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Re: Truth? [Re: ]
    #871252 - 09/09/02 03:00 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Read my signature for the answer...


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Re: Truth? [Re: Fliquid]
    #871253 - 09/09/02 03:03 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Good heavens, not another absolute truth!  :shocked:

Yes, I think you have something there.  Truth, by definition, needs definition. :wink:

Cheers for defining, 


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Re: Truth? [Re: ]
    #871259 - 09/09/02 03:09 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

It is logical, and sounds to me like the most likely answer.

Do you disagree?  :confused: 


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Re: Truth? [Re: ]
    #871740 - 09/09/02 03:13 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Well now that this trip is really underway I have a confession to make. I don?t know how to drive this bus.



I thought you were qualified when I hopped on.


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Re: Truth? [Re: ]
    #871264 - 09/09/02 03:13 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

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not another absolute truth!


indeed.
As stated, it depends on the persons self created definition of its own truth.
Truth is a generate ripple in our water, generate by speculation of one or more indeviduals.

KKK members fully believe that black people are the cause of a lot of terrible things.

Isn't that a good example?  :smirk: 


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Re: Truth? [Re: ]
    #871773 - 09/09/02 03:26 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

My dear friend that simple phrase is more than just a game of words.
At one point the truth was that the earth was flat, today we know that is a sphere.
Is that the ultimate truth, perhaps not, one day we may discover something else who knows?
I believe they are no absolutes in the universe, thus they are no absolute truth.
But what do I know?
I know, that I know nothing.


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Re: Truth? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #871781 - 09/09/02 03:29 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:


No Dude, I just saw the training video for the first time this morning and we were late so I had to fire this baby up before it finished.

How'my doin'?

[hey, you guys in the back!  you wanna stop lighin' shit on fire?]



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Re: Truth? [Re: Adamist]
    #871793 - 09/09/02 03:33 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Analysis
Mulla Nasrudin was walking into town one evening when he suddenly came across a pile of cow shit on the path. He bent over slightly and looked at it carefully.
Looks like it, he said to himself.

He leaned closer and sniffed, Smells like it.

He cautiously put his finger in it, then tasted it, Tastes like it. I'm sure glad I didnt step in it!

Beware of analysis!



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Re: Truth? [Re: LOBO]
    #871812 - 09/09/02 03:40 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I understand.  What you are referring to is the fact that our knowledge can be refined with addititional information.  When we say something is true most of the time we leave the possibility open that new data might change our opinion.  This is not the case with certain truths.  Existence is surely one of those truths.

Your statement that you know that you know nothing is untrue because the only way you can know nothing is to not exist.  If you exist you know it.

Which brings me to the point, by knowable, incidentally, I do not mean that which can be known by perception of the sense, or that which can be grasped with the mindbut more that which can be said to be Known or to possess a Knownness or Knowability, or at least something you can mention to a friend. :wink:

Cheers for um, yeah,   


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Re: Truth? [Re: Fliquid]
    #871279 - 09/09/02 03:48 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Not only do I agree, I wholeheartedly concur or something like that that.

"Such a relation which relates itself to its own self (that is to say, a self) must either have constituted itself or have been constituted by another."

Kierkegaard


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Re: Truth? [Re: ]
    #871282 - 09/09/02 03:59 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Its both, and its compiled through observation and conclusion based on examples.
General conclusion is always generate from a minor or more examples given by a constitute from another.


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Re: Truth? [Re: Fliquid]
    #871290 - 09/09/02 04:07 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Oh well done!  I thought you might enjoy a quote from my favorite Danish Theistic Existential philosopher. :wink:

Cheers for Soren, 


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Re: Truth? [Re: ]
    #871294 - 09/09/02 04:12 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Please give me some feed back on my previous post. Make it still concerning the truth issue you threw on the forum...  :crazy: 


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Re: Truth? [Re: ]
    #871892 - 09/09/02 04:14 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

We all seek to make sense of our existence and to find truth, what ever that is, perhaps the truth is the source of every thing "God" or perhaps not I don't know and don't think I will ever know, is like every thing is in layers.
Just when you unravel something and you think you got it, you find out is much bigger than you thought and you are at 0 again.
So I decided to fallow another approach before I go insane.
"That in life there is nothing to do, only something to see"
Saying that I am still inquisitive to find out things to learn and discover, knowing that I will never finish, and I hope I never do.
Because that will mean the end.


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Re: Truth? [Re: ]
    #871900 - 09/09/02 04:19 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Whether or not it's known, whether or not it can be known, whether or not it's believed, whether it can or can't be proven true:

Truth = Truth.

A symbol that links to something real.

That's my take on it.


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Re: Truth? [Re: ]
    #871912 - 09/09/02 04:28 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

"Yet another statement whose existence negates itself. The idea that knowledge, which is a subset of truth, is incommunicable is in itself preposterous."

i think you misunderstood. the statement doesn't say that ALL knowledge is incommunicable, only that the truth is incommunicable. although i would argue that it isn't "preposterous" that all knowledge is incommunicable. perhaps only approximations of knowledge are communicable. truth being a certain kind of knowledge. why should all kinds of knowledge be communicable, mr. mushrooms? obviously all kinds of knowledge are not communicable as i cannot tell another person exactly what i am feeling when i take LSD, especially if they've never taken LSD, but also even if they have taken LSD before.

all this aside, i think it should be fairly obvious that Absolute Truth is a worthless goal. if you define absolute truth as a true knowledge of everything then you posit a deterministic universe that is capable of observing itself in it's entirety. a concept i don't think any of us can understand. the search for truth is probably a more valuable goal. it should also be noted that as biological beings we are inherently unable to admit truth into our minds except in small doses. absolute truth would mean death to a human being. these are all the ideas of nietzsche and others. celine hits on this repeatedly in "Journey to the End of the Night."


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Re: Truth? [Re: ]
    #871318 - 09/09/02 04:33 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

"All truths, are semi truths"
The Kybalion


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Re: Truth? [Re: LOBO]
    #871328 - 09/09/02 04:42 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Be a tree, be a bee, be a bee on a tree...  :smirk: 


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Re: Truth? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #871329 - 09/09/02 04:42 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

By the strictest definition of "absolute truth" - only "existence" is certain.

I agree.


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Re: Truth? [Re: LOBO]
    #871948 - 09/09/02 04:52 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Well said Lobo. Not only do I agree but I think you have a sterling attitude.

Cheers,


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