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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Paleocon]
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Paleocon said:
No intuition is how we know right and wrong, but God determines our intuition, and provides the justification for doing what is right.


So then God determined Hitler's intuition that Jews were evil and needed to be exterminated.  Lovely. :cheers:


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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Paleocon]
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Paleocon said:
No, God does not change his mind.


Then the term "new covenant" is meaningless, and you are a sinner for not killing Ms. Cleo.


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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
All evidence is ultimately intuition

Guess what my intuition tells me about you?


Obviously you are angry at me because I questioned your belief system and showed your arguments to be lacking.

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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
Paleocon said:
No intuition is how we know right and wrong, but God determines our intuition, and provides the justification for doing what is right.


So then God determined Hitler's intuition that Jews were evil and needed to be exterminated.


No Hitler chose to ignore his God-given intuition.

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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
Paleocon said:
No, God does not change his mind.


Then the term "new covenant" is meaningless, and you are a sinner for not killing Ms. Cleo.


Show me anywhere in the New Testament where Jesus asks us to kill fortune tellers.

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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Paleocon]
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Paleocon said:
God determines our intuition


Then I guess hes really down with giving people an intuition to rape little boys.  Mmmmm little boys, thank you god :yummy:
Edit: damn you beat me to it

Edited by TheCow (12/09/07 01:57 PM)

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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Paleocon]
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Paleocon said:
No Hitler chose to ignore his God-given intuition.


I see. So you are psychic and therefore can determine what Hitler's intuition told him. I think the Bible's injunctions now justify killing you.


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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Paleocon]
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Paleocon said:
Show me anywhere in the New Testament where Jesus asks us to kill fortune tellers.


It says so in the Old Testament, and thus we are left with 3 options:

1. The Old Testament is a lie, and it was never permitted to kill fortune tellers.
2. There is no "New Covenant" which overrides Mosaic Law.
3. God changed his mind and decided to create a new set of laws.

So which is it?


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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: TheCow]
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TheCow said:
Paleocon said:
God determines our intuition


Then I guess hes really down with giving people an intuition to rape little boys.


No, he gives people moral intuitions. Like I said they can choose to ignore them.

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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
Paleocon said:
Show me anywhere in the New Testament where Jesus asks us to kill fortune tellers.


It says so in the Old Testament, and thus we are left with 3 options:

1. The Old Testament is a lie, and it was never permitted to kill fortune tellers.
2. There is no "New Covenant" which overrides Mosaic Law.



What? That doesn't make any sense. Because it says so in the OD now means we don't get a new covenant in the NT? How come?

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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Paleocon]
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Why did you leave out the third option? Why must you be so disingenuous? Does your God condone such dishonest behavior?


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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
Paleocon said:
No Hitler chose to ignore his God-given intuition.


I see. So you are psychic and therefore can determine what Hitler's intuition told him.


You just said Hitler's intuition told him to kill Jews. Now you are arguing that we can't know it. Please, at least try to be consistent.

The fact is I know people have a moral sense because we can choose to be any way we want and we are all the same with respect to our intuitions. Why would we be any different?

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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
Why did you leave out the third option? Why must you be so disingenuous? Does your God condone such dishonest behavior?


Because the second option didn't make any sense, and the third option has already been dealt with in this thread.

God is not changing his mind on murder, only how to enforce his will. God sanction killing is not murder by definition. In both cases then murder is wrong, it's whether or not God asks you to kill that differs.

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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Paleocon]
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Paleocon said:
Please, at least try to be consistent.


:lol:  This is pure gold coming from you.

Quote:
The fact is I know people have a moral sense because we can choose to be any way we want and we are all the same with respect to our intuitions. Why would we be any different?


I don't know.  Try going to India and eating steak.  See how people react, with their God-given intuition that cows are sacred.


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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Paleocon]
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Paleocon said:
Icelander said:
All evidence is ultimately intuition

Guess what my intuition tells me about you?


Obviously you are angry at me because I questioned your belief system and showed your arguments to be lacking.


No not quite. You make me laugh because you're entertaining and I have never stated my belief system. You may try again if you would like.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Paleocon]
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Paleocon said:
it's whether or not God asks you to kill that differs.


And therefore God has changed his mind.


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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Silversoul]
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:lol: This is pure gold coming from you.

Thank god for the fundumbmentalists. :lol:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Icelander]
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I wish they were a little more "fun" and a little less "mental."


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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
I don't know. Try going to India and eating steak. See how people react, with their God-given intuition that cows are sacred.


So you think its right to murder people in order to save a cow? Because if you think it's wrong then *ding* you are arguing that their moral code is less legitimate then your own.

Edited by Paleocon (12/09/07 02:15 PM)

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Re: Why God (or some Higher Power) is needed for morality [Re: Silversoul]
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I just can't get mad at the little buggers anymore. Posting with them has helped me work that out. I now just try to have some fun with them and spread the joy. Besides, they're terrified and so cannot help being the way they are.Their god just made them a little bit dysfunctional because he has a sense of humor but lacks compassion.:lol:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (12/09/07 02:17 PM)

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