Home | Community | Message Board


Everything Mushrooms
Please support our sponsors.

General Interest >> Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Jump to first unread post. Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | Next >  [ show all ]
OfflinePhluck
Carpal Tunnel
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/11/99
Posts: 11,393
Loc: Canada
Last seen: 1 year, 1 month
What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened?
    #3409720 - 11/25/04 10:40 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Anything?


--------------------
"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineMixomatosis
great ape

Registered: 10/28/03
Posts: 1,306
Loc: cipherland
Last seen: 4 years, 2 months
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Phluck]
    #3409756 - 11/25/04 10:46 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Well, in the first example one is actually enlightened, and in the next example, one isn't enlightened, but one thinks one is. One is like a goose.


Edited by Mixomatosis (11/25/04 10:53 PM)


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Stranger
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/14/04
Posts: 10,344
Loc: On the Border
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3409787 - 11/25/04 10:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

First you need to define enlightenment in order to decide if you are.


--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineDivided_Sky
Ten ThousandThings

Registered: 11/02/03
Posts: 3,171
Loc: The Shining Void
Last seen: 8 years, 9 months
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3409829 - 11/25/04 10:59 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Mixomatosis said:
Well, in the first example one is actually enlightened, and in the next example, one isn't enlightened, but one thinks one is.




yep. :grin:pretty simple.


--------------------
1. "After an hour I wasn't feeling anything so I decided to take another..."
2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleSkorpivoMusterion
Livin in theTwilight Zone...
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/30/03
Posts: 9,946
Loc: You can't spell fungus wi...
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Phluck]
    #3409830 - 11/25/04 10:59 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

The difference is that one is built on a root of a falseness/misconception that will eventually be disclosed by reality.
The other is substantially stable as the perennial truth/ultimate good by which they are enlightened.



--------------------
Coffee should be black as hell, strong as death, and sweet as love.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleFucknuckle
Dog Lover

Registered: 04/24/04
Posts: 6,762
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Phluck]
    #3409846 - 11/25/04 11:07 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

When you are truly Enlightened things happen that you can not explain. You become wiser past your understanding. You just know things that others don't and you have zero ego knowing these things. People around you will know that you are enlightened.

When truly in this state you are very different and you are aware of it but without saying so.

I once was a enlightened person and this is what I noticed.


--------------------
What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineStrumpling
Neuronaut
Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 7,571
Loc: Hyperspace
Last seen: 5 years, 9 months
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Phluck]
    #3409852 - 11/25/04 11:09 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

"What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened?"

Same as the difference between KNOWING something, and BELIEVING you know something


--------------------
Insert an "I think" mentally in front of eveything I say that seems sketchy, because I certainly don't KNOW much. Also; feel free to yell at me.
In addition: SHPONGLE


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleFucknuckle
Dog Lover

Registered: 04/24/04
Posts: 6,762
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Strumpling]
    #3409923 - 11/25/04 11:25 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

That does not answer the question at all.


--------------------
What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflinePedM
Interested In Your Brain
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 08/31/99
Posts: 5,494
Loc: Canada
Last seen: 3 months, 5 days
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3410903 - 11/26/04 03:26 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

One is a delusion, the other is freedom from all delusions.


--------------------


:poison: Dark Triangles - New Psychedelic Techno Single - Listen on Soundcloud :poison:
Gyroscope full album available SoundCloud or MySpace


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleDiploidM
Cuban

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Phluck]
    #3411224 - 11/26/04 05:32 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

The enlightened person will always know that he/she has achieved it by the knowledge and wisdom that comes from self-discovery, and will always be unsure by the humility that comes with enlightenment.

Get it?


--------------------
Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleLoosifa
none
 User Gallery

Registered: 05/26/04
Posts: 506
Loc: England (South) Flag
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Ped]
    #3411325 - 11/26/04 07:38 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Ped said:
One is a delusion, the other is freedom from all delusions.



Ooh, I like that.
On a side note, when people discuss enlightenment, it seems to be in the context of total enlightenment.  Maybe it's a gradual thing.  Maybe one can never be totally enlightened, because of the nature of enlightenment.
Not that I really know anything.  Although I sometimes THINK I do...... :crazy2:


--------------------
LURK


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineGomp
¡(Bound to·(O))be free!
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/11/04
Posts: 10,866
Loc: I re·side [primarily] in...
Last seen: 5 months, 13 days
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Loosifa]
    #3411374 - 11/26/04 08:29 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

""What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened?""

belief vs. not believing? ?

:confused: :heart:


--------------------


--------------------
Disclaimer!?


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 20,244
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Gomp]
    #3411400 - 11/26/04 09:07 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

one does not add to darkness


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibledorkus
don't look back
 User Gallery
Registered: 04/12/04
Posts: 1,511
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3411467 - 11/26/04 10:19 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

No difference?

The power of the mind. Convince yourself and make it happen?

What is enlightenment really? Does it exist as a final state?


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineGomp
¡(Bound to·(O))be free!
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/11/04
Posts: 10,866
Loc: I re·side [primarily] in...
Last seen: 5 months, 13 days
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: dorkus]
    #3411504 - 11/26/04 10:44 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

in appeasement in light? :P


--------------------


--------------------
Disclaimer!?


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 20,244
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Gomp]
    #3411573 - 11/26/04 11:10 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

the only final state is a state of change or paradox.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineMarkostheGnostic
Elder
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/10/99
Posts: 12,822
Loc: South Florida Flag
Last seen: 9 hours, 27 minutes
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Phluck]
    #3411899 - 11/26/04 12:52 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I am more Enlightened at this moment than I was at the beginning of my conscious journey to Enlightenment some 30 years ago. We can only compare ourselves to ourselves, our present progress to our past progress. One cannot compare oneself to other beings in this regard. It is not a contest and it is always then a matter of 'comparing apples to oranges.' We must become the fullest individuals that we were intended to be, we are not intended to be anyone else but ourselves. In the words of BE HERE NOW: 'You are the desire to become Enlightened. You are Enlightened.' Of course, the Work is to Realize that, and Realization means manifestation in thoughts, words and deeds.


--------------------
γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisiblegettinjiggywithit
jiggy
Female User Gallery

Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 7,469
Loc: Heart of Laughter
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3413038 - 11/26/04 06:32 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

That was well put Markos! :thumbup:


--------------------
Ahuwale ka nane huna.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 20,244
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3413255 - 11/26/04 07:42 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I think it is too chained up in logic.
when you put it so.
those chains, to me, are darknesses.

though you are very right about the path being work,
enlightenment is not the ideas, nor the work:
it is the clear view.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineStrumpling
Neuronaut
Registered: 10/11/02
Posts: 7,571
Loc: Hyperspace
Last seen: 5 years, 9 months
Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3413498 - 11/26/04 08:49 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

"That does not answer the question at all."

OK let's try another idea:

The englightened one is never convinced of their own enlightenment.


--------------------
Insert an "I think" mentally in front of eveything I say that seems sketchy, because I certainly don't KNOW much. Also; feel free to yell at me.
In addition: SHPONGLE


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Jump to top. Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | Next >  [ show all ]

General Interest >> Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Shrooms: Divine Insight or Delusions of Grandeur?
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
Sclorch 6,100 86 04/29/03 06:04 AM
by Shroomism
* Show me an enlightened man
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
RoseM 6,752 104 08/21/08 10:25 AM
by Icelander
* Enlightenment Cant be reached
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
EvilGir 6,144 83 04/17/16 11:33 PM
by circastes
* Are hippies enlightened?
( 1 2 3 all )
Dogomush 4,022 49 11/04/03 07:46 AM
by Anonymous
* The sensitive subject of ENLIGHTENMENT!!!
( 1 2 all )
donXochi 2,829 25 08/30/07 07:52 PM
by Icelander
* When does a belief become a delusion?
( 1 2 all )
MOTH 2,763 29 09/15/04 07:21 AM
by redgreenvines
* zen enlightenment... *DELETED* OkEyToKeY 931 14 10/23/02 01:04 PM
by Sclorch
* I have been Enlightened... but only for a moment
( 1 2 all )
hashclown 1,595 33 12/15/08 03:01 AM
by thedudenj

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, CosmicJoke, Diploid, DividedQuantum
3,643 topic views. 1 members, 7 guests and 21 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Toggle Favorite | Print Topic | Stats ]
Search this thread:
Phytoextractum
Please support our sponsors.

Copyright 1997-2017 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.054 seconds spending 0.005 seconds on 16 queries.