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Questions for the Enlightened 1
#7314876 - 08/20/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have found myself to have become totally spiritually enlightened in every way. I have eliminated the last shreds of ego and self importance, and have entered into a permanent state of enlightened spiritual bliss. I know that to share my wisdom here (or anywhere really) is literally like casting "pearls before swine", but the ranks of the enlightened (who are few) are burdened with the onerous responsibility of helping those much less fortunate by sharing occasional nuggets of wisdom with the ignorant. So if anyone has any questions about enlightenment I may find a moment here to answer them...free of charge for now.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7314898 - 08/20/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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How dare you think of yourself as enlightened? Do you honestly think anyone here is going to buy your bullshit?
Monkeys are more enlightened.
Especially this one.
-------------------- [quote]We don't need anyone to teach us sorcery, because there is really nothing to learn. What we need is a teacher to convince us that there is incalculable power at our fingertips. What a strange paradox! Every warrior on the path of knowledge thinks, at one time or another, that he's learning sorcery, but all he's doing is allowing himself to be convinced of the power hidden in his being, and that he can reach it. [/quote]-Carlos Casteneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: justamonkey]
#7314901 - 08/20/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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No I am serious. I am truly enlightened. I have walked the path of spiritual purity to it's conclusion.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7314909 - 08/20/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'll bet that feels good. Now you can finally kick up your feet and watch some preseason NFL.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7314954 - 08/20/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you are so enlightened, you would have realized no matter how much you share with people, you cannot exchange enlightment only a phrase or two that would keep them pondering till hearts end.
-------------------- Evolution of Time.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Lion]
#7315000 - 08/20/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sorry, but football is a rather low brow sport for the enlightened. Most of us prefer polo or golf, but I fly fish myself.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7315006 - 08/20/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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is pocket pool a game for the enlightened?
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7315009 - 08/20/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: I have found myself to have become totally spiritually enlightened in every way. I have eliminated the last shreds of ego and self importance, and have entered into a permanent state of enlightened spiritual bliss. I know that to share my wisdom here (or anywhere really) is literally like casting "pearls before swine", but the ranks of the enlightened (who are few) are burdened with the onerous responsibility of helping those much less fortunate by sharing occasional nuggets of wisdom with the ignorant. So if anyone has any questions about enlightenment I may find a moment here to answer them...free of charge for now.
Would you rather take a bubble bath, or a long walk on the beach?
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Loving in truth, and fain in verse my love to show, That the dear She might take some pleasure of my pain: Pleasure might cause her read, reading might make her know, Knowledge might pity win, and pity grace obtain.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Droz]
#7315011 - 08/20/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know that it cannot truly be shared, but imparting mindless platitudes to all you hopeless slobs might make you feel like you might have a chance to attain a fraction of what I have. It's just my way of giving back to the "community".
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Cracka_X]
#7315013 - 08/20/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh, please! How amusing. The antics of the unenlightened never cease to amaze me.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Only if it is high dollar bubble bath, and yes I would take a walk on the beach if there is beer involved. I prefer German beer...dark. To have a favorite between the two might be a little judgmental.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7315019 - 08/20/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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where would you go from here and what are you working on?
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Cracka_X]
#7315027 - 08/20/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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A tour of Europe...and maybe a tan.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: soulcircus]
#7315053 - 08/20/07 05:17 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Refer to the first post please I do not wish to repeat myself.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7315073 - 08/20/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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A tour of Europe...
When do you have that planned?
-------------------- All this time I've loved you And never known your face All this time I've missed you And searched this human race Here is true peace Here my heart knows calm Safe in your soul Bathed in your sighs
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7315132 - 08/20/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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"We are like the spider. We weave our life and then move along in it. We are like the dreamer who dreams and then lives in the dream. This is true for the entire universe."
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I can go there, , but I tend to think that we live the dream as we dream it...and we dream as we live it.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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A stitch in time saves nine.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Lion]
#7315323 - 08/20/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think he's saying exactly what so many people secretly believe, but what they wouldn't dare openly claim or even reluctantly admit. Instead of allowing a holier-than-thou attitude to manifest within, bringing rise to bigotry and arrogance, he is willing to risk sounding like he possesses both these traits in order to share his belief openly with a willingness to face whatever criticism follows. To some degree or another we all harbor this idea of self glory and personal supremacy, but few dare put their ego out on such a limb. And perhaps some are smarter. Just my take on it..
-------------------- From dust you are made and to dust you shall return.
Edited by elbisivni (08/20/07 07:27 PM)
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7315332 - 08/20/07 07:31 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anyone who is "enlightened" enough would realize this thread is completely tongue in cheek.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7315336 - 08/20/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: A tour of Europe...and maybe a tan.
I just got back from touring europe 2 days ago. Does this mean I've been enlightened and by default happened to tour europe after that moment?
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: adrug]
#7315355 - 08/20/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlightenment is often a relative term, and it doesn't require much of it by any standard to know that you see truth. Now, I must say good night for the evening as I have a party to attend with my enlightened friends. Don't worry, I will come back and spread more love and understanding with you less fortunate acquaintances tomorrow.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7315367 - 08/20/07 07:41 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gee, thanks!
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7315425 - 08/20/07 08:05 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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One question before I go: Many people accept that characters like Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammad were enlightened? They even accept it when they read a book by someone who claims it. One of my favorite authors, Eckhart Tolle, claims this very thing. Why are we willing to buy into the idea that these inaccessible people are enlightened, but see the state (whatever you define it as) unavailable to ourselves...or even our friends and family? Me...I see enlightenment as the journey...the path...and the inevitable straying from it and coming back to center. In this sense I am reaching for it...definitely. It is like breaking out of an infinite egg slowly...bit by bit...seeing the light...a little here ...a little there...
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7315613 - 08/20/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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It seems like just another type of elitism to me.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: elbisivni]
#7315785 - 08/20/07 09:39 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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elbisivni said: I think he's saying exactly what so many people secretly believe, but what they wouldn't dare openly claim or even reluctantly admit. Instead of allowing a holier-than-thou attitude to manifest within, bringing rise to bigotry and arrogance, he is willing to risk sounding like he possesses both these traits in order to share his belief openly with a willingness to face whatever criticism follows. To some degree or another we all harbor this idea of self glory and personal supremacy, but few dare put their ego out on such a limb. And perhaps some are smarter. Just my take on it..
I agree with this interpretation. I think this post means you're enlightened. Rad.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Lion]
#7315837 - 08/20/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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In three months he can test to see if he can get his 2nd degree enlightenment belt.
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not if I don't get my 1st degree water wings first..
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Lion]
#7316746 - 08/21/07 04:33 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I really thought he was saying that I am full of shit...and he's probably right.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7317301 - 08/21/07 10:09 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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You know it doesn't matter
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7317339 - 08/21/07 10:24 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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So if anyone has any questions about enlightenment I may find a moment here to answer them...free of charge for now.
Speak to the connection of beans and flatulence.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7317345 - 08/21/07 10:28 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can field that one:
The answer lies within you.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Lion]
#7317366 - 08/21/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Lion]
#7317370 - 08/21/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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With friends like you, who needs enemas?
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7318259 - 08/21/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, I understand that cooking beans for a long time reduces flatulence, and sprouting them does much the same.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7318753 - 08/21/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well then I suggest you start doing that.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7318777 - 08/21/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guess I missed the joke. You must excuse me, though, the comments of the unenlightened sometimes leave me wondering because I have ceased to share their assumptions and self projections, but that is alright because I have come to accept them for who they are.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7318788 - 08/21/07 05:39 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Joke?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7318818 - 08/21/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well I guess it could have been criticism, but I missed the point completely, but it is not important. How one perceives others is merely a reflection of the self so criticism would mean nothing.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7318829 - 08/21/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Criticism?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7318850 - 08/21/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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As I said I did not understand the purpose of the statement. I try not to assume what others mean when their comments are unclear. It is possible that you were merely trying to derail my thread with irrelevant comments. In that case I am confident that the moderators will deal with you swiftly. We all know how strict they are about staying on subject.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7318858 - 08/21/07 06:00 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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derail?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7318888 - 08/21/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7318892 - 08/21/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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It was all joking, in the spirit of your thread.;)
"any major dude (read enlightened) will tell you my friend."
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7318895 - 08/21/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I told you I didn't get it. Who said I was joking. I am certainly as enlightened as anyone else
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7319197 - 08/21/07 07:42 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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You think you are and that's all. You cannot know how enlightened another might be.
Quit comparing yourself to others. Just love yourself as you are my son.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7319242 - 08/21/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good point. I tend to compare myself to others a LOT, and to project myself onto others. I suspect that there are people on this forum who are in a constant state of Nowness or Enlightenment, who are at peace with or above the flow of the river, and what's more, I strongly suspect that there are many who know the type of experience I am going to go through before I go through it. That is not enlightenment, that is a kind of omniscience. This leads me to want to strive for a kind of multi-tiered Enlighenment (what leery11 aptly called "Nirvana with a stage persona") which I think detracts from my actually being here now. I'm at my best when I lay aside that intellectual striving and just wing it from the heart.
It's easy to feel enlightened when you suspect that the people around you are 'asleep'. But when I am in the company of people who are truly aware and have a degree of wisdom which I cannot comprehend, I don't know what to do with myself; I realize that my attitude of awareness and being 'above it all' is usually just an egoic front so that I don't have to actually be totally present and aware. I mean, what do you do with yourself when all you see in others is a reflection of yourself??
I guess you could laugh and play around and be silly. I usually find that best.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Lion]
#7319252 - 08/21/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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who are in a constant state of Nowness or Enlightenment, who are at peace with or above the flow of the river, and what's more, I strongly suspect that there are many who know the type of experience I am going to go through before I go through it.
Ya got me.:D I know all, am all, and see all. I can predict a bathroom trip for you before nightfall.
Just thought I'd share.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7319271 - 08/21/07 08:02 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oy vey
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7319386 - 08/21/07 08:37 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, what's all this, then? Some questions for me?
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7319397 - 08/21/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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O enlightened master, I have a question.
Why are American chicks and most girls in general such sluts? Can you really find happiness in losing all shreds of dignity?
-------------------- So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Ravus]
#7319418 - 08/21/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can answer that. I hear this all the time from guys. It's so boring.
Because guys are weak and afraid.
One has already lost the dignity, don't you think.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7319498 - 08/21/07 08:58 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Guys are weak and afraid, therefore you should fuck as much as you can?
No, I believe dignity comes from doing virtuous acts out of compassion and losing selfishness. It seems that fucking people you don't love and who you might not even like simply to pass the time or have a good night moves away from compassion and into simple selfish desires, which perpetuate themselves until you're left with nothing but a crippled body and a grasping egotistical mind in old age.
Though I believe men are at fault too, but it's funny because it often doesn't bring people happiness when they really think it will. One girl today I was talking to told me about guys who literally lasted about a minute in bed, and then said sorry when they blew their load too quick. I mean, it's funny, yeah, but it also me lose respect for people that their desires control them so greatly.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Ravus]
#7319541 - 08/21/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your generalization about women is telling.
The problem is yours and not theirs. When you have a clear view and can be what you say you want then things will become different. I don't think it's too hard to read between the lines of your post and your last "musical" thread.
Worry about yourself and you won't have to "lose" respect for others. They are just doing their thing.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7319706 - 08/21/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't be bringing Raleigh Sakers into this. I don't see how you can read between the lines of a paranoid schizophrenic's ramblings either, hah.
They are just doing their thing? A lot of people are just doing their thing, but it doesn't mean their natural way doesn't fuck up humanity. Jesus said, "Remove the log in your own eye before you remove the splinter in your brother's," and I believe that to be true, but isn't it also true that people who have cultivated virtue over their lives have cautioned people against the dangers of murder, spreading STDs and causing violence? People just doing their thing isn't always the compassionate way, and it shouldn't always be respected.
And my generalization only applies to American girls compared to other cultures I've travelled to. In northern Africa, there was legal prostitution, but the only sluts were the actual sluts. All the girls who were committed to their men stayed with their men generally, and they didn't fuck randomly. For that to be so predominant in the American and European cultures probably won't lead to our longevity is all I'm saying, and I'm wary of people who propagate it, even the hippies and others who do some good by providing LSD.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Ravus]
#7319734 - 08/21/07 09:45 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, but they can be accepted. Why would anybody try to change someone else when one could simply avoid the people one doesn't connect with? This world is so diverse that each of us can find what we need.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Ravus]
#7320070 - 08/21/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hmmm...so who, exactly are these "sluts" having sex with? Virtuous, faithful men? Or similarly promiscuous men? Who needs to be protected from these "sluts" who are supposedly fucking up humanity?
C'mon, we're talking about normal human behavior here, not something restricted to one sex. Men can be sluts, women can be sluts, and they may learn that their behavior is ultimately unsatisfying--or not.
In some areas of Africa, it is "normal" for women to be forcibly circumcised and infibulated so that they are incapable of enjoying sex, and so that their husbands will be assured of their chastity prior to marriage. Does this practice improve the conditions under which humanity is existing?
If we want to discuss an enlightened approach to sexuality, how about we drop the Puritanical judgment & look at the facts?
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Veritas]
#7320211 - 08/21/07 11:56 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are saying promiscuity is natural human behavior? I don't know about that- historically, the majority of humans have been monogamous for extended periods of times, sometimes even lifetimes, and attach themselves to one partner whom they love.
I have been observing the cause of the differences between various cultures, and the "Combine" here actually causes consumers to intentionally cultivate desires, thinking that will grant them greater social status or happiness. The media, movies, music, television and other sources infuse a message into American children from birth- that the only path to happiness is sex and money and lots of luxuries. I believe naturally, families are stable and not dysfunctional and people become attached to partners in love and need rather than promoting promiscuity due to lust and general unhappiness with life.
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Who needs to be protected from these "sluts" who are supposedly fucking up humanity?
Hm, people who don't want HIV to kill them at age 25 because of this Brave New World environment come to mind.
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In some areas of Africa, it is "normal" for women to be forcibly circumcised and infibulated so that they are incapable of enjoying sex, and so that their husbands will be assured of their chastity prior to marriage. Does this practice improve the conditions under which humanity is existing?
If we want to discuss an enlightened approach to sexuality, how about we drop the Puritanical judgment & look at the facts?
I'm not going to judge a culture I've never witnessed personally, but that sounds like they are not taking the path of moderation either. Both puritanism and the "Brave New World" mentality of complete promiscuity and lack of true attachment will lead to great suffering. I don't support either one, but I have seen happiness in old couples together for a lifetime that is inexpressible, a cultivated union that does not wilt as long as their hearts beat together, and from what I see this is going to become much rarer among my generation. I wouldn't call this Puritanical judgement at all, I would not stop the young generation from following their supposedly natural way, but I predict right now that they will become so quickly jaded and unstable with their sexual relationships as they age that society will suffer greatly because of it. It happened in the 60s, propelling the divorce rate to new highs and create so many fractured families and suffering children, and young adults now seem even more promiscuous and less attached to single partners than young adults then.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7320398 - 08/22/07 01:22 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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seriously?
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Icelander said: I can answer that. I hear this all the time from guys. It's so boring.
Because guys are weak and afraid.
One has already lost the dignity, don't you think.
i agree, women have been dominating men in sexuality for ages...
thanks to taoist esoteric yoga, sexuality between males and females can now come to a balance point. the balancing of yin and yang energies can rapidly transform the potential of our being and how much consciousness we experience.
yes one could say we are enlightened, at our base or root we all are. but we have not all fully realized the seed of our being. im pretty sure all of us here have not fully realized the seed. we have realized it to some degree, have had quick glances of it and maybe have conditioned ourselves to pay more attention to it. but i have read of the experiences of the "satgurus/perfect masters" and this tells me there is so much more to experience in my life and so many people have yet to realize their potential.
none of us here are satgurus, there is always more beingness to become. i find it absolutely rediculous if anyone here claims to be enlightened. it's a good to joke, but if not then common.
some of my favorite excerpts -
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I have been looking for the door to enlightenment as long as I remember—from my very childhood. I must have carried that idea from my past life, because I don't remember a single day in my childhood in this life that I was not looking for it.
And as far as my craziness is concerned, naturally I was thought crazy by everybody. I never played with any children. I never could find any way to communicate with the children of my own age. To me they looked stupid, doing all kinds of idiotic things. I never joined any football team, volleyball team, hockey team. Of course, they all thought me crazy. And as far as I was concerned, as I grew I started looking at the whole world as crazy.
In the last year, when I was twenty-one, it was a time of nervous breakdown and breakthrough. Naturally, those who loved me, my family, my friends, my professors, could understand a little bit what was going on in me—why I was so different from other children, why I would go on sitting for hours with closed eyes, why I sat by the bank of the river and went on looking at the sky for hours, sometimes for the whole night. Naturally, the people who could not understand such things—and I did not expect them to understand—thought me mad. In my own home I had become almost absent….
By and by they stopped asking me anything, and slowly slowly they started feeling as if I were not there. And I loved it, the way I had become a nothingness, a nobody, an absence. That one year was tremendous. I was surrounded with nothingness, emptiness. I had lost all contact with the world. If they reminded me to take a bath, I would go on taking the bath for hours. Then they had to knock on the door: "Now come out of the bathroom. You have taken enough bath for one month. Just come out." If they reminded me to eat, I ate; otherwise, days would pass and I would not eat. Not that I was fasting—I had no idea about eating or fasting. My whole concern was to go deeper and deeper into myself. And the door was so magnetic, the pull was so immense—like what physicists now call black holes.
They say there are black holes in existence. If a star comes by chance to a black hole it is pulled into the black hole; there is no way to resist that pull, and to go into the black hole is to go into destruction. We don't know what happens on the other side. My idea, for which some physicist has to find evidence, is that the black hole on this side is a white hole on the other side. The hole cannot be just one side; it is a tunnel. I have experienced it in myself. Perhaps on a bigger scale the same happens in the universe. The star dies; as far as we can see, it disappears. But every moment new stars are being born. From where? Where is their womb? It is simple arithmetic that the black hole was just a womb—the old disappeared into it and the new is born.
This I have experienced in myself—I am not a physicist. That one year of tremendous pull made me farther and farther away from people, so much so that I would not recognize my own mother, I might not recognize my own father; so far that there were times I forgot my own name. I tried hard, but there was no way to find what my name used to be.
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For one year I was in the state…. For one year it was almost impossible to know what was happening. For one year continuously it was even difficult to keep myself alive. Just to keep myself alive was a very difficult thing—because all appetite disappeared. Days would pass and I would not feel any hunger, days would pass and I would not feel any thirst. I had to force myself to eat, force myself to drink. The body was so non-existential that I had to hurt myself to feel that I was still in the body. I had to knock my head against the wall to feel whether my head was still there or not. Only when it hurt would I be a little in the body.
Every morning and every evening I would run for five to eight miles. People used to think that I was mad. Why was I running so much? Sixteen miles a day! It was just to feel myself, to feel that I still was, not to lose contact with myself—just to wait until my eyes became attuned to the new that was happening.
And I had to keep myself close to myself. I would not talk to anybody because everything had become so inconsistent that even to formulate one sentence was difficult. In the middle of the sentence I would forget what I was saying in the middle of the way I would forget where I was going. Then I would have to come back. I would read a book—I would read fifty pages—and then suddenly I would remember, 'What am I reading? I don't remember at all.' My situation was such:
The door of the psychiatrist's office burst open and a man rushed in. 'Doctor!' he cried. 'You've got to help me. I'm sure I'm losing my mind. I can't remember anything—what happened a year ago, or even what happened yesterday. I must be going crazy!' 'Hmmmmmmm,' pondered the headshrinker. 'Just when did you first become aware of this problem?' The man looked puzzled, 'What problem?'
This was my situation! Even to complete a full sentence was difficult. I had to keep myself shut in my room. I made it a point not to talk, not to say anything, because to say anything was to say that I was mad.
For one year it persisted. I would simply lie on the floor and look at the ceiling and count from one to a hundred then back from a hundred to one. Just to remain capable of counting was at least something. Again and again I would forget. It took one year for me to gain a focus again, to have a perspective.
It happened. It was a miracle. But it was difficult. There was nobody to support me, there was nobody to say where I was going and what was happening. In fact, everybody was against it my teachers, my friends, my well-wishers. All were against it. But they could not do anything, they could only condemn, they could only ask what I was doing.
I was not doing anything! Now it was beyond me; it was happening. I had done something, unknowingly I had knocked at the door, now the door had opened. I had been meditating for many years, just sitting silently doing nothing, and by and by I started getting into that space, that heartspace, where you are and you are not doing anything, you are simply there, a presence, a watcher.
You are not even a watcher because you are not watching—you are just a presence. Words are not adequate because whatsoever word is used it seems as if it is being done. No, I was not doing it. I was simply lying, sitting, walking—deep down there was no doer. I had lost all ambition; there was no desire to be anybody, no desire to reach anywhere—not even God, not even nirvana. The Buddha-disease had completely disappeared. I was simply thrown to myself.
It was an emptiness and emptiness drives one crazy. But emptiness is the only door to God. That means that only those who are ready to go mad ever attain, nobody else.
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You ask me: What happened when you became enlightened?
I laughed, a real uproarious laugh, seeing the whole absurdity of trying to be enlightened. The whole thing is ridiculous because we are born enlightened, and to try for something that is already the case is the most absurd thing. If you already have it, you cannot achieve it; only those things can be achieved which you don't have, which are not intrinsic parts of your being. But enlightenment is your very nature.
I had struggled for it for many lives--it had been the only target for many many lives. And I had done everything that is possible to do to attain it, but I had always failed. It was bound to be so--because it cannot be an attainment. It is your nature, so how can it be your attainment? It cannot be made an ambition.
Mind is ambitious--ambitious for money, for power, for prestige. And then one day, when it gets fed up with all these extrovert activities, it becomes ambitious for enlightenment, for liberation, for nirvana, for God. But the same ambition has come back; only the object he changed. First the object was outside, now the object is inside. But your attitude, your approach has not changed; you are the same person in the same rut, in the same routine.
"The day I became enlightened" simply means the day I realized that there is nothing to achieve, there is nowhere to go, there is nothing to be done. We are already divine and we are already perfect--as we are. No improvement is needed, no improvement at all. God never creates anybody imperfect. Even if you come across an imperfect man, you will see that his imperfection is perfect. God never creates any imperfect thing.
I have heard about a Zen Master Bokuju who was telling this truth to his disciples, that all is perfect. A man stood up--very old, a hunchback--and he said, "What about me? I am a hunchback. What do you say about me?" Bokuju said, "I have never seen such a perfect hunchback in my life."
When I say "the day I achieved enlightenment," I am using wrong language--because there is no other language, because our language is created by us. It consists of the words "achievement," "attainment," "goals," "improvement" "progress," "evolution." Our languages are not created by the enlightened people; and in fact they cannot create it even if they want to because enlightenment happens in silence. How can you bring that silence into words? And whatsoever you do, the words are going to destroy something of that silence.
Lao Tzu says: The moment truth is asserted it becomes false. There is no way to communicate truth. But language has to be used; there is no other way. So we always have to use the language with the condition that it cannot be adequate to the experience. Hence I say "the day I achieved my enlightenment." It is neither an achievement nor mine.
[At this point there is a brief power failure: no light, no sound.]
Yes, it happens like that! Out of nowhere suddenly the darkness, suddenly the light, and you cannot do anything. You can just watch.
I laughed that day because of all my stupid ridiculous efforts to attain it. I laughed on that day at myself, and I laughed on that day at the whole of humanity, because everybody is trying to achieve, everybody is trying to reach, everybody is trying to improve.
To me it happened in a state of total relaxation--it always happens in that state. I had tried everything. And then, seeing the futility of all effort, I dropped...I dropped the whole project, I forgot all about it. For seven days I lived as ordinarily as possible.
The people I used to live with were very much surprised, because this was the first time they had seen me live just an ordinary life. Otherwise my whole life was a perfect discipline.
For two years I had lived with that family, and they had known that I would get up at three o'clock in the morning, then I would go for a long four- or five-mile walk or run, and then I would take a bath in the river. Everything was absolutely routine. Even if I had a fever or I was ill, there was no difference: I would simply go on the same way.
They had known me to sit in meditation for hours. Up to that day I had not eaten many things. I would not drink tea, coffee, I had a strict discipline about what to eat, what not to eat. And exactly at nine o'clock I would go to bed. Even if somebody was sitting there, I would simply say "Goodbye" and I would go to my bed. The family with whom I used to live, they would inform the person that "Now you can go. He has gone to sleep." I would not even waste a single moment in saying, "Now it is time for me to go to sleep."
When I relaxed for seven days, when I dropped the whole thing and when on the first day I drank tea in the morning and woke up at nine o'clock in the morning, the family was puzzled. They said, "What has happened? Have you fallen?" They used to think of me as a great yogi.
One picture of those days still exists. I used to use only one single piece of cloth and that was all. In the day I would cover my body with it, in the night I would use it as a blanket to cover myself. I slept on a bamboo mat. That was my whole comfort--that blanket, that bamboo mat. I had nothing--no other possessions.
They were puzzled when I woke up at nine. They said, "Something is wrong. Are you very ill, seriously ill?"
I said, "No, I am not seriously ill. I have been ill for many years, now I am perfectly healthy. Now I will wake up only when sleep leaves me, and I will go to sleep only when sleep comes to me. I am no longer going to be a slave to the clock. I will eat whatsoever my body feels like eating, and I will drink whatsoever I feel like drinking."
They could not believe it. They said, "Can you even drink beer?" I said, "Bring it!"
That was the first day I tasted beer. They could not believe their eyes. They said, "You have completely gone down. You have become completely unspiritual. What are you doing?"
I said, "Enough is enough." And in seven days I completely forgot the whole project, and I forgot it forever.
And the seventh day it happened--it happened just out of nowhere. Suddenly all was light; and I was not doing anything, I was just sitting under a tree resting, enjoying. And when I laughed, the gardener heard the laughter. He used to think that I was a little bit crazy, but he had never seen me laugh in that way. He came running. He said, "What is the matter?"
I said, "Don't be worried. You know I am crazy--now I have gone completely crazy! I am laughing at myself. Don't feel offended. Just go to sleep." theolo09
I am reminded of the fateful day of twenty-first March, 1953. For many lives I had been working--working upon myself, struggling, doing whatsoever can be done--and nothing was happening.
Now I understand why nothing was happening. The very effort was the barrier, the very ladder was preventing, the very urge to seek was the obstacle. Not that one can reach without seeking. Seeking is needed, but then comes a point when seeking has to be dropped. The boat is needed to cross the river but then comes a moment when you have to get out of the boat and forget all about it and leave it behind. Effort is needed, without effort nothing is possible. And also only with effort, nothing is possible.
Just before twenty-first March, 1953, seven days before, I stopped working on myself. A moment comes when you see the whole futility of effort. You have done all that you can do and nothing is happening. You have done all that is humanly possible. Then what else can you do? In sheer helplessness one drops all search.
And the day the search stopped, the day I was not seeking for something, the day I was not expecting something to happen, it started happening. A new energy arose--out of nowhere. It was not coming from any source. It was coming from nowhere and everywhere. It was in the trees and in the rocks and the sky and the sun and the air--it was everywhere. And I was seeking so hard, and I was thinking it is very far away. And it was so near and so close.
Just because I was seeking I had become incapable of seeing the near. Seeking is always for the far, seeking is always for the distant--and it was not distant. I had become far-sighted, I had lost the near-sightedness. The eyes had become focussed on the far away, the horizon, and they had lost the quality to see that which is just close, surrounding you.
The day effort ceased, I also ceased. Because you cannot exist without effort, and you cannot exist without desire, and you cannot exist without striving.
The phenomenon of the ego, of the self, is not a thing, it is a process. It is not a substance sitting there inside you; you have to create it each moment. It is like pedalling bicycle. If you pedal it goes on and on, if you don't pedal it stops. It may go a little because of the past momentum, but the moment you stop pedalling, in fact the bicycle starts stopping. It has no more energy, no more power to go anywhere. It is going to fall and collapse.
The ego exists because we go on pedalling desire, because we go on striving to get something, because we go on jumping ahead of ourselves. That is the very phenomenon of the ego--the jump ahead of yourself, the jump in the future, the jump in the tomorrow. The jump in the non-existential creates the ego. Because it comes out of the non-existential it is like a mirage. It consists only of desire and nothing else. It consists only of thirst and nothing else.
The ego is not in the present, it is in the future. If you are in the future, then ego seems to be very substantial. If you are in the present the ego is a mirage, it starts disappearing.
The day I stopped seeking...and it is not right to say that I stopped seeking, better will be to say the day seeking stopped. Let me repeat it: the better way to say it is the day the seeking stopped. Because if I stop it then I am there again. Now stopping becomes my effort, now stopping becomes my desire, and desire goes on existing in a very subtle way.
You cannot stop desire; you can only understand it. In the very understanding is the stopping of it. Remember, nobody can stop desiring, and the reality happens only when desire stops.
So this is the dilemma. What to do? Desire is there and Buddhas go on saying desire has to be stopped, and they go on saying in the next breath that you cannot stop desire. So what to do? You put people in a dilemma. They are in desire, certainly. You say it has to be stopped--okay. And then you say it cannot be stopped. Then what is to be done?
The desire has to be understood. You can understand it, you can just see the futility of it. A direct perception is needed, an immediate penetration is needed. Look into desire, just see what it is, and you will see the falsity of it, and you will see it is non-existential. And desire drops and something drops simultaneously within you.
Desire and the ego exist in cooperation, they coordinate. The ego cannot exist without desire, the desire cannot exist without the ego. Desire is projected ego, ego is introjected desire. They are together, two aspects of one phenomenon.
The day desiring stopped, I felt very hopeless and helpless. No hope because no future. Nothing to hope because all hoping has proved futile, it leads nowhere. You go in rounds. It goes on dangling in front of you, it goes on creating new mirages, it goes on calling you, 'Come on, run fast, you will reach.' But howsoever fast you run you never reach.
That's why Buddha calls it a mirage. It is like the horizon that you see around the earth. It appears but it is not there. If you go it goes on running from you. The faster you run, the faster it moves away. The slower you go, the slower it moves away. But one thing is certain--the distance between you and the horizon remains absolutely the same. Not even a single inch can you reduce the distance between you and the horizon.
You cannot reduce the distance between you and your hope. Hope is horizon. You try to bridge yourself with the horizon, with the hope, with a projected desire. The desire is a bridge, a dream bridge--because the horizon exists not, so you cannot make a bridge towards it, you can only dream about the bridge. You cannot be joined with the non-existential.
The day the desire stopped, the day I looked and realized into it, it simply was futile. I was helpless and hopeless. But that very moment something started happening. The same started happening for which for many lives I was working and it was not happening.
In your hopelessness is the only hope, and in your desirelessness is your only fulfillment, and in your tremendous helplessness suddenly the whole existence starts helping you.
It is waiting. When it sees that you are working on your own, it does not interfere. It waits. It can wait infinitely because there is no hurry for it. It is eternity. The moment you are not on your own, the moment you drop, the moment you disappear, the whole existence rushes towards you, enters you. And for the first time things start happening.
Seven days I lived in a very hopeless and helpless state, but at the same time something was arising. When I say hopeless I don't mean what you mean by the word hopeless. I simply mean there was no hope in me. Hope was absent. I am not saying that I was hopeless and sad. I was happy in fact, I was very tranquil, calm and collected and centered. Hopeless, but in a totally new meaning. There was no hope, so how could there be hopelessness. Both had disappeared.
The hopelessness was absolute and total. Hope had disappeared and with it its counterpart, hopelessness, had also disappeared. It was a totally new experience--of being without hope. It was not a negative state. I have to use words--but it was not a negative state. It was absolutely positive. It was not just absence, a presence was felt. Something was overflowing in me, overflooding me.
And when I say I was helpless, I don't mean the word in the dictionary-sense. I simply say I was selfless. That's what I mean when I say helpless. I have recognized the fact that I am not, so I cannot depend on myself, so I cannot stand on my own ground--there was no ground underneath. I was in an abyss...bottomless abyss. But there was no fear because there was nothing to protect. There was no fear because there was nobody to be afraid.
Those seven days were of tremendous transformation, total transformation. And the last day the presence of a totally new energy, a new light and new delight, became so intense that it was almost unbearable--as if I was exploding, as if I was going mad with blissfulness. The new generation in the West has the right word for it--I was blissed out, stoned.
It was impossible to make any sense out of it, what was happening. It was a very non-sense world--difficult to figure it out, difficult to manage in categories, difficult to use words, languages, explanations. All scriptures appeared dead and all the words that have been used for this experience looked very pale, anaemic. This was so alive. It was like a tidal wave of bliss.
The whole day was strange, stunning, and it was a shattering experience. The past was disappearing, as if it had never belonged to me, as if I had read about it somewhere, as if I had dreamed about it, as if it was somebody else's story I have heard and somebody told it to me. I was becoming loose from my past, I was being uprooted from my history, I was losing my autobiography. I was becoming a non-being, what Buddha calls anatta. Boundaries were disappearing, distinctions were disappearing.
Mind was disappearing; it was millions of miles away. It was difficult to catch hold of it, it was rushing farther and farther away, and there was no urge to keep it close. I was simply indifferent about it all. It was okay. There was no urge to remain continuous with the past.
By the evening it became so difficult to bear it--it was hurting, it was painful. It was like when a woman goes into labour when a child is to be born, and the woman suffers tremendous pain--the birth pangs.
I used to go to sleep in those days near about twelve or one in the night, but that day it was impossible to remain awake. My eyes were closing, it was difficult to keep them open. Something was very imminent, something was going to happen. It was difficult to say what it was--maybe it is going to be my death--but there was no fear. I was ready for it. Those seven days had been so beautiful that I was ready to die, nothing more was needed. They had been so tremendously blissful, I was so contented, that if death was coming, it was welcome.
But something was going to happen--something like death, something very drastic, something which will be either a death or a new birth, a crucifixion or a resurrection--but something of tremendous import was around just by the corner. And it was impossible to keep my eyes open. I was drugged.
I went to sleep near about eight. It was not like sleep. Now I can understand what Patanjali means when he says that sleep and samadhi are similar. Only with one difference--that in samadhi you are fully awake and asleep also. Asleep and awake together, the whole body relaxed, every cell of the body totally relaxed, all functioning relaxed, and yet a light of awareness burns within you...clear, smokeless. You remain alert and yet relaxed, loose but fully awake. The body is in the deepest sleep possible and your consciousness is at its peak. The peak of consciousness and the valley of the body meet.
I went to sleep. It was a very strange sleep. The body was asleep, I was awake. It was so strange--as if one was torn apart into two directions, two dimensions; as if the polarity has become completely focused, as if I was both the polarities together...the positive and negative were meeting, sleep and awareness were meeting, death and life were meeting. That is the moment when you can say 'the creator and the creation meet.'
It was weird. For the first time it shocks you to the very roots, it shakes your foundations. You can never be the same after that experience; it brings a new vision to your life, a new quality.
Near about twelve my eyes suddenly opened--I had not opened them. The sleep was broken by something else. I felt a great presence around me in the room. It was a very small room. I felt a throbbing life all around me, a great vibration--almost like a hurricane, a great storm of light, joy, ecstasy. I was drowning in it.
It was so tremendously real that everything became unreal. The walls of the room became unreal, the house became unreal, my own body became unreal. Everything was unreal because now there was for the first time reality.
That's why when Buddha and Shankara say the world is maya, a mirage, it is difficult for us to understand. Because we know only this world, we don't have any comparison. This is the only reality we know. What are these people talking about--this is maya, illusion? This is the only reality. Unless you come to know the really real, their words cannot be understood, their words remain theoretical. They look like hypotheses. Maybe this man is propounding a philosophy--'The world is unreal'.
When Berkley in the West said that the world is unreal, he was walking with one of his friends, a very logical man; the friend was almost a skeptic. He took a stone from the road and hit Berkley's feet hard. Berkley screamed, blood rushed out, and the skeptic said, 'Now, the world is unreal? You say the world is unreal?--then why did you scream? This stone is unreal?--then why did you scream? Then why are you holding your leg and why are you showing so much pain and anguish on your face. Stop this? It is all unreal.
Now this type of man cannot understand what Buddha means when he says the world is a mirage. He does not mean that you can pass through the wall. He is not saying this--that you can eat stones and it will make no difference whether you eat bread or stones. He is not saying that.
He is saying that there is a reality. Once you come to know it, this so-called reality simply pales out, simply becomes unreal. With a higher reality in vision the comparison arises, not otherwise.
In the dream; the dream is real. You dream every night. Dream is one of the greatest activities that you go on doing. If you live sixty years, twenty years you will sleep and almost ten years you will dream. Ten years in a life--nothing else do you do so much. Ten years of continuous dreaming--just think about it. And every night.... And every morning you say it was unreal, and again in the night when you dream, dream becomes real.
In a dream it is so difficult to remember that this is a dream. But in the morning it is so easy. What happens? You are the same person. In the dream there is only one reality. How to compare? How to say it is unreal? Compared to what? It is the only reality. Everything is as unreal as everything else so there is no comparison. In the morning when you open your eyes another reality is there. Now you can say it was all unreal. Compared to this reality, dream becomes unreal.
There is an awakening--compared to that reality of that awakening, this whole reality becomes unreal.
That night for the first time I understood the meaning of the word maya. Not that I had not known the word before, not that I was not aware of the meaning of the word. As you are aware, I was also aware of the meaning--but I had never understood it before. How can you understand without experience?
That night another reality opened its door, another dimension became available. Suddenly it was there, the other reality, the separate reality, the really real, or whatsoever you want to call it--call it god, call it truth, call it dhamma, call it tao, or whatsoever you will. It was nameless. But it was there--so opaque, so transparent, and yet so solid one could have touched it. It was almost suffocating me in that room. It was too much and I was not yet capable of absorbing it.
A deep urge arose in me to rush out of the room, to go under the sky--it was suffocating me. It was too much! It will kill me! If I had remained a few moments more, it would have suffocated me--it looked like that.
I rushed out of the room, came out in the street. A great urge was there just to be under the sky with the stars, with the trees, with the earth...to be with nature. And immediately as I came out, the feeling of being suffocated disappeared. It was too small a place for such a big phenomenon. Even the sky is a small place for that big phenomenon. It is bigger than the sky. Even the sky is not the limit for it. But then I felt more at ease.
I walked towards the nearest garden. It was a totally new walk, as if gravitation had disappeared. I was walking, or I was running, or I was simply flying; it was difficult to decide. There was no gravitation, I was feeling weightless--as if some energy was taking me. I was in the hands of some other energy.
For the first time I was not alone, for the first time I was no more an individual, for the first time the drop has come and fallen into the ocean. Now the whole ocean was mine, I was the ocean. There was no limitation. A tremendous power arose as if I could do anything whatsoever. I was not there, only the power was there.
I reached to the garden where I used to go every day. The garden was closed, closed for the night. It was too late, it was almost one o'clock in the night. The gardeners were fast asleep. I had to enter the garden like a thief, I had to climb the gate. But something was pulling me towards the garden. It was not within my capacity to prevent myself. I was just floating.
That's what I mean when I say again and again 'float with the river, don't push the river'. I was relaxed, I was in a let-go. I was not there. it was there, call it god--god was there.
I would like to call it it, because god is too human a word, and has become too dirty by too much use, has become too polluted by so many people. Christians, Hindus, Mohammedans, priests and politicians--they all have corrupted the beauty of the word. So let me call it it. It was there and I was just carried away...carried by a tidal wave.
The moment I entered the garden everything became luminous, it was all over the place--the benediction, the blessedness. I could see the trees for the first time--their green, their life, their very sap running. The whole garden was asleep, the trees were asleep. But I could see the whole garden alive, even the small grass leaves were so beautiful.
I looked around. One tree was tremendously luminous--the maulshree tree. It attracted me, it pulled me towards itself. I had not chosen it, god himself has chosen it. I went to the tree, I sat under the tree. As I sat there things started settling. The whole universe became a benediction.
It is difficult to say how long I was in that state. When I went back home it was four o'clock in the morning, so I must have been there by clock time at least three hours--but it was infinity. It had nothing to do with clock time. It was timeless.
Those three hours became the whole eternity, endless eternity. There was no time, there was no passage of time; it was the virgin reality--uncorrupted, untouchable, unmeasurable.
And that day something happened that has continued--not as a continuity--but it has still continued as an undercurrent. Not as a permanency--each moment it has been happening again and again. It has been a miracle each moment.
That night...and since that night I have never been in the body. I am hovering around it. I became tremendously powerful and at the same time very fragile. I became very strong, but that strength is not the strength of a Mohammed Ali. That strength is not the strength of a rock, that strength is the strength of a rose flower--so fragile in his strength...so fragile, so sensitive, so delicate.
The rock will be there, the flower can go any moment, but still the flower is stronger than the rock because it is more alive. Or, the strength of a dewdrop on a leaf of grass just shining; in the morning sun--so beautiful, so precious, and yet can slip any moment. So incomparable in its grace, but a small breeze can come and the dewdrop can slip and be lost forever.
Buddhas have a strength which is not of this world. Their strength is totally of love...Like a rose flower or a dewdrop. Their strength is very fragile, vulnerable. Their strength is the strength of life not of death. Their power is not of that which kills; their power is of that which creates. Their power is not of violence, aggression; their power is that of compassion.
But I have never been in the body again, I am just hovering around the body. And that's why I say it has been a tremendous miracle. Each moment I am surprised I am still here, I should not be. I should have left any moment, still I am here. Every morning I open my eyes and I say, 'So, again I am still here?' Because it seems almost impossible. The miracle has been a continuity.
Just the other day somebody asked a question--'Osho, you are getting so fragile and delicate and so sensitive to the smells of hair oils and shampoos that it seems we will not be able to see you unless we all go bald.' By the way, nothing is wrong with being bald--bald is beautiful. Just as 'black is beautiful', so 'bald is beautiful'. But that is true and you have to be careful about it.
I am fragile, delicate and sensitive. That is my strength. If you throw a rock at a flower nothing will happen to the rock, the flower will be gone. But still you cannot say that the rock is more powerful than the flower. The flower will be gone because the flower was alive. And the rock--nothing will happen to it because it is dead. The flower will be gone because the flower has no strength to destroy. The flower will simply disappear and give way to the rock. The rock has a power to destroy because the rock is dead.
Remember, since that day I have never been in the body really; just a delicate thread joins me with the body. And I am continuously surprised that somehow the whole must be willing me to be here, because I am no more here with my own strength, I am no more here on my own. It must be the will of the whole to keep me here, to allow me to linger a little more on this shore. Maybe the whole wants to share something with you through me.
Since that day the world is unreal. Another world has been revealed. When I say the world is unreal I don't mean that these trees are unreal. These trees are absolutely real--but the way you see these trees is unreal. These trees are not unreal in themselves--they exist in god, they exist in absolute reality--but the way you see them you never see them; you are seeing something else, a mirage.
You create your own dream around you and unless you become awake you will continue to dream. The world is unreal because the world that you know is the world of your dreams. When dreams drop and you simply encounter the world that is there, then the real world.
There are not two things, god and the world. God is the world if you have eyes, clear eyes, without any dreams, without any dust of the dreams, without any haze of sleep; if you have clear eyes, clarity, perceptiveness, there is only god.
Then somewhere god is a green tree, and somewhere else god is a shining star, and somewhere else god is a cuckoo, and somewhere else god is a flower, and somewhere else a child and somewhere else a river--then only god is. The moment you start seeing, only god is.
But right now whatsoever you see is not the truth, it is a projected lie. That is the meaning of a mirage. And once you see, even for a single split moment, if you can see, if you can allow yourself to see, you will find immense benediction present all over, everywhere--in the clouds, in the sun, on the earth.
This is a beautiful world. But I am not talking about your world, I am talking about my world. Your world is very ugly, your world is your world created by a self, your world is a projected world. You are using the real world as a screen and projecting your own ideas on it.
When I say the world is real, the world is tremendously beautiful, the world is luminous with infinity, the world is light and delight, it is a celebration, I mean my world--or your world if you drop your dreams.
When you drop your dreams you see the same world as any Buddha has ever seen. When you dream you dream privately. Have you watched it?--that dreams are private. You cannot share them even with your beloved. You cannot invite your wife to your dream--or your husband, or your friend. You cannot say, 'Now, please come tonight in my dream. I would like to see the dream together.' It is not possible. Dream is a private thing, hence it is illusory, it has no objective reality.
God is a universal thing. Once you come out of your private dreams, it is there. It has been always there. Once your eyes are clear, a sudden illumination--suddenly you are overflooded with beauty, grandeur and grace. That is the goal, that is the destiny.
Let me repeat. Without effort you will never reach it, with effort nobody has ever reached it. You will need great effort, and only then there comes a moment when effort becomes futile. But it becomes futile only when you have come to the very peak of it, never before it. When you have come to the very pinnacle of your effort--all that you can do you have done--then suddenly there is no need to do anything any more. You drop the effort.
But nobody can drop it in the middle, it can be dropped only at the extreme end. So go to the extreme end if you want to drop it. Hence I go on insisting: make as much effort as you can, put your whole energy and total heart in it, so that one day you can see--now effort is not going to lead me anywhere. And that day it will not be you who will drop the effort, it drops on its own accord. And when it drops on its own accord, meditation happens.
Meditation is not a result of your efforts, meditation is a happening. When your efforts drop, suddenly meditation is there...the benediction of it, the blessedness of it, the glory of it. It is there like a presence...luminous, surrounding you and surrounding everything. It fills the whole earth and the whole sky.
That meditation cannot be created by human effort. Human effort is too limited. That blessedness is so infinite. You cannot manipulate it. It can happen only when you are in a tremendous surrender. When you are not there only then it can happen. When you are a no-self--no desire, not going anywhere--when you are just herenow, not doing anything in particular, just being, it happens. And it comes in waves and the waves become tidal. It comes like a storm, and takes you away into a totally new reality.
But first you have to do all that you can do, and then you have to learn non-doing. The doing of the non-doing is the greatest doing, and the effort of effortlessness is the greatest effort.
Your meditation that you create by chanting a mantra or by sitting quiet and still and forcing yourself, is a very mediocre meditation. It is created by you, it cannot be bigger than you. It is homemade, and the maker is always bigger than the made. You have made it by sitting, forcing in a yoga posture, chanting 'rama, rama, rama' or anything--'blah, blah, blah'--anything. You have forced the mind to become still.
It is a forced stillness. It is not that quiet that comes when you are not there. It is not that silence which comes when you are almost non-existential. It is not that beautitude which descends on you like a dove.
It is said when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist in the Jordan River, god descended in him, or the holy ghost descended in him like a dove. Yes, that is exactly so. When you are not there peace descends in you...fluttering like a dove...reaches in your heart and abides there and abides there forever.
You are your undoing, you are the barrier. Meditation is when the meditator is not. When the mind ceases with all its activities--seeing that they are futile--then the unknown penetrates you, overwhelms you.
The mind must cease for god to be. Knowledge must cease for knowing to be. You must disappear, you must give way. You must become empty, then only you can be full.
That night I became empty and became full. I became non-existential and became existence. That night I died and was reborn. But the one that was reborn has nothing to do with that which died, it is a discontinuous thing. On the surface it looks continuous but it is discontinuous. The one who died, died totally; nothing of him has remained.
Believe me, nothing of him has remained, not even a shadow. It died totally, utterly. It is not that I am just a modified rup, transformed, modified form, transformed form of the old. No, there has been no continuity. That day of March twenty-first, the person who had lived for many many lives, for millennia, simply died. Another being, absolutely new, not connected at all with the old, started to exist.
Religion just gives you a total death. Maybe that's why the whole day previous to that happening I was feeling some urgency like death, as if I am going to die--and I really died. I have known many other deaths but they were nothing compared to it, they were partial deaths.
Sometimes the body died, sometimes a part of the mind died, sometimes a part of the ego died, but as far as the person was concerned, it remained. Renovated many times, decorated many times, changed a little bit here and there, but it remained, the continuity remained.
That night the death was total. It was a date with death and god simultaneously.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Ravus]
#7320443 - 08/22/07 02:03 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't support either one, but I have seen happiness in old couples together for a lifetime that is inexpressible, a cultivated union that does not wilt as long as their hearts beat together, and from what I see this is going to become much rarer among my generation.
I agree. I don't mean to brag, but I could probably get a decent amount of poon if I tried. The thing is... I'd much rather have a great relationship with my girlfriend than bang a bunch of dumb sluts. The whole purpose of my life is to cultivate relationships. It seems to be the one thing that gives me lasting fulfillment. Our relationship may not work out, but it's impermanence doesn't make it any less important to me.
Based on the amount of men and women that form unions for the remainder of their lives, I think most people realize this in some sense. I could not imagine going through life without having a solid connection to another human being. Life would just seem stale and pointless.
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MushmanTheManic said: I could not imagine going through life without having a solid connection to another human being. Life would just seem stale and pointless.
This is sort of where I'm at at this point in my life.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Ravus]
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You are saying promiscuity is natural human behavior? I don't know about that- historically, the majority of humans have been monogamous for extended periods of times, sometimes even lifetimes, and attach themselves to one partner whom they love.
Of course we don't count all these monogamous relationships where the partners cheat and don't tell. Or even all the fantisizing that goes on for other partners.
But what really gets me is some guy calling women sluts. What a cowardly reaction to someone else. Self-indulgent, woman fearing, bullshit. I suggest these men get a life and the courage to be real with a woman and then they will have the relationship they are looking for. These men are the maximum cowards IMO. I have absolutely no respect for their attitudes and this is the bullshit I see in the pub and otd all the fucking time. Grow up "men".
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: onlynow]
#7321357 - 08/22/07 11:25 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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but i have read of the experiences of the "satgurus/perfect masters"
Here we go again. It was in a book so it must be true, is that it?
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none of us here are satgurus, i find it absolutely rediculous if anyone here claims to be enlightened.
Why is that? Only someone you don't know may be enlightened? Someone far off and from another time and land - preferably with an inscrutable name?
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Ravus]
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Monogamy AND promiscuity are normal human behaviors. You may see one or the other as preferable, but this does not make the other abnormal.
Is it your assertion that promiscuous women are solely responsible for the transmission of HIV? Are they raping innocent men? You are still avoiding the facts--men AND women are promiscuous, just as men AND women are monogamous. Both men AND women avoid getting tested for HIV, avoid taking precautions such as using condoms and not sharing needles, avoid asking their potential partners to get tested, and so on.
I agree that U.S. culture is enamored with casual sex, shiny trinkets & planned obsolescence. This infatuation has an impact on every aspect of our socialization, including the type of relationships we will have with our sexual partners. Does this cause suffering? Not by my estimation. The cause of suffering is our grasping and attachment, our longing for what we deem "good" to continue, and what we deem "bad" to cease, our outright rejection of the nature of reality.
The nature of reality right now is that many young adults choose to be promiscuous. Will you reject this, and grasp at the illusionary "good" of times past, blaming women for the change, expressing your anger with terms like "sluts"? Sounds like an excellent way to suffer.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Veritas]
#7321636 - 08/22/07 12:49 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Zactly.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7321838 - 08/22/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Can your enlightenment fit into a .zip file?
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Lakefingers]
#7321865 - 08/22/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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It both can and canard.
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I don't support either one, but I have seen happiness in old couples together for a lifetime that is inexpressible, a cultivated union that does not wilt as long as their hearts beat together, and from what I see this is going to become much rarer among my generation.
I agree. I don't mean to brag, but I could probably get a decent amount of poon if I tried. The thing is... I'd much rather have a great relationship with my girlfriend than bang a bunch of dumb sluts. The whole purpose of my life is to cultivate relationships. It seems to be the one thing that gives me lasting fulfillment. Our relationship may not work out, but it's impermanence doesn't make it any less important to me.
Based on the amount of men and women that form unions for the remainder of their lives, I think most people realize this in some sense. I could not imagine going through life without having a solid connection to another human being. Life would just seem stale and pointless.
Well, I don't know about you, or anyone else here for that matter. But I lost my virginity late in life and sex turned out to be about the most overrated thing i've ever seen.
I feel i can pass judgement on this since I have to be approaching ( if not already there ) the triple digits in the amount of times i've done it since that first.
My opinion is that, like everything that induces joy, sex is merely an escape. As are drugs. It's about which one your introduced to first.
My first escape was mary J and to this day I feel attached to it more so then some good sex. I haven't smoked in a week and right now i'd do for a fat blunt over a good round of sex.
It's subjective, but of course it's my opinion. I was exposed to drugs as my "escape" prior to sex. Whilst others were exposed to sex prior to drugs and thus feel an addiction to sex rather then to a drug and for some odd reason, feel as though they are better then "druggys" because their addiction ( and yes, that is exactly what it is. Sex is an itch, just as an addiction to drugs is an itch ) to sex is more justified??
I guess so?
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but i have read of the experiences of the "satgurus/perfect masters"
Here we go again. It was in a book so it must be true, is that it?
i have experienced similar on smaller levels... entheogen induced ego-death, having seen what it could be like to go through a natural process of ego death without the help of anything external.
having experienced these, and having read so many experiences of these satguru's, the possibility does not stop growing. what is true is my experience, that is all. and im not going to deny what possibilities lie out there for me.
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none of us here are satgurus, i find it absolutely rediculous if anyone here claims to be enlightened.
Why is that? Only someone you don't know may be enlightened? Someone far off and from another time and land - preferably with an inscrutable name?
those who were not confined by societies conditionings and restrictions
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Lakefingers]
#7322131 - 08/22/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I prefer .rar instead.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Veritas]
#7323374 - 08/22/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Veritas said: Monogamy AND promiscuity are normal human behaviors. You may see one or the other as preferable, but this does not make the other abnormal.
Is it your assertion that promiscuous women are solely responsible for the transmission of HIV? Are they raping innocent men? You are still avoiding the facts--men AND women are promiscuous, just as men AND women are monogamous. Both men AND women avoid getting tested for HIV, avoid taking precautions such as using condoms and not sharing needles, avoid asking their potential partners to get tested, and so on.
I agree that U.S. culture is enamored with casual sex, shiny trinkets & planned obsolescence. This infatuation has an impact on every aspect of our socialization, including the type of relationships we will have with our sexual partners. Does this cause suffering? Not by my estimation. The cause of suffering is our grasping and attachment, our longing for what we deem "good" to continue, and what we deem "bad" to cease, our outright rejection of the nature of reality.
The nature of reality right now is that many young adults choose to be promiscuous. Will you reject this, and grasp at the illusionary "good" of times past, blaming women for the change, expressing your anger with terms like "sluts"? Sounds like an excellent way to suffer.
Indeed, there are some better ways to suffer than others.
Of course, I am not an unbiased perspective, and in my upbringing I saw the consequences for both males and females of uncontrolled promiscuity, and my emotional state finds it revolting. I'm not claiming to be enlightened, therefore I asked the enlightened guru Hue a simple question which seems to have no answer. It obviously inspires a great deal of passion from you and Icelander to be martyrs for the sexual revolutionaries, though. Perhaps this a flashback of your opposition to the traditional viewpoint from your rebellious days?
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Ravus]
#7323410 - 08/22/07 08:58 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Didn't you ask a question about how all women are sluts? Or was that someone pretending to be confused?
IMO people who have to worry about the "promiscuity" of others, are the ones with issues. Usually a sexual insecurity.
I'm no martyr for any revolution. I just believe that sexuality is healthy (I learned how to have an unhealthy one from the repressive sexual fears of my chaste and committed parents) and anyway that consenting folk want to experience that nature given sexuality is good and healthy.
If you need to be a judge of others on this issue I can only assume that you have a problem in this area. Join the club, but don't pass it on.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7323478 - 08/22/07 09:14 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hm, actually, I don't have any insecurities sexually to my knowledge. When I was a freshman in high school, I used to have threesomes with girls two years older than me, and a lot of the most intelligent girls I knew and respected were fucking multiple guys in a night. At the time, I was thinking how awesome it was, how liberal everyone's becoming, how it'll be like Brave New World before we know it.
But now, my perspective has changed on the matter, and it's not because of any insecurity I have to my knowledge (I could be in denial, but I seriously doubt it.) It's just that now these girls seem worn out, they seem jaded because how much do you have to look forward to when you fuck out of control in your teenage years? I think there actually was something to saving your virginity until marriage, because now that I'd actually want to have a serious relationship with a girl rather than having one-night stands or getting her and her buddies to suck me off, all I can think of is all the guys who were my friends have already been with her, that it's not protected ground anymore.
Nor do I see how STDs and pregnancy are healthy either. Psychologically, I'd say a majority of both the girls and guys I know who were the most promiscuous are the most fucked up. One of my best buddy's girlfriend has fucked him up so much, and she's probably the sluttiest girl ever. You say promiscuous sexuality is healthy for some reason, but it leads to such extremely selfish behavior that I couldn't imagine how it could be healthy for any group.
For example, this girl is not even eighteen yet and she's had two abortions, gotten a guy arrested for statutory and fucked up the friendships of the entire social circle I used to know. She got my close buddy, her boyfriend, to pay for half of her abortion (though he didn't know how much of it he has paying) while the guy who actually got her pregnant while she was dating my good buddy paid the other half! And the funny part is, her boyfriend thought it was his kid he was aborting, but it wasn't. And this is just one example- I could tell you too many stories to count of how fucked up and selfish the young generation is getting. They're addicted to losing themselves in coke, drinking everyday and having sex with anybody and everybody, and the effects of it have damaged a great deal of people. I know this because when I was this selfish too, I used to fuck other dude's girlfriends, get them into threesomes when both of the girls had other boyfriends, and I wouldn't give a shit and neither would they because I had no compassion for people. But the lack of compassion in the young years will likely lead to a life-long lack of compassion for the effects of our actions, and society is not going to be in the best shape for it.
You're also putting words in my mouth, I said a lot of girls are sluts, as similar to the above example. I never said "all women", because there are so many shining exceptions of selfless individuals who have true love for others, but in general selfish promiscuity is just one more example of the behavior that will lead to the unravelling of society now. At least I'm trying to change myself for the better, but instead all of these people I know my age and younger are having their behavior condoned by you and others who think their lives are healthy.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: shizznit]
#7323720 - 08/22/07 10:17 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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shizznit said: Well, I don't know about you, or anyone else here for that matter. But I lost my virginity late in life and sex turned out to be about the most overrated thing i've ever seen.
I feel i can pass judgement on this since I have to be approaching ( if not already there ) the triple digits in the amount of times i've done it since that first.
My opinion is that, like everything that induces joy, sex is merely an escape. As are drugs. It's about which one your introduced to first.
My first escape was mary J and to this day I feel attached to it more so then some good sex. I haven't smoked in a week and right now i'd do for a fat blunt over a good round of sex.
It's subjective, but of course it's my opinion. I was exposed to drugs as my "escape" prior to sex. Whilst others were exposed to sex prior to drugs and thus feel an addiction to sex rather then to a drug and for some odd reason, feel as though they are better then "druggys" because their addiction ( and yes, that is exactly what it is. Sex is an itch, just as an addiction to drugs is an itch ) to sex is more justified??
I guess so?
Sex and drugs are a form of escape? Escape from what? From reality? I'd say that both sex and drugs (as well as everything else in this life) ARE reality. I think it's sad to look at them as a form of escape and I think it's unhealthy and a form of escaping personal responsibility to make them look like that. Those who sustain that are probably just looking for excuses for their own failures and also running away from feeling guilty. Why should we feel guilty for having sex? Or doing drugs? My advice to anybody who feels this way is just to stop doing them. Feeling guilt in things that give pleasure and joy are reflecting the psychological issues that one has, it doesn't mean that they themselves are "wrong". It is exactly this kind of mentality that creates so much confusion and a big part of the people who think this way are under the risk of becoming fundamentalists. And I think that if we choose to observe the facts that are being presented by reality, we can see where fundamentalism leads us. I feel really sad when I hear somebody thinking this way about pleasure. This mentality a form of escape, not the acts that crate pleasure. I'm sure you can note the difference.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7323731 - 08/22/07 10:22 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good post.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Ravus]
#7323838 - 08/22/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hm, actually, I don't have any insecurities sexually to my knowledge. When I was a freshman in high school, I used to have threesomes with girls two years older than me, and a lot of the most intelligent girls I knew and respected were fucking multiple guys in a night. At the time, I was thinking how awesome it was, how liberal everyone's becoming, how it'll be like Brave New World before we know it.
But now, my perspective has changed on the matter, and it's not because of any insecurity I have to my knowledge (I could be in denial, but I seriously doubt it.) It's just that now these girls seem worn out, they seem jaded because how much do you have to look forward to when you fuck out of control in your teenage years? I think there actually was something to saving your virginity until marriage, because now that I'd actually want to have a serious relationship with a girl rather than having one-night stands or getting her and her buddies to suck me off, all I can think of is all the guys who were my friends have already been with her, that it's not protected ground anymore.
There was something to saving your virginity until marriage? Like... living a repressed life, full of dead shady monsters running wild in one's imagination while pretending to be pure and waiting for Mr. or Mrs. right? And tell me, if one doesn't have the necessary experience (provided by a life when one chooses to have the freedom to explore his or her own sexuality as well as feelings), how can one when they meet the right person? I find this idea not only full of obvious mistakes regarding the way reality actually happens, but also a form of trying to create a world where one has to pretend even more. Isn't it enough already with all the pretending and fake morality that takes place around us? You feel like we have to add more? Tell me how exactly remaining a virgin until marriage can make this world a better place? People can be "promiscuous" in thinking too. They don't necessarily need to have one night stands to fit that description. What about the cases where people simply choose, out of their own free will, not to get married? Should they be condemned to chastity until the day they die, only because they don't have to propagate their "promiscuity" in this world? Does your idea have any applicable, practical appliance in the real world?
Again, the life you choose to have is your personal business and nobody should interfere with that. Or judge you. As well as you don't have any right to judge those people for the life they choose to have. If you don't like don't do it. Simple as that.
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Nor do I see how STDs and pregnancy are healthy either. Psychologically, I'd say a majority of both the girls and guys I know who were the most promiscuous are the most fucked up. One of my best buddy's girlfriend has fucked him up so much, and she's probably the sluttiest girl ever. You say promiscuous sexuality is healthy for some reason, but it leads to such extremely selfish behavior that I couldn't imagine how it could be healthy for any group.
For example, this girl is not even eighteen yet and she's had two abortions, gotten a guy arrested for statutory and fucked up the friendships of the entire social circle I used to know.
That guy consented the relationship and knew what he was getting himself into. He wasn't arrested because of her, he was arrested because of his own stupidity. Big big difference. Those friendships that were "fucked up by her" were actually ruined because those people were unable to maintain a friendship and because they acted irresponsible too, it always take two sides for this kind of game. How is it entirely her fault? We all pay for our mistakes, we all know what what we're getting ourselves into (even if we choose to realize it or not), not because someone else made us to them. Playing the victim is a form of escapism.
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She got my close buddy, her boyfriend, to pay for half of her abortion (though he didn't know how much of it he has paying) while the guy who actually got her pregnant while she was dating my good buddy paid the other half! And the funny part is, her boyfriend thought it was his kid he was aborting, but it wasn't. And this is just one example- I could tell you too many stories to count of how fucked up and selfish the young generation is getting. They're addicted to losing themselves in coke, drinking everyday and having sex with anybody and everybody, and the effects of it have damaged a great deal of people. I know this because when I was this selfish too, I used to fuck other dude's girlfriends, get them into threesomes when both of the girls had other boyfriends, and I wouldn't give a shit and neither would they because I had no compassion for people. But the lack of compassion in the young years will likely lead to a life-long lack of compassion for the effects of our actions, and society is not going to be in the best shape for it.
The young generation is behaving the way it is because it's reflecting all the problems a society is having. Everything has a reason and if we really want to stop pretending and playing the blame game, we will actually be able to see beyond appearances. See the reasons behind everything, and understand every fact and action. And how are we then able to judge anymore, when we can understand why things are happening the way they do?
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You're also putting words in my mouth, I said a lot of girls are sluts, as similar to the above example. I never said "all women", because there are so many shining exceptions of selfless individuals who have true love for others, but in general selfish promiscuity is just one more example of the behavior that will lead to the unravelling of society now. At least I'm trying to change myself for the better, but instead all of these people I know my age and younger are having their behavior condoned by you and others who think their lives are healthy.
And how do you know that your way is the "good" way? It might be good for you, I can't and won't argue with that, but saying that everybody should follow your path is a really disturbing way of choosing to live life. You yourself said that you used to have this kind of life style. Can't you at least have the decency to allow others to make their own "mistakes" and learn the lessons they want to learn? Why impose anything to anybody? And why all this judging? This is all so superficial and tendentious in my opinion.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Lakefingers]
#7324088 - 08/23/07 12:14 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Ravus]
#7324813 - 08/23/07 08:53 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, you clearly do not have an unbiased perspective. All of your negative comments are directed towards women, though you say that you saw the consequences of both male AND female promiscuity.
I'm not defending a sexual lifestyle in which both partners disregard their health and reproductive capacity. My comments were directed towards the obvious double standard you expressed. If promiscuous women are "sluts," then so are promiscuous men. If promiscuous men are not sluts, then neither are promiscuous women.
There is nothing wrong with sexual exploration and experimentation. There is no such thing as "sin," and there are no victims in consensual sexual relationships. The mistakes you are discussing have nothing to do with sexuality, but everything to do with immaturity and irresponsibility. I think that it is important to recognize the difference.
"Saving yourself" until marriage is only one option among many, and it is one in which I cannot see much merit. Marriage is difficult enough as it is, without adding the complication of sexual incompatibility. Mature, experienced partners are much more capable of choosing an appropriate spouse, and establishing a healthy sexual relationship is an important prerequisite to choosing to create a legal partnership.
But, each to his/her own. If you would rather have a virgin wife, that is your choice. If you would rather regret the sexual explorations of your youth, so be it. But my "rebellious days" are far from over, and sowing my wild oats yielded a harvest beyond my wildest imaginings, so I do not have an iota of regret.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Ravus]
#7325418 - 08/23/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think there actually was something to saving your virginity until marriage, because now that I'd actually want to have a serious relationship with a girl rather than having one-night stands or getting her and her buddies to suck me off, all I can think of is all the guys who were my friends have already been with her, that it's not protected ground anymore.
Frankly I think your attitude is prudish and self serving. You have been the "slut" according to your posts and yet you vilify others for doing what you indulged in. And now you want to quit and point your fingers because you now believe something different that is of course another random change of mind. Tomorrow you will be on to something else. The venom in the song you posted along with the use of the negative word slut doesn't convince me that you don't hate and fear women.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: redgreenvines]
#7335327 - 08/26/07 03:19 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7335956 - 08/26/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: I have found myself to have become totally spiritually enlightened in every way. I have eliminated the last shreds of ego and self importance, and have entered into a permanent state of enlightened spiritual bliss. I know that to share my wisdom here (or anywhere really) is literally like casting "pearls before swine", but the ranks of the enlightened (who are few) are burdened with the onerous responsibility of helping those much less fortunate by sharing occasional nuggets of wisdom with the ignorant. So if anyone has any questions about enlightenment I may find a moment here to answer them...free of charge for now.
so you had a good ego death and felt refreshed the next day. it happens to me all the time. it doesn't mean you're fucking god or something.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: cLOUDDEAD]
#7336010 - 08/26/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Can you say satire?
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: cLOUDDEAD]
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it doesn't mean you're fucking god or something.
Why would I want to be God? I have transcended God. ..and ego death? What is that?
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7336125 - 08/26/07 12:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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i was implying that your "enlightenment" has made you a little self-absorbed. there is no god to transcend. and if you "eliminated the last shreds of ego" you wouldn't even be able to say you "have found yourself to have become totally spiritually enlightened in every way". it's just ridiculous. smoke some weed, pop an h-bomb and chill.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: cLOUDDEAD]
#7336446 - 08/26/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Of course I AM NOT self absorbed! I exhibit zero self importance. How dare you suggest it. Other people tell me how enlightened I am constantly, so my remarks carry much weight.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7336571 - 08/26/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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how long did it take this enlightenment to bloom?
and was it from shrooms or lsd or what?
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: cLOUDDEAD]
#7336586 - 08/26/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was born that way. Drugs certainly won't do the trick. I took one hit of acid once, but it was way too scary and disturbing to elicit any sort of philosophically based reaction. I am more into repeating patterns and comfort. I am seeking to enlighten people to the possibilities of functioning from our culturally defined programs in order to find peace and comfort.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
Edited by Huehuecoyotl (08/26/07 02:53 PM)
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cLOUDDEAD
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7336622 - 08/26/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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i know what you mean about acid. the first time i did it i ending up summoning satan from the ground. not very fun.
what is your reason for posting on shroomery?
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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: cLOUDDEAD]
#7336898 - 08/26/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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the first time i did it i ending up summoning satan from the ground.
Yeah, I hate it when that happens. I post on the shroomery because enlightened beings manifest things so efficiently that they don't have to work. This leaves me with a lot of free time, and I get bored.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: cLOUDDEAD]
#7337118 - 08/26/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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His whole post is a fucking sarcastic joke.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7337125 - 08/26/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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He knows it already.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7337133 - 08/26/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7337142 - 08/26/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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So who is this puppet?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7337148 - 08/26/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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The dude said he summoned Satan on his first acid trip...come on...get a clue...
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7337158 - 08/26/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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oh, yeah, figures.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7337165 - 08/26/07 05:39 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, I thought I was trolling him pretty well until he tried to troll me.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7337184 - 08/26/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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No trolling, you know the rules. Without rules there is chaos.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7337190 - 08/26/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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from the beginning i thought you were fucking around, yet you sounded so serious so i couldn't make up my mind. guess i know you a little more now
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: onlynow]
#7337210 - 08/26/07 05:46 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hue hue is empty, so fucking around is all he does now.
Keep it to yourself though as his wife doesn't know.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7337329 - 08/26/07 06:13 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not only am I empty...I am also seamless...so the emptiness can't be filled.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7337350 - 08/26/07 06:17 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: The dude said he summoned Satan on his first acid trip...come on...get a clue...
Everyone knows it is almost impossible to summon Satan until at least your third trip.
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Icelander
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Not if you grew up in a Baptist household. Satan is a regular there.
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I summoned Satan on my second trip. I used a one-trip discount coupon I got out of a wicca magazine I picked up at the book store.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7337501 - 08/26/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually Hue one is not considered to be enlightened around here until their 14,000th post. Obviously, you have a long way to go. Some others here might be closer to that coveted experience. I don't ever look at my post total but I do feel enlightenment cumming on.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7337621 - 08/26/07 07:26 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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it doesn't mean you're fucking god or something.
Why would I want to be God? I have transcended God. ..and ego death? What is that?
Its nothing to do with being God, it concerns intercourse with God. The good old in out in out, a la virgin Mary. He wants you to bend God over, and fuck her in the ass.
Congratulations for transcending God too, transcending something that doesnt exist takes not a little skill and perseverance.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: mr_kite]
#7337646 - 08/26/07 07:32 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its nothing to do with being God, it concerns intercourse with God. The good old in out in out, a la virgin Mary. He wants you to bend God over, and fuck her in the ass.
Congratulations for transcending God too, transcending something that doesnt exist takes not a little skill and perseverance.
Righteous post dude.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7340541 - 08/27/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Hue hue is empty, so fucking around is all he does now.
Keep it to yourself though as his wife doesn't know.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#7340543 - 08/27/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Actually Hue one is not considered to be enlightened around here until their 14,000th post. Obviously, you have a long way to go. Some others here might be closer to that coveted experience. I don't ever look at my post total but I do feel enlightenment cumming on.
14,000 posts! thats a lotta internal chatter
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: onlynow]
#7340852 - 08/27/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Being enlightened is quite boring..What else to do in life except aspiring to be enlightened the whole time?.hm.
-------------------- I have good news and I have bad news: The bad news is that there is no key to the universe. The good news is that the door has never been locked. http://www.thegreatillusion.com/
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: onlynow]
#7340858 - 08/27/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Actually Hue one is not considered to be enlightened around here until their 14,000th post. Obviously, you have a long way to go. Some others here might be closer to that coveted experience. I don't ever look at my post total but I do feel enlightenment cumming on.
14,000 posts! thats a lotta internal chatter
Ain't dat da truth.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (08/27/07 03:10 PM)
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7340866 - 08/27/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dude, enlightenment is totally gay.
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Icelander
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I'm beginning to agree with you.
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Who asked you? Enlightened people don't associate with your kind anyhow.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7341051 - 08/27/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Look who's talking. You only have 7k posts!
/me bows to the almost-enlightened Ice
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Diploid]
#7341214 - 08/27/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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"I am more into repeating patterns and comfort. I am seeking to enlighten people to the possibilities of functioning from our culturally defined programs in order to find peace and comfort."
Might you drive a Dodge Magnum and hang a Plasma over the fireplace?? Nice rock-work Mr. Headstrong, and BTW new floor to ceiling windows in front really brighten up the house.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Diploid]
#7341241 - 08/27/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Look who's talking. You only have 7k posts!
/me bows to the almost-enlightened Ice
Soon cum and highly unlikely Jah.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#8424216 - 05/20/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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the point is, if you are truly enlightened, you cannot pass the knowledge on to any one else very easily, because you know the ultimate truth.
you've got to go and be alone and maybe others will figure it out, but probably not.
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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: panjandrum]
#8424279 - 05/20/08 02:14 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Holy necromancy, you're reviving them zombies !
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