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Intuition is NOT truth.
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Some here are claiming that their intuition tells them what the truth is and so they do not need fact or proof for their beliefs to be true.

But as someone looking rationally at it will soon observe that two separate people can have intuitive feelings about truth that are at total odds with each other.

Of course it's easy for the human ego to convince oneself that their intuition is superior or the real thing or that the other person isn't really in touch with their intuitive self. But once again the first party is telling you what "truth" is without having any concrete evidence.

Don't buy into this power play. Trust yourself, believe whatever you want, and remember that it's just your personal belief and has nothing to do with "truth" for anyone but you. (as far as you know or can prove) This is honesty and humility. Wonderful and rare traits in humanity. IMO it's good to cultivate them.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: Icelander]
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It's interesting to try on different beliefs and then see how you start percieving people's posts or the people themselves on this forum. It's really trippy sometimes :bongload:


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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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Well as far as Christianity goes I certainly have. I grew up fundamentalist. Dropped it and then picked it up again in my early 20s as a fundamentalist Jesus freak. I've taken a pretty good look and been a true believer.

But that is a good thing to do. It gives perspective and can show you how your beliefs are just personal preferences and mental creations based on fears and insecurities, and desires and wishes.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: Icelander]
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You obviously missed or forgot my thread a month or two back about the two-tiered intuition system.


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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: Icelander]
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Right. By no means does changing your belief system get you any closer to the truth. It's just something we do for various reasons, sometimes I do it just for fun.


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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Refresh our memory.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: Icelander]
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Is that you, Al? Try the Search Function.


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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7411284#7411284

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: Veritas]
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VEE to the rescue!


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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: Icelander]
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wow man. lets not have anybody question what is actually going on here.

submit to rationality. you see how closed and dead that is?

i think it is an interesting phenomena that we all have our own "truths." this idea that we are not brothers and sisters of common origin.

honesty and humility huh?

well if you love honesty, then you love truth. and since there are so many conflicting ideas here, there must be lies. who is lying here?

humility... but speak the truth boldly.

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: palmersc]
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People don't necessarily lie when they believe something incorrect is true. We all do this.

who is lying here?

Well since you are asking this question wanting an answer, I would say that you are. I hope this satisfies you.

I think we are all of common origin. I just don't believe in your ideas of what that common origin is and I am honest enough to admit that I don't know if what I believe is true and IMO you are not honest enough to admit to that. That's really the only difference here that I can see.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
People don't necessarily lie when they believe something incorrect is true.


I agree.

So there must be a lot of confusion and falsehood if we cannot agree.

We are all learning. But where you get your information from is vital. The blind cannot lead the blind. There should be some commonality between our experiences and I am willing to go into further investigation and learn the tactics of deception.

So bear with me. Is there a real interest to find the truth or is it just to protect feeble personal viewpoints?

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Refresh our memory.:thumbup:


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EternalCowabunga said:
in 2012 we will confirm that we are living forever and we will resurrect all the creatures that have ever lived on the planet, their spirit will live within us. Also we will learn unassisted human flight.


Sometimes it's fun to be the flake in a board full of rationalists :satansmoking:


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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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Good post, palmersc. Most of us are just trying to protect our viewpoints.. most of us are asleep at the wheel. And I am willingly speaking on behalf of most of this forum.


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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: palmersc]
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palmersc said:
Icelander said:
People don't necessarily lie when they believe something incorrect is true.


I agree.

So there must be a lot of confusion and falsehood if we cannot agree.

We are all learning. But where you get your information from is vital. The blind cannot lead the blind. There should be some commonality between our experiences and I am willing to go into further investigation and learn the tactics of deception.

So bear with me. Is there a real interest to find the truth or is it just to protect feeble personal viewpoints?


The evidence that I am interested in truth is my willingness to admit that I might not know what the truth is. Now let me guess that you cannot do the same.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: Icelander]
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Well, that's not really the truth Icelander. That's your truth. The question is can there be a single Truth or are there infinite little truths. Castenada said that the only legit path is the path with heart - maybe this is what Christians (not crazy Christians) mean when they say the only way to live is through the Truth and the Light. It's not an intellectual knowledge but a way of being that can be communicated intelligibly.

I don't know, I like to try and resolve different view points into one cohesive idea, I could be talking out of my ass.


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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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I can often mistake the word Truth for Ultimate Knowledge. I think Truth is just another way of saying Guidance. Without our anscestors and the order of creation which has led us to be, there would be nothing but chaos. Truth could be an archetype that we hold on to because we fear Chaos. And rightly so, Order is more beautiful than Chaos.

Does Buddhism say anything about Order? Maybe that's the final transcendence, when we can detach ourselves from both order and chaos.


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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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I never said it wasn't my truth. In fact it is implied by my admission that I may not know what the "truth" is.

My point being that anyone who tells me that they want to "discover" truth and then tell me that they already know what it is are a liar and the truth is not in them.

Let me tell you something. In my personal experience almost all Christians turn out to be liars in this fashion. They pretend to be reasonable folk but are anything but. I am never fooled by them.

When you are talking to someone who has already decided what the truth is for themselves and for you then how is it possible to resolve ideas or find common ground?

When Christians say Truth and Light they mean only their version. If you believe as a Buddhist or Satanist or a Pagan then you are a sinner and live in darkness and that's about it. (exception being certain gnostic Christians)

Castaneda said that all that is important is a path with heart, that's correct. And he said each person determines for themselves what that is. Do you hear that coming from the Christians here? I don't think so.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: Icelander]
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I agree with you that most Christians are like that, and most people in general. I do believe however there are people who are on a genuinely mystical path, and who are always growing in their hearts and minds. These people are in alignment with some kind of Truth, I would imagine.


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Re: Intuition is NOT truth. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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EternalCowabunga said:
I can often mistake the word Truth for Ultimate Knowledge. I think Truth is just another way of saying Guidance. Without our anscestors and the order of creation which has led us to be, there would be nothing but chaos. Truth could be an archetype that we hold on to because we fear Chaos. And rightly so, Order is more beautiful than Chaos.

Does Buddhism say anything about Order? Maybe that's the final transcendence, when we can detach ourselves from both order and chaos.


You're doing a lot of speculating here. I very much disagree that order is more beautiful than chaos. Why you think we like psychedelics? It gives a somewhat controllable glimpse into chaos. Order is easy for us to handle and so we call that beautiful maybe. But order comes from chaos. Tonal comes from Nagual. The tao of living comes from the Ultimate Tao.

Humanity is still lost in superstitious beliefs IMO and may always be. The honest and courageous person IMO rolls with this. They know they are making their best guess and for them that is a path with heart.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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