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InvisibleSwami
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Trusting your intuition
    #3769738 - 02/12/05 03:31 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

This phrase is bandied about all the time as if it is some higher truth.

People's "intuition" (whatever that is!) generally sucks. Let's look at a few things:

Vegas is the fastest growing city in the world because people's intuition doesn't work. I make most of my living pitting logic against intuition.

Not to make this yet another UFO thread, but as I pointed out: at least 95% of all reports are mistaken. Now here I may be commingling intuition with perceptions, but there certainly is some crossover.

How can women choose abusive spouses if their intuition is so good? Why did so many intelligent women fall for Ted Bundy, the notorious serial killer? How can otherwise successful men marry gold-diggers and think this love is genuine?

Why do con men thrive? How do Televangelists and cults survive?

DO NOT TRUST your intuition. Your initial judgement (and mine) is generally highly flawed. Dig a little deeper. Have you been wrong before? Of course! But this time you are right? Nonsense.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3769789 - 02/12/05 03:45 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

HHHhhmmmm....  I need to go back to Atlantic City then....  I went with the "intuition" that I would loose money gambling, so I chose to spend enough money to have fun, nothing more.... 

Perhaps I should have spent ALL of my money, not trusting my intuition....    :shake:

Or, pehaps, it was reason that I put my trust in....?    :laugh:


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3769812 - 02/12/05 03:51 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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How can women choose abusive spouses if their intuition is so good? Why did so many intelligent women fall for Ted Bundy, the notorious serial killer? How can otherwise successful men marry gold-diggers and think this love is genuine?

Why do con men thrive? How do Televangelists and cults survive?




Intuition(?), or were "they" charmed and decieved....  And perhaps not the courage or self confidence to let go of the "feeling" of not being alone....?    I would assume insecurities drive such actions, not intuition....    But(t), I am ass(uming)....    :wink:

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3769832 - 02/12/05 03:57 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

...or were "they" decieved?

Intuition means to be able to look past pretense. How can you deceive someone whose intuition is accurate?


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3769891 - 02/12/05 04:20 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

But, aren't you assuming that they did indeed use intuition....?  EDIT:  And aren't you assuming that a person's "intuition" IS "accurate" with your statement....? 

Example;  A cobra has an "Intuition" (or instinct?) to strike a passer by when "threatened"....  But, a snake "charmer" can mezmorize~ with side to side movements as to make the snake not go on it's natural "intuition" (or instict?).... 

So I guess, one question would be, is the "intuition" based on "instinct", and can that "force" be swayed (or charmed)....?  And who is to say that "intuition" is "accurate" to defining "truth" in "intentions"...?  Intensions ufold, and you can choose to face them, or not to face them....  Beaten wives (past the first time) choose not to face the "intensions", or come up with an excuse therein (most likely having to do with insecurities?)....

I still think that "reason" RULZ~ over "intuition"....  Myself I say this because I don't *think* I have ever based a decision on "intuition"....  Perhaps "intuition" makes you "see" something, and "reasoning" gives you decisiveness to act upon it.....?  If one decides to approach it that way....

EDIT:  I am agreeing with your first post....  I would not trust my "intuition" alone to make a decision....

Eeeeehhh...?

(Proudly sporting a wife-beater t-shirt...)  :wink:


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Edited by PhanTomCat (02/12/05 04:26 AM)


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3770032 - 02/12/05 05:07 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

we live in a modern info. disseminated world.it has much to absorb which has much distraction.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Cosm]
    #3770039 - 02/12/05 05:10 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Trying to explain intuition with logic is just so funny Swami. :smile:

Why are shamans so succesfull (as they tend to live almost completely in the safenet of their intuition, I call it safenet, it is a safenet for me) if it was so unworthy?


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3770323 - 02/12/05 10:01 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

"Vegas is the fastest growing city in the world because people's intuition doesn't work."

Vegas is the fastest growing city because people are delusional to think that they can beat the house odds with their "intuition". Odds that are not in one's favor are called losing odds. At the casino, some losing odds are worse than other losing odds. An example would be the field bet in craps, which has a house advantage of 11% versus a pass line bet that has a house advantage with single odds taken of 0.60%. Yet fools bet the field. Of course, fools bet the pass line as well which is also a loser, but at least the punishment is dragged out. The other problem is that 95% of people play till they lose all their money even if they were once up. Knowing when to quit if you do have a lucky run at craps or blackjack is a skill most will never learn. Take a break, buy dinner, go to a show, go to bed early when you are on the house money. What a great feeling to have Harrah's pay for the evening.

"I make most of my money pitting logic against intuition."

I assume you are talking about the poker table. I would agree there is the "logical" strategic side to poker, absolutely. If you play against people who don't know the odds, when to fold or raise, or call all day long, your logic and skill will beat their lack of skill most times.

However, poker games such as All In Texas Hold 'Em, when played face to face, have HUGE amounts of intuition. Logic is still in play, but a good poker player is able to use intuitive skills such as reading the other player's tells, and not showing other players when they are truly bluffing all in on nothing.

The fact is, many logical people often have trouble being intuitive. They don't trust their intuition, it has been wrong before. They don't use it, or when they do their intuition is rusty and not working well. So, they get "burned" again and next time REALLY don't use their intuition.

In order to be successful at poker, become more spiritual, and to enhance love and life situations one MUST use and trust one's intuitions. Period. Logic is still there, and is used. Logic and intuition are the dualities of thinking. Conscious analytical mind (logic)and the subconsciousness awareness of the world (intuition) are the duality. They connect in your mind and communicate, if you use them and keep the conversation going.


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Edited by LunarEclipse (02/12/05 10:08 AM)


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #3770370 - 02/12/05 10:27 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

"Trusting your intuition" should say not more and less than giving your instincts, your unconciousness part (often called "feelings") a vote in ADDITION to the rational part of oneself.
And thats a very very good idea.

How gambling comes in here is not really understandable to me - this makes plain no sense.

I agree though that "intuition" is a widely abused concept, like "freedom".

"Common sense" and "best intentions" - both regarded highlights of rationality have lead to worst atrocies and desasters in human history. Some "intuition" when this intuition is guided by basic empathy for others cant be wrong I believe.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Organikum]
    #3770399 - 02/12/05 10:42 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

"How gambling comes in here is not really understandable to me"

The gambling was in reference to Swami who has stated in various posts that he is a "semi-professional" poker player. As I also have an interest in gambling and poker, so this was a "logical" way to respond to Swami's post.

"Feelings" are unconscious thoughts acted on by the conscious. Their validity will depend on the state of that person's unconscious mind coupled (functioning, lacking, rusty, or jaded) and the state of their conscious mind (logical, illogical, deluded, in denial, healthy, jaded, or downright dangerous). Paranoid schizophrenics may have all kinds of bad "feelings" that aren't valid.

Agreed that "common sense" or "let the ends justify the means" particularly in a mob setting such as Nazi Germany or modern-day USA can be dangerous. I think that's more mind control on a large scale, and people who as a result are not thinking intuitively with empathy or logically with empathy. They perceive the cause to be noble or at least in their best interests, so that replaces the reality of the horror.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: repemon]
    #3770610 - 02/12/05 12:59 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Trying to explain intuition with logic is just so funny Swami. :smile:

Why are shamans so succesfull (as they tend to live almost completely in the safenet of their intuition, I call it safenet, it is a safenet for me) if it was so unworthy?



In what way are shamans successful?


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Silversoul]
    #3770695 - 02/12/05 01:32 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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In what way are shamans successful?



They got some pretty good psychoactive recipes.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3770717 - 02/12/05 01:42 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Trusting our intuition is that same as trusting our innate wisdom.

Shamans have complete trust in there innate wisdom, and as such have complete uninhibited access to knowlege most logical people couldnt even begin to understand. This is why sometimes they appear illogical as logic relies on the intellect, not in ones own innate wisdom.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3770771 - 02/12/05 02:05 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

you don't have to trust things if you know them.

Maybe I can't trust my intuition, but I can trust my intuition to be my intuition.

24 years of observation has shown me when my inution tends to be right and when it tends to be wrong.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3770787 - 02/12/05 02:12 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

24 years of observation has shown me when my inution tends to be right and when it tends to be wrong.

Heh. Yeah, after-the-fact! How useful is that? So basically, intuition is not reliable as I stated.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3770791 - 02/12/05 02:13 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

well, lets just say there are times when you go with your gut and times when you ignore it because you know its BSing you.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3770857 - 02/12/05 02:38 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

So you use your gut to know when to trust your gut? This seems rather circular to me. Perhaps you would care to give a demonstration of this ability to self-evaluate your ability.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3770870 - 02/12/05 02:42 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

saying that intuition is never right is just as bad as saying its always right.

sometimes schemas apply and sometimes they don't. Its up to the better judgement of the individual (if they have any). That's all I'm sayin'.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3770879 - 02/12/05 02:45 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

What I am saying is that intuition is merely:

A. Unidentified physical cues.

B. Ad hoc "reasoning".


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3770896 - 02/12/05 02:49 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

You're right. Intuition sucks.


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