 10:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Its because its sorcery, and sorcery deviates from the Lord and his power. Don't delve into black magic, because its power is summoned by those farthest from God. The awakening to God's grace has invoked people being skeptical of black magic and they would rather read the bible and find hope in that, then some dark demon who roams the earth, female or not.


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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: looner2]
    #2815435 - 06/21/04 11:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What if said female is mega-hot? Can we not then make an exception?


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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: Swami]
    #2815464 - 06/21/04 11:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Does her books have illustrations? If not, that is irrelevant. But if it does, then i suggest you treat it like a picture book, but keep your lustful thoughts in check, only look to find pleasure in God's creations.


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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: looner2]
    #2815486 - 06/21/04 11:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

only look to find pleasure in God's creations

That's what I am talking about! Did not God make women yummy for a reason? The "Girls Gone Wild" video series is about the most spiritual work that I have ever seen.  :cool:


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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: Swami]
    #2815511 - 06/21/04 11:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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That's what I am talking about! Did not God make women yummy for a reason? The "Girls Gone Wild" video series is about the most spiritual work that I have ever seen.




God did make woman yummy for a reason; to test the devotion of males to God, and not the flesh. I also find spiritual training in watching pornography, if my will is strong enough, I do not lust for the women. It is an ongoing battle that I sometimes lose. God might get angry at me for this, but sometimes I don't mind losing.


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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: Swami]
    #2816102 - 06/22/04 04:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

holy crap.

n o really.

anyways, thanks for dropping the name, i may or may not pick a book up to read, but its nice to have a mental list of things i might.

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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: Todcasil]
    #2816721 - 06/22/04 11:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

first of all i dont think swami needs to be so hard on hueycohytl (or whatever your mad name is) you asked why no one pays attention to this woman's work and he said because its badly written, and made to profit rather than enlighten. He's obviously read a number of books on the subject so i have no reason to disbelieve his oppinion. I think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. And your argument about how he supports capitalism but doesnt like an author claiming to write spiritual books for profit is ridiculous man and you know it. Capitalism may (or may NOT) be a good basis for a society, but its certianly not a good basis for a spiritual treatise.

Anyways hardly matters, if no one reads her books or knows about them its probably because they arent very good, compared to the alternatives out there.

and...


"God did make woman yummy for a reason; to test the devotion of males to God, and not the flesh."

is this guy for real? is it equally sinfull in the eyes of god to admire a sunset, a blossoming flower or any other one of god's magnificent creations? does adoration of Gods creation somehow lead us farther away from God?

And what about Men? are attractive men created to test Women? or are only males supposed to be devoted to god?

and, according to your logic, if everyone was truly devoted to god, as you suppose God wants them to be, than would the human species not have died out long ago? is that God's plan for his human children? for us to become celibate and disapear from the earth?

no no no... this doesnt add up at all! Horses cant talk!

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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #2816943 - 06/22/04 01:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:Capitalism may (or may NOT) be a good basis for a society, but its certianly not a good basis for a spiritual treatise.



Explain how capitalism and spirituality are mutually exclusive.
I'm confused.


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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: Sclorch]
    #2816959 - 06/22/04 01:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

its not that complicated, were talking about "I have read some of Andrew's work(pushed on me by a friend)from the get go it is a blatantly commercial effort "

what i meant was a society may function on the sole basis of profiteering, but if a spiritual tradition is based on the same principles, its not a good thing.

Im not going to bother defending that any more... if you dont get it, you dont get it.


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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: Sclorch]
    #2817019 - 06/22/04 02:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Explain how capitalism and spirituality are mutually exclusive.

Well, you see it is better to not be self-sufficient so that one may mooch off of society.


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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #2817029 - 06/22/04 02:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

but if a spiritual tradition is based on the same principles, its not a good thing.
Yeah, the same with medicine. Fuck those doctors trying to repay their costly university loans. Give me, give me!

Im not going to bother defending that any more... if you dont get it, you dont get it.
(Yeah, Sclorch, it is because you are a spiritual retard. :rolleyes:) Um, maybe because your rationale falls flat?


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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: Swami]
    #2817031 - 06/22/04 02:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

^^^^ actually that was a very valid point. Another reason that capitalism and spirituality are largely exclusive is that if you devote your life to capitalism, or the pursuit of capital (cash money) than you most likely are not dedicating your life to spiritual pursuits. Indeed most monks are not self suffiecient, they beg for there food, and this is all well and good. At best you might squeeze in church once a week or some prayers on the side, but i do believe that
"it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven" -jesus

Dont take that literally, but the point is clear. Pursuit of worldly goods and pursuit of spiritual awakening generally do not jive.


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Re: Lynne V. Andrews (female Castaneda) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #2817082 - 06/22/04 02:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Pursuit of worldly goods and pursuit of spiritual awakening generally do not jive

You keep repeating this same thing with no justification. (Repetition only works in politics). There is nothing inherently true in your flat statement.

If I feel closest to God playing concert piano and bring joy to others through my discipline and expression, then I should be monetarily rewarded.

If an architect sees sublime beauty in design and brings that out as a gift to the community, then he should be financially rewarded.

I could give a million examples if I had the time.


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