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 Phluck
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 What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? 
#3409720 - 11/25/04 08:40 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anything?
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Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Phluck]
#3409756 - 11/25/04 08:46 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, in the first example one is actually enlightened, and in the next example, one isn't enlightened, but one thinks one is. One is like a goose.
Edited by Mixomatosis (11/25/04 08:53 PM)
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Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Mixomatosis]
#3409787 - 11/25/04 08:51 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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First you need to define enlightenment in order to decide if you are.
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Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Mixomatosis]
#3409829 - 11/25/04 08:59 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mixomatosis said:
Well, in the first example one is actually enlightened, and in the next example, one isn't enlightened, but one thinks one is.
yep.  pretty simple.
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Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Phluck]
#3409830 - 11/25/04 08:59 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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The difference is that one is built on a root of a falseness/misconception that will eventually be disclosed by reality.
The other is substantially stable as the perennial truth/ultimate good by which they are enlightened.
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Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Phluck]
#3409846 - 11/25/04 09:07 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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When you are truly Enlightened things happen that you can not explain. You become wiser past your understanding. You just know things that others don't and you have zero ego knowing these things. People around you will know that you are enlightened.
When truly in this state you are very different and you are aware of it but without saying so.
I once was a enlightened person and this is what I noticed.
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Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Phluck]
#3409852 - 11/25/04 09:09 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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"What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened?"
Same as the difference between KNOWING something, and BELIEVING you know something
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Insert an "I think" mentally in front of eveything I say that seems sketchy, because I certainly don't KNOW much. Also; feel free to yell at me.
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Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Strumpling]
#3409923 - 11/25/04 09:25 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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That does not answer the question at all.
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Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3410903 - 11/26/04 01:26 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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One is a delusion, the other is freedom from all delusions.
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 Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Phluck]
#3411224 - 11/26/04 03:32 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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The enlightened person will always know that he/she has achieved it by the knowledge and wisdom that comes from self-discovery, and will always be unsure by the humility that comes with enlightenment.
Get it?
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 Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Ped]
#3411325 - 11/26/04 05:38 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Ped said:
One is a delusion, the other is freedom from all delusions.
Ooh, I like that.
On a side note, when people discuss enlightenment, it seems to be in the context of total enlightenment. Maybe it's a gradual thing. Maybe one can never be totally enlightened, because of the nature of enlightenment.
Not that I really know anything. Although I sometimes THINK I do...... 
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Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Loosifa]
#3411374 - 11/26/04 06:29 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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""What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened?""
belief vs. not believing? ?
 
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Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Gomp]
#3411400 - 11/26/04 07:07 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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one does not add to darkness
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Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: dorkus]
#3411504 - 11/26/04 08:44 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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in appeasement in light? :P
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Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Gomp]
#3411573 - 11/26/04 09:10 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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the only final state is a state of change or paradox.
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Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Phluck]
#3411899 - 11/26/04 10:52 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am more Enlightened at this moment than I was at the beginning of my conscious journey to Enlightenment some 30 years ago. We can only compare ourselves to ourselves, our present progress to our past progress. One cannot compare oneself to other beings in this regard. It is not a contest and it is always then a matter of 'comparing apples to oranges.' We must become the fullest individuals that we were intended to be, we are not intended to be anyone else but ourselves. In the words of BE HERE NOW: 'You are the desire to become Enlightened. You are Enlightened.' Of course, the Work is to Realize that, and Realization means manifestation in thoughts, words and deeds.
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Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#3413038 - 11/26/04 04:32 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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That was well put Markos! 
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Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#3413255 - 11/26/04 05:42 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it is too chained up in logic.
when you put it so.
those chains, to me, are darknesses.
though you are very right about the path being work,
enlightenment is not the ideas, nor the work:
it is the clear view.
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Re: What's the difference between enlightenment, and convincing yourself you're enlightened? [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3413498 - 11/26/04 06:49 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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"That does not answer the question at all."
OK let's try another idea:
The englightened one is never convinced of their own enlightenment.
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Insert an "I think" mentally in front of eveything I say that seems sketchy, because I certainly don't KNOW much. Also; feel free to yell at me.
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