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 Unlikely that Jesus is God 
#3984495 - 03/29/05 08:21 AM (19 years, 23 days ago) |
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If I were to start some teachings (even though true and of a higher order) that I KNEW (omnisicence) would be distorted and twisted in future generations by power brokers to torture and suppress and wage war, I would keep my mouth shut out of compassion. 
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 Re: Unlikely that Jesus is God [Re: Swami]
#3984501 - 03/29/05 08:27 AM (19 years, 23 days ago) |
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Obviously the bible god is not omnipotent, that much is clear.
An omnipotent god does not need wind to separate the sea for people to pass, he could just make them appear where he would like them to be. This bible god is simply a powerfull being, but still not real philosophical god.
It seems to me that Jesus was not refering to the old testament god when he was talking about god. It seems that god and his father is not the same thing. When he said you can find god anywhere, he was refering to philosophical god, yet the god that sent him is just a bit more powerfull than we are now with our technology.
this god was not omnipotent, and did not know everything, he had interaction, conversation, action. These are signs of limitations.
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Re: Unlikely that Jesus is God [Re: Swami]
#3984502 - 03/29/05 08:28 AM (19 years, 23 days ago) |
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Ah, but we might simply be in a valley for the time being and cannot see the goodness lurking over the horizon. Is it valid to assume that Jesus is not God based upon an unknown future?
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Re: Unlikely that Jesus is God [Re: Seuss]
#3984524 - 03/29/05 08:49 AM (19 years, 23 days ago) |
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We might be, but if the positive affects have not been demonstrated by now, they are unlikely to be. And those people that have ALREADY suffered and died will take no comfort from that. Any future mass enlightenment will likely be from other sources and causes. A social result that takes millenia to manifest cannot be linked back to unitary point in history.
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Re: Unlikely that Jesus is God [Re: Swami]
#3984571 - 03/29/05 09:17 AM (19 years, 23 days ago) |
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If Derren Brown claimed he was the son of God theres no doubt that a cult following would arise.
He can read your mind, make things appear or dissappear and a thousand other great mentalist tricks. He taught himself by interacting with people in a particular way.
Humans have leaders and followers and it only takes 1 person to be able to lead millions of people!
I think if Jesus existed at all then he was another Derren Brown but with the leadership quality.
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OldWoodSpecter said:
Obviously the bible god is not omnipotent, that much is clear.
An omnipotent god does not need wind to separate the sea for people to pass, he could just make them appear where he would like them to be. This bible god is simply a powerfull being, but still not real philosophical god.
It seems to me that Jesus was not refering to the old testament god when he was talking about god. It seems that god and his father is not the same thing. When he said you can find god anywhere, he was refering to philosophical god, yet the god that sent him is just a bit more powerfull than we are now with our technology.
this god was not omnipotent, and did not know everything, he had interaction, conversation, action. These are signs of limitations.
Im glad to hear someone else say that the biblical "god" was NOT all powerfull.
An omnipotent-allpowerfull GOD..... IMO is a mythical creature.
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Re: Unlikely that Jesus is God [Re: niteowl]
#3984632 - 03/29/05 09:50 AM (19 years, 23 days ago) |
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Maybe Jesus had skitzophrenia.
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Re: Unlikely that Jesus is God [Re: niteowl]
#3984690 - 03/29/05 10:17 AM (19 years, 23 days ago) |
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niteowl said:
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OldWoodSpecter said:
Obviously the bible god is not omnipotent, that much is clear.
An omnipotent god does not need wind to separate the sea for people to pass, he could just make them appear where he would like them to be. This bible god is simply a powerfull being, but still not real philosophical god.
It seems to me that Jesus was not refering to the old testament god when he was talking about god. It seems that god and his father is not the same thing. When he said you can find god anywhere, he was refering to philosophical god, yet the god that sent him is just a bit more powerfull than we are now with our technology.
this god was not omnipotent, and did not know everything, he had interaction, conversation, action. These are signs of limitations.
Im glad to hear someone else say that the biblical "god" was NOT all powerfull.
An omnipotent-allpowerfull GOD..... IMO is a mythical creature.
An omnipotent god can not be a creature, that's my point.
This biblical god sounds like he is some kind of a creature,an entity.
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Re: Unlikely that Jesus is God [Re: Droz]
#3984691 - 03/29/05 10:18 AM (19 years, 23 days ago) |
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We're all God.
Jesus knew that.
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Re: Unlikely that Jesus is God [Re: slaphappy]
#3984708 - 03/29/05 10:23 AM (19 years, 23 days ago) |
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We are Gods that created this illusion, but forgot that we created it. Jesus knew this and tried to help others recognize this fact by perfomring miraicles and such. Becuase he was human, he was poitning out that by perofrming these miracles ,we all have this same potential.......
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Re: Unlikely that Jesus is God [Re: niteowl]
#3984711 - 03/29/05 10:24 AM (19 years, 23 days ago) |
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niteowl said:
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OldWoodSpecter said:
Obviously the bible god is not omnipotent, that much is clear.
An omnipotent god does not need wind to separate the sea for people to pass, he could just make them appear where he would like them to be. This bible god is simply a powerfull being, but still not real philosophical god.
It seems to me that Jesus was not refering to the old testament god when he was talking about god. It seems that god and his father is not the same thing. When he said you can find god anywhere, he was refering to philosophical god, yet the god that sent him is just a bit more powerfull than we are now with our technology.
this god was not omnipotent, and did not know everything, he had interaction, conversation, action. These are signs of limitations.
I'm glad to hear someone else say that the biblical "god" was NOT all powerfull.
An omnipotent-allpowerfull GOD..... IMO is a mythical creature.
That's why the meme floating around out there that the Biblical was really no more then another being that evolved elsewhere in this Universe just ahead of us enough to "play god" here with the evolving humans. Call me nuts, whatever, it makes more sense then anything else on the table now and also explains why the Old Testament said "WE" created man in our image. "We" would explain a group of intelligent beings that evolved somewhat similar to us and were just ahead. There is just to much shit in the Bible about chariots coming from the heavens.
Who is to say that every angel and what not that came and spoke to the people in the name of "God" were not also of ET origin that figured out dematerialization and rematerialization and time travel. No one can prove that idea wrong.
FYI, most of you know I explore in the realms of the existence of intelligent life in this universe beyond humans. As far as I have understood, they have no freaking idea what set creation, evolution, math and consciousness into play either. Maybe some thought that by playing god, they could get in the head of the Creative force and intelligence behind all of this to understand it better. I dunno. Maybe the group responsible for the Biblical stuff are just power mongers playing games here to pass he time.
Maybe they think by watching us, they will get some answers to explain themselves to themselves at least.
But if that's what is going on, it would explain why "that" God -gods, of religions are not characteristic of omni presence etc, rather are just others beings of the multiverse who have evolved further along then humans have. No one can prove that theory wrong so it remains a working theory to me as it makes the most sense to me so far.
And maybe they wern't power mongers. Maybe humans took what info they were given and twisted and manipulated it to power trip on other humans and the ET's decided to sit back and let it be out of repsect for free will and decided to watch what came of it.
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Edited by gettinjiggywithit (03/29/05 10:40 AM)
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Re: Unlikely that Jesus is God [Re: slaphappy]
#3984718 - 03/29/05 10:27 AM (19 years, 23 days ago) |
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We're all God.
But we only recognize this fact during climax. "Oh, God. OH GOD!"
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Re: Unlikely that Jesus is God [Re: Swami]
#3984809 - 03/29/05 10:58 AM (19 years, 23 days ago) |
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Swami said:
We're all God.
But we only recognize this fact during climax. "Oh, God. OH GOD!"
you know, as funny as it may sound, there might be some truth in it 
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gettinjiggywithit said:
That's why the meme floating around out there that the Biblical was really no more then another being that evolved elsewhere in this Universe just ahead of us enough to "play god" here with the evolving humans. Call me nuts, whatever, it makes more sense then anything else on the table now and also explains why the Old Testament said "WE" created man in our image. "We" would explain a group of intelligent beings that evolved somewhat similar to us and were just ahead. There is just to much shit in the Bible about chariots coming from the heavens.
Who is to say that every angel and what not that came and spoke to the people in the name of "God" were not also of ET origin that figured out dematerialization and rematerialization and time travel. No one can prove that idea wrong.
FYI, most of you know I explore in the realms of the existence of intelligent life in this universe beyond humans. As far as I have understood, they have no freaking idea what set creation, evolution, math and consciousness into play either. Maybe some thought that by playing god, they could get in the head of the Creative force and intelligence behind all of this to understand it better. I dunno. Maybe the group responsible for the Biblical stuff are just power mongers playing games here to pass he time.
Maybe they think by watching us, they will get some answers to explain themselves to themselves at least.
But if that's what is going on, it would explain why "that" God -gods, of religions are not characteristic of omni presence etc, rather are just others beings of the multiverse who have evolved further along then humans have. No one can prove that theory wrong so it remains a working theory to me as it makes the most sense to me so far.
And maybe they wern't power mongers. Maybe humans took what info they were given and twisted and manipulated it to power trip on other humans and the ET's decided to sit back and let it be out of repsect for free will and decided to watch what came of it.
finally someone on my side 
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Re: Unlikely that Jesus is God [Re: Swami]
#3984830 - 03/29/05 11:02 AM (19 years, 23 days ago) |
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Unlikely that Jesus is God
isn't the claim to the effect that Jesus is the SON of God? I don't think anyone ever claimed that Jesus was omniscient.
Plus, to paraphrase what someone already said up there, reserve your judgement about Jesus' teachings for when Time has officially ended. You're not omniscient either, and a big surprise may be just around the corner (2012! 2012!).
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I don't see it as being a side. I just see it as a general possible theory to put on the table for others to consider. I have no concrete proof to argue it with. If someone has something to put on the table that makes even more sense then, I will be there.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
That's why the meme floating around out there that the Biblical was really no more then another being that evolved elsewhere in this Universe just ahead of us enough to "play god" here with the evolving humans. Call me nuts, whatever, it makes more sense then anything else on the table now and also explains why the Old Testament said "WE" created man in our image. "We" would explain a group of intelligent beings that evolved somewhat similar to us and were just ahead. There is just to much shit in the Bible about chariots coming from the heavens.
Who is to say that every angel and what not that came and spoke to the people in the name of "God" were not also of ET origin that figured out dematerialization and rematerialization and time travel. No one can prove that idea wrong.
FYI, most of you know I explore in the realms of the existence of intelligent life in this universe beyond humans. As far as I have understood, they have no freaking idea what set creation, evolution, math and consciousness into play either. Maybe some thought that by playing god, they could get in the head of the Creative force and intelligence behind all of this to understand it better. I dunno. Maybe the group responsible for the Biblical stuff are just power mongers playing games here to pass he time.
Maybe they think by watching us, they will get some answers to explain themselves to themselves at least.
But if that's what is going on, it would explain why "that" God -gods, of religions are not characteristic of omni presence etc, rather are just others beings of the multiverse who have evolved further along then humans have. No one can prove that theory wrong so it remains a working theory to me as it makes the most sense to me so far.
And maybe they wern't power mongers. Maybe humans took what info they were given and twisted and manipulated it to power trip on other humans and the ET's decided to sit back and let it be out of repsect for free will and decided to watch what came of it.
I have felt this for a LONG time now.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
I don't see it as being a side. I just see it as a general possible theory to put on the table for others to consider. I have no concrete proof to argue it with. If someone has something to put on the table that makes even more sense then, I will be there.
My "side" is that such a theory is one of the possibilities, so that makes you on my side
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Re: Unlikely that Jesus is God [Re: niteowl]
#3985057 - 03/29/05 12:05 PM (19 years, 23 days ago) |
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niteowl said:
I have felt this for a LONG time now.
another one? great
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gettinjiggywithit said:
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niteowl said:
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OldWoodSpecter said:
Obviously the bible god is not omnipotent, that much is clear.
An omnipotent god does not need wind to separate the sea for people to pass, he could just make them appear where he would like them to be. This bible god is simply a powerfull being, but still not real philosophical god.
It seems to me that Jesus was not refering to the old testament god when he was talking about god. It seems that god and his father is not the same thing. When he said you can find god anywhere, he was refering to philosophical god, yet the god that sent him is just a bit more powerfull than we are now with our technology.
this god was not omnipotent, and did not know everything, he had interaction, conversation, action. These are signs of limitations.
I'm glad to hear someone else say that the biblical "god" was NOT all powerfull.
An omnipotent-allpowerfull GOD..... IMO is a mythical creature.
That's why the meme floating around out there that the Biblical was really no more then another being that evolved elsewhere in this Universe just ahead of us enough to "play god" here with the evolving humans. Call me nuts, whatever, it makes more sense then anything else on the table now and also explains why the Old Testament said "WE" created man in our image. "We" would explain a group of intelligent beings that evolved somewhat similar to us and were just ahead. There is just to much shit in the Bible about chariots coming from the heavens.
Who is to say that every angel and what not that came and spoke to the people in the name of "God" were not also of ET origin that figured out dematerialization and rematerialization and time travel. No one can prove that idea wrong.
FYI, most of you know I explore in the realms of the existence of intelligent life in this universe beyond humans. As far as I have understood, they have no freaking idea what set creation, evolution, math and consciousness into play either. Maybe some thought that by playing god, they could get in the head of the Creative force and intelligence behind all of this to understand it better. I dunno. Maybe the group responsible for the Biblical stuff are just power mongers playing games here to pass he time.
Maybe they think by watching us, they will get some answers to explain themselves to themselves at least.
But if that's what is going on, it would explain why "that" God -gods, of religions are not characteristic of omni presence etc, rather are just others beings of the multiverse who have evolved further along then humans have. No one can prove that theory wrong so it remains a working theory to me as it makes the most sense to me so far.
And maybe they wern't power mongers. Maybe humans took what info they were given and twisted and manipulated it to power trip on other humans and the ET's decided to sit back and let it be out of repsect for free will and decided to watch what came of it.
Some might find this interesting, others just one more fake piece of paper, you name it :
http://www.proaxis.com/~deardorj/index.htm
MAIA
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