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WHO IS GOD???
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Have anyone experienced a situation in which god helped him? Some of you would say yes, God helped me when I was feeling bad about something or when someone I loved was flirting with death or when I fell from the balcony and was not badly hurt etc. But how can you really be sure that He/She/It actually did? You just can?t. Have you ever seen Him? Spoke to Him? And even if you believe you have, how do you know that this experience that you had was not just a hallucination? Or that you, full of passion and burning desire, stuffed to the bone from all that they forced you to learn to believe , made a simple misjudgement of what you thought is a fact? Or because of your enormous subconscious obsession to meet your ?creator?, as they say, fooled your own self so inappropriately for your mental capabilities? And again even if what you saw or experienced is true how you know that it was not an act of an outer space being? The possibilities are infinite. We have reached the point where most of you would have started or are about to laugh? So you reckon that the possibilities of God to be a person from a more advanced civilization are less than to just magically be your creator {here, I define magic as something which is beyond our minds boundaries of understanding, as they say, in order for the text to be more easily understood from the majority of people and of course I mean no disrespect in WICCA (here I must say that witch is a term very badly understood), which is a beautiful religion, nor in any kind of sorcery, alchemy, voodoo, plain magick or even OBE?s (some people will categorise Out-of-Body-Experiences as magic too because they?ve never tried it or red about it, which anyway is another topic??anyway?what do they know????)} ? Let me tell you something. Either you want it or not there is not such a thing as magic. I believe that everything has its explanation and the most important of all?and that is dispassionate, EVERYTHING is possible. Science will reach a point where everything will relate at some degree (quantum physics is a great developing subject) and eventually be able to explain all these ?paranormal? phenomena (if you assume what modern day?s science can explain as normal). Don?t let anyone convince you otherwise. Unfortunately, even love, which is the nearest term you can find explained as ?magic? can be scientifically explained and related with some certain combinations of substances that we have and in certain occasions (we all know when?) produce inside our brain.
What people can define as their God can vary a lot, Christians believe in Christ, Buddhists in Buddha (in a way), Pantheists in everything together combined with the essence of infinity and creating a ?force? which they like to call God, Wiccans and the Moon-Goddess and Sun-God, generally Pagans, people that believe in Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Agnosticists and Atheists, Gurus, Rastafarians, Taoism, Confucianism and Feng Shui. Those are really all talking about the same thing. In the old days, people didn?t seem to understand that, but now all have developed their minds, loosened the blinkers and silently agreed to that concept. Almost everyone will eventually agree to the real truth (if we can say that such a thing exists), that there is no God to guide us nor to help us. That we have the power to do anything we wish or at least try to do it. The important thing is to know that everything can be done and that if you weren?t able to do something doesn?t mean that it can?t be done. We have the power in our hands but we just don?t know it yet. I am my own God, you are your own God, and everybody is their own God. You be the judge of this but I reckon it?s true or anyway closest to the truth from everything else. That is not only my personal opinion, it is a really objective opinion (as objective as it can be; we live in a subjective world?.or so we think). Now there?s one thing to know the truth and another to believe in anything, each one of you want. One of the greatest concepts is God. Another one is Freedom. Freedom to believe in what you choose because it makes you happy. That?s o.k., but you all have to distinguish what is the impartial truth and what is your subjective truth. The concept of God did not just pop up for nothing. People needed it and so they created it. Common questions like: ?Don?t you have the need to believe that there is someone more powerful than you who can help you in difficult times in life?? are more than irrelevant when dealing with the dispassionate truth but more than important when dealing with your truth.
Let us imagine something else. Try to think like a mouse, that is if mice could think (or maybe they can but they just choose not to let us know?). What would a cat be to you? A hair- raising God. And what would a man be to you? An angry and fearsome God with no mercy of course. With its own unexplainable rules. So why should there be a universal God for everything? A perfect fit here is the concept of infinity, wouldn?t you say? If you could move straight in all directions but you did not have the sense of height, like in a 2D(2Dimensions) computer game but without the ability to jump and someone decided to put an obstacle in front of you, wouldn?t you believe with great frankness that there would be no way to overcome this obstacle? Now that you know and sense the 3D and you feel that there is no way to go back in time or to renounce your religion because you can do every thing your God can, wouldn?t be the same with the previous example? We know ?nothing?. At least let us not pretend that we do.
So, you would say, why do we live? What is the reason? Well it is pretty easy to pretend that we found the solution and live in a sentimental lie and rather difficult to search for the Real Truth. Everybody makes their choices. Just make sure that you considered all options. I believe that the possibility of only One God to exist is very small but that is estimating without much evidence so I can only guess. It is my personal opinion that there is no God to help, point the way, love and consider us. They say that miracles happen. Yes, miracles do happen but one has to define what a miracle is a priori. A mother?s child gets awfully sick and is about to die, the mother goes every day and every night to the church and prays to the God that she chose to believe or was raised to believe that the child recovers??..and at the end of the day it does. She would say???It was God who helped my child?? and so on. Had she ever thought that She actually helped her child? With her passion and positive energy? This is a form of magick! The magick that when some people hear about get frustrated because they think of evil. The only basic difference with some religions is that they have taken this human ability and increased its power by putting some rules which ultimately make you feel more in control of your life and so increasing even more the positive energy. Of course they?ve put some other things that can not be explained yet by scientists but most possibly will be in the future. It is experimentally proven that if you play heads or tails many times and constantly ?wish? for tails, that you have more than 50% to get the right side, that is your side?relativity you see?Just think that 120 years ago we didn?t know what electricity was. If you introduced something like that in the past ages they would most probably burn you at the stake or just think that you are crazy or evil (which is what they do today for any practitioner of magick). Think about it; sleep on it if you like. Be a realist. Oh, but please not in all cases because you?ll simply loose the magic no matter if you think of it as ?real? or ?fictitious?. Whatever your final belief is make sure you enjoy your life and compromise with nothing. Seek the best. Live. Extend your horizons. Have fun. Skydive. Dig your life. Seize the day.
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Strumpling said: We are God
Ya took the words right out of my mouth, God.
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take a human being strip away everything that isn't human and you are left with a part of God
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I tottaly agree y'all gods!!!!
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infidelGOD said: take a human being strip away everything that isn't human and you are left with a part of God
That's nice to hear but there are no solutions nor answers in it in my opninion.
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oh, you were looking for solutions and answers?
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infidelGOD said: oh, you were looking for solutions and answers?
Aren't we all...? It's funny how one turns to aggresive irony instead of a bit more thinking...
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take a human being strip away everything that isn't human and you are left with a part of God
God is a clump of hair?
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Swami]
#2279046 - 01/27/04 08:41 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think he means that God is the clothes, jewelry, glasses and such. Ah... no, that doesn't sound right either.
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Swami]
#2279152 - 01/27/04 09:34 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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strip away everything that isn't human... I meant to say strip away everything that is human. have you ever experienced complete ego loss? a state where you have no sense of self, no sense of time or space. you are no longer there, but something still remains... what is it? that something, I believe, is a piece of God, a brief glimpse of IT. I don't say this is Truth. it could be a grand delusion for all i know. but this is where I have seen God, in the center of my being, when all the outer layers of self have been burned away
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infidelGOD said: strip away everything that isn't human...
I meant to say strip away everything that is human.
have you ever experienced complete ego loss? a state where you have no sense of self, no sense of time or space. you are no longer there, but something still remains... what is it?
that something, I believe, is a piece of God, a brief glimpse of IT.
I don't say this is Truth. it could be a grand delusion for all i know. but this is where I have seen God, in the center of my being, when all the outer layers of self have been burned away
I would agree with that.
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Frog]
#2279213 - 01/27/04 09:56 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you strip away everything that isn't human you know there's a part of God underneath too fellas...
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Frog]
#2279313 - 01/27/04 10:26 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Excellent thread! In regards to ego loss, I have experienced it and there is nothing else like it. I find for myself at least after such an experience I can never look at "myself" or my ego the same way. I don't see it as who I truly am. Do people who have not experienced ego death or understand what is meant by "the ego" See their ego as their only selves? I believe that others here like myself probably after experiencing different altered states of consciousness question the solidity of reality. In regards to my view of the "G" word God, I wonder if I'll ever stop trying to use words to describe what I feel? It's so frustrating because you know it is never enough or quite right. I sat here for 20 mins trying to use words to describe God, but I just can't to my own satisfaction. It's so draining in a way. All I can say is that I do feel that ego loss does give us a glipse of the true nature of it all. Or is it a dellusion? I don't think so personally, but I wish such things could be legally studied.
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infidelGOD, where did you come up with the term "ego loss" and how its loss relates to the existence of God?
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If you take a "HUMAN BEING," and strip away everything that is "HUMAN," you are left with " BEING."
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simply put:
GOD is one badass motherfucker.
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Swami]
#2279748 - 01/28/04 02:20 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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"God is a clump of hair?"
are you saying then that hair isn't human??
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I don't think its your self buring away when you experience ego loss, just your ego; I beleive the "ego" and the "self" to be two different things. Ego is just social conditioning; how you react and act around people, and since most of us are always around other people, the ego sort of takes over. Take away the ego and you have: ...the present.
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: kaiowas]
#2279782 - 01/28/04 02:53 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, but it was us who invented the word human being and us who invented god in all of its today's accepted forms. So again it is nice to hear but I find no real essence in it.
The possibilities are INFINITE!I feel that the possibilities of "god" to be that something that remains when "all the outer layers of self have been burned away" are less than for us humans to be "god"; we could be living in a game of boundaries for all we know, where the one that has set these boundaries to our mind is us. We could wake up to another world one day. We already know that using the mind only, we CAN affect matter but there are many things we have yet to know and discover. I think that as long as it makes one happy, he/she can believe in whatever the heart or mind is pointing at.
Christians killed other people who renounced their religion to make them the "majority of people" religion. But I think we are all already past the "christian stage".
I feel that the answer for the topic questions will be the same over the ages, but as time passes , answers will differ. So us,humans, can only give a temporary opinion or answer to that question. It is an interesting topic; hoped we could reach a conclusion, but I know this is not a realistic target. By exchanging opinions though we are closing up to the final answer. Which any way, it may be don't spend all your life wondering about these things, have alittle fun.EXEPTION!!!If this is fun for you then who am I to tell you not to but as I say see that you considered all options.
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: ceephax]
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ceephax said: I don't think its your self buring away when you experience ego loss, just your ego; I beleive the "ego" and the "self" to be two different things. Ego is just social conditioning; how you react and act around people, and since most of us are always around other people, the ego sort of takes over.
I totaly agree with you.
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Take away the ego and you have: ...the present.
I feel that there is no Present in the way that we mean it, but only Past and Future. I see Present as an illusion to make us feel in control with our lifes. Think about what you are doing now, just think about it and it's gone...it's gone in the Past. If you assume Present as a time-part of the Future, then yes Present exists.
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Frog]
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well, I didn't come up with the term.. the "ego" in "ego loss" refers to the Freudian ego - a sense of self, not ego as in egotistical, which has an entirely different connotation. if you ever have a level 5+ trip, you might experience it. when you reach that state, you are no longer aware that you are a human being inhabiting a body in a material plane. there is no you anymore, it's pure consciousness and experience. no. it's more like, you feel like a part of a larger consciousness... like your sense of self has been blocking you all this time from rejoining it.
I feel that this is a small glimpse into the mind of God. this is just a personal truth arrived at through personal experience and nothing more. but many people who experience ego loss describe a similar experience of contacting this great consciousness. probably just a dance of molecules in our synapses, but who knows?
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If you take a "HUMAN BEING," and strip away everything that is "HUMAN," you are left with " BEING."
yes, that's exactly what I was trying to say.
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DestruKtiKon said: God is the infinte collective whole.
That is also a Pantheist's view of god, extremely interesting, it involves the essence of infinity which is what our human brain can not understand.....yet
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I love it when you God's talk about God. I get to rant and rave and make up theories and reason. I didn't like shroomerious's statement where he lumped athiests in with Jew and ilk. Atheists definatly don't have the same basic belief system as all those. I don't know how you can all agree so easily that ego loss is a connection with God. Shroomerious put it well when he said that the possibilities are infinite. Could be alien influence, but most likely it is the product of human thought. There isn't (neccessarily) anything supernatural or divine about ego loss, it is just as human as any other conception. Take away everything human, and you certainly don't get God. Especially when God is human invention. Take away everything human, and you take away God too! God is everything. It is the universe. God is where infinity connects. I must be a pantheist. This one time I was high on weed, and I believe I had a communion with God. I felt ininity. I felt like I was witnessing all space, all time, all matter and energy in one instant. It went on infinitly, Men in Black style, our universe was the subatomic to a larger universe. This went on infinitly, or so it seemed, and I was experiencing everything. It felt very happy It didn't last long (but at the same time it lasted forever), and when I came out of it, it's memory was like one cell of an infinate film roll, amplifying it's importance.
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I didn't like shroomerious's statement where he lumped athiests in with Jew and ilk. Atheists definatly don't have the same basic belief system as all those.
It was an exageration(excuse my english, I am Greek) to show how many different ways of believing to that God have been evolved through the years and also to show us, people as united and not separated by the different systems created to believe to God that exist.
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I don't know how you can all agree so easily that ego loss is a connection with God. Shroomerious put it well when he said that the possibilities are infinite. Could be alien influence, but most likely it is the product of human thought. There isn't (neccessarily) anything supernatural or divine about ego loss, it is just as human as any other conception.
Exactly what I was trying to say. Also I very much like the fact that you use the words most likely instead of the definitive is.
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Take away everything human, and you certainly don't get God. Especially when God is human invention. Take away everything human, and you take away God too! God is everything. It is the universe. God is where infinity connects. I must be a pantheist.
This is exactly what I have come to believe through the years. The concept of infinity is even greater than what some people just numbly....or even better with a comfortably numb way accept as God. I guess we are pantheists then.
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This one time I was high on weed, and I believe I had a communion with God. I felt ininity. I felt like I was witnessing all space, all time, all matter and energy in one instant. It went on infinitly, Men in Black style, our universe was the subatomic to a larger universe. This went on infinitly, or so it seemed, and I was experiencing everything. It felt very happy It didn't last long (but at the same time it lasted forever), and when I came out of it, it's memory was like one cell of an infinate film roll, amplifying it's importance.
That is very interesting, it is like......imagine that the cells in our body or whatever it is that has not yet been completely understood had intelligence and were living in a world similar as ours. And futher on, our whole universe, as we know it, could be part of a larger structure. I couldn't agree more with you!
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My point here, is that just because some people haven't seen this higher force of the Universe that I speak of, does not mean it doesn't exist.
Of course not. There are just so many possibilities though, that one might feels lost and consequently get the impression that in order to believe to a God he/she must witness something with his/her own eyes...
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I believe that what we call "GOD" is possibly one of the following:
A)The most evolved and oldest entity of the Universe, in a sense. B)The 'Universe Itself'...similar to a Brain, and how a brain is filled with numerous memory cells and neurons and atoms and so on...The Universe could be "God's Brain" in a very complex and intricate sense... C)A form of collective energy of the entire Universe...
I LOVE the word possibly, and I agree with A,B and C but in my own subjective opinion there would be a lot more evenly possible choices.
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I didn't say that you actually get God when you take away the ego I just said that you get a glimpse... because our sense of self is actually a sense of seperation take that away and...
see this old thread about ego loss.
but of course it all depends on your definition of God we could be talking about completely different things but using the same label (god) to describe it. I'm a bit of a pantheist myself, I also see glimpses of IT in nature, here on earth and in the heavens.
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infidelGOD said: oh, you were looking for solutions and answers?
See, in your last thread there is a nice "answer", that most of us, have some pantheism beliefs, be it a little bit or a large bit.
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Everything seems to be a cycle, whether very fast or very slow.
I get the exact same feeling....
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I think everything that is everything makes up a part of God, and that we are all a part of the one and the one is god.
So you are a bit of pantheist yourself I suppose
Now, isn't it nice that we all agree to something?
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ThaiLipaYai said: I suppose so, although I had never heard the term Pantheist before you used it and had to look it up But yes, I guess that term sums it all up.
So now what?
Now what??? Let's get all shroomed up!!! What else?I am growing some cubies and they will be ready in less than a week!!!
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infidelGOD said: well, I didn't come up with the term.. the "ego" in "ego loss" refers to the Freudian ego - a sense of self, not ego as in egotistical, which has an entirely different connotation. if you ever have a level 5+ trip, you might experience it. when you reach that state, you are no longer aware that you are a human being inhabiting a body in a material plane. there is no you anymore, it's pure consciousness and experience. no. it's more like, you feel like a part of a larger consciousness... like your sense of self has been blocking you all this time from rejoining it.
I feel that this is a small glimpse into the mind of God. this is just a personal truth arrived at through personal experience and nothing more. but many people who experience ego loss describe a similar experience of contacting this great consciousness. probably just a dance of molecules in our synapses, but who knows?
I understand what you mean. I had the same experience about 1 and 3/4 years ago. I think Swami called it a "paradigm shift", but whatever, I experienced so much trauma in my life, in such a short period of time, that God showed me that He had been taking care of things all along. I've been seeing differently ever since. Signs.
I had an experience today. I know it might be synchonicity, or luck, or whatever, but I see it as more evidence that God is taking care of me. I am not sure who God is, but I'm sure He exists.
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The place I have reached in my musings so far is that the Gods of this world are immortal yet confined to this space and THEIR Gods arent, and so we have a stair-step reality of Universes one above the other...ad infinitum I suppose...and if we suffer too much at the hands of our immediate Gods then we have recource to THEIR bosses up the line...chain of command so to speak.
So I guess WE become Gods eventualy as immortals and OUR creations become further dalliances for our Superiors to enjoy.
What kind of reality will You create?
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Frog]
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but I see it as more evidence that God is taking care of me.
We have been over this before, but I have yet to "get it". You have also stated that you are not special (in God's eyes), so why do you feel he would take care of you and not others? It can't be all about perception; i.e. others not recognizing their blessings, for some people have truly appalling lives due to circumstances beyond their control. For examples: AIDS orphans in Africa.
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Frog]
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I had an experience today. I know it might be synchonicity, or luck, or whatever, but I see it as more evidence that God is taking care of me.
Since you accept that it could as well be synchonicity or luck or whatever as well as to be God, your God, and this makes you feel happy in your everyday life and in long-term goals that you set as well that's all you need to know.
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I am not sure who God is, but I'm sure He exists.
See? It is extremely difficult to renounce the faith that was brainwashed to you in a younger age by saying HE just after you say that you are not sure who God is...
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: castaway]
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Interesting theory, and in my opinion a quite fair possibility!
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As weird as it may seem, I think the God I have trouble with is Female....(as in Unreasonable?)...whether it's me learning to accept Her or t'other way around I don't know...But we Do go round'n round...'n such monkey tricks She does play.
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Swami]
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I believe who God is said to be, in the Bible.
Aside from that, though, I think God takes care of me, whoever He is as a being.
Okay, I have to say that God takes more care of me than He does of all you low-lifes. People, at first, usually just smile or laugh at me when I say God takes care of me. Eventually, they believe that something is going on because someone is looking out for me.
I've told other stories about my "luck", but here's one that just happened this morning...
I went to the store and used the self "check out" machine. I realized I forgot to get cream. I pushed the cart out of the way and went to get the cream. I accidentally left my change, about $8 and some change, in the machine.
When I came back to the machine, I saw my change in the tray. Cool! Pocketed it and started to ring up the cream. I noticed that someone must have been trying to use the machine, but no one was there, so I canceled their order and rang up the cream.
As I was walking away, a lady was coming back, with a manager, and I could hear her explaining to him that the machine was not working. Of course, I had just used it. He poked a few buttons and it was, of course, working. She was exclaiming, "But I just tried using it and it wouldn't work!" If it had worked, she would have found my change.
This kind of thing happens all the time. I win in court all the time. I lock my keys in the car and someone is there to help me. I always seem to have money when I need it. It's very, very strange. Or God is taking care of me.
I'm sorry about the orphans with AIDS in Africa. Karma can explain that.
See, I think God takes extra care of me because, as I discussed on another thread, I have Asperger's. I also have ADHD. I'm always on the verge of getting in trouble, somehow. I'm also sort of clueless, and don't notice much in life, in general. Either God has taken it upon Himself to personally look after me, or He has assigned to me some extra angels.
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Frog]
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that's cool. but I think as soon as you give IT a name IT is no longer IT. IT is not Yahweh, or Allah, not a He or a She. we only use these terms for convenience. IT can't be named - no human tongue can soil IT.
there's a saying in Buddhism: the tao that can be written is not the true tao. it's the same way with God, the unnamed. an ineffable, unknowable force that escapes definition. as you know, I don't believe in an intervening, personal God. I don't believe in an anthropomorphic God that can actually be known or defined by humans.
these are the 'definitions' I prefer. they're imperfect, but they're better than the traditional view...
Logos: the divine wisdom manifest in the creation, government, and redemption of the world and often identified with the second person of the Trinity
tao: a) the unconditional and unknowable source and guiding principle of all reality as conceived by Taoists b) the process of nature by which all things change and which is to be followed for a life of harmony
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Frog]
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Okay, I have to say that God takes more care of me than He does of all you low-lifes.
You said that because our answer was kind of strict maybe. All of us in this pole have started to agree in various things and you are comming and showing not only how narrow-minded you are but also bad manners. Is that what your religion tha takes care of you teach you to say? Low-lifes?HA, you made me laugh. You are a disgrace to the religion you believe.
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This kind of thing happens all the time. I win in court all the time. I lock my keys in the car and someone is there to help me. I always seem to have money when I need it. It's very, very strange. Or God is taking care of me.
I suggest you see The Devil's Advocate....or maybe not....this may be too much of a thriller for you.
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Either God has taken it upon Himself to personally look after me, or He has assigned to me some extra angels.
You know we were talking about being one with the universe and you are talking about the exact opposite. It really annoys me when people are so narrow-minded. Extra angels.....Your MIND can affect MATTER. Some people may love you and pray for you, use their mind's energy and maybe that is the reason you are so lucky as you proclaim to be. On the other hand you could just forgetting all the bad things that happned to you and sticking to the good ones. I don't know. I suggest you read two books....wait, here are the ISBN's :
0-486-60769-0 and 0-87542-118-0
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God is all-that-is
We are all god. Experiencing subjective realities to contribute to the objective reality.
We are all fragments of god.. like little cells of god. Each having the same potential as the original. All of life, all of existence, is god.
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"You said that because our answer was kind of strict maybe. All of us in this pole have started to agree in various things and you are comming and showing not only how narrow-minded you are but also bad manners. Is that what your religion tha takes care of you teach you to say? Low-lifes?HA, you made me laugh. You are a disgrace to the religion you believe.
Um, it was a joke, Shroomerious. Swami sometimes gets after me when I talk about God taking care of me, so I thought I was making a joke. I'm sorry if it didn't sound funny. I guess I forgot to put the obligatory little .
I don't think I am narrow-minded. Maybe you haven't read some of my other posts. I realize that what I believe might be incorrect. But I choose to believe what I believe until someone comes up with something better than what I believe. I can live with others having their separate, different beliefs. I don't feel the need to change anyone's mind.
"I suggest you see The Devil's Advocate....or maybe not....this may be too much of a thriller for you."
"Extra angels.....Your MIND can affect MATTER. Some people may love you and pray for you, use their mind's energy and maybe that is the reason you are so lucky as you proclaim to be. On the other hand you could just forgetting all the bad things that happned to you and sticking to the good ones. I don't know. I suggest you read two books....wait, here are the ISBN's :"
Now see? This is what I mean. I believe what I believe until someone comes up with something better. What's funny is that you made a connection for me, but you were kind of mean about it, just because you didn't realize that I was just trying to be humorous. It would have been nice if you had first asked "wtf" instead of jumping on me for being an asshole, when I am not an asshole.
Why is it other people praying for me that gets me what I need? Why isn't it me praying and using my mind to get me what I need? I think you're right about using my mind to get what I need. Someone else once said that I talk to people as if I expect to get what I want. I almost always get what I want. So maybe somehow, I'm using my mind more than I thought and just not realizing it. I sort of prefer to think that it's God, though. Sounds nicer. Actually, I really do believe God has a hand in all this.
I'm waiting on a book that I ordered called "The Field". I think it explains a lot.
And you're more right than you realize about forgetting the bad things that happen. For one thing, I am a major ADHDer. I have a lousy memory. For another, I don't mind when bad things happen, too much, because again, I believe in karma and God and the universe, and I believe that there is a reason for things happening. Usually, a lesson to be learned.
I suggest you read two books....wait, here are the ISBN's :"
What's an "ISBN"??
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Frog]
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A lady once told me a story like that when she was trying to convert me. She said that she left her purse at the mall a few days before Christmas, and it sat there for hours before she realized it was missing. She went back to the mall, and miraculously, it was not stolen. According to her, it was God's intervention.
But, like Swami's Aids inquiry that you did not address, why wouldn't God make Mohummed Atta slip on a bananna peel and incur a disabiling injury on 9/11?
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Shroomism]
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That's exactly the concept of Pantheism!!!!Most of us agree on that!!!You see we could start a clan!!! Ohhh ok, not. Anyway, 'tis good too hear similar opinions, I don't feel so alone anymore
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: SpecialEd]
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That's why I said it could be synchronicity, or luck, or whatever. But in my life, I do things like that all the time, and I always get my stuff back. I have locked my keys in my car or lost them so many times, but someone is always there to help, with no expense to me.
I left my PDA/cell phone at starbucks the other night and it was there the next morning. The money thing this morning. Dropped money in a store the other day and didn't realize it. There were people all over the place. When I noticed I dropped it, I retraced my steps and it was sitting on the floor, people walking all around it.
I am major ADHD. I lose everything. Forget everything. I like to think God is helping me keep track of stuff. What's so bad about thinking this way? Why can't I believe God is helping me? Why does it have to be luck?
And karma explains things like Atta not slipping on a banana peel.
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Frog]
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I didn't realise that it was a joke...Maybe it was because I am stil a noob in Shroomery and I haven't red many of your posts or because of my passion for what we are discussing or because of my bad English(as I said before...I am Greek); I feel sorry if I insulted you or anyway made you feel bad, this wasn't my intention.........
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Why is it other people praying for me that gets me what I need? Why isn't it me praying and using my mind to get me what I need? I think you're right about using my mind to get what I need. Someone else once said that I talk to people as if I expect to get what I want. I almost always get what I want. So maybe somehow, I'm using my mind more than I thought and just not realizing it. I sort of prefer to think that it's God, though. Sounds nicer. Actually, I really do believe God has a hand in all this.
Yes, if you prefer to believe that is God and it makes you feel better I have no objection
ISBN is something like the code of a certain book, instead of the title, you can find it by knowing the ISBN number.
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Frog]
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What's so bad about thinking this way? Why can't I believe God is helping me? Why does it have to be luck?
If it seems more realistic to you than for some of your friends-family-gods to have helped you, or anyway if you feel good believing it do so but appreciate the other points of view. Which as I can see you do...
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Yer cool, Shroomerious. And happy birthday!
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Frog]
#2281388 - 01/28/04 03:50 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's why I said it could be synchronicity, or luck, or whatever. But in my life, I do things like that all the time, and I always get my stuff back. I have locked my keys in my car or lost them so many times, but someone is always there to help, with no expense to me.
This reminds me of a time when my uncle was dying in upper Vermont in the wintertime and the whole family was gathering around him. My brother is a hard-core born-again Christian. He was driving five of us to my uncle's farmhouse at 5 AM. It was dark, cold and snowing hard. I warned him to slow down as we were approaching a tee in the road and he was a relatively inexperienced young driver. He ignored my advice and we slid off the road into a ditch. No one nor the car was hurt, but we were stuck there.
Mike says, "Don't worry, God will provide." A short time later a tractor happened to come by and pulled us out. Mike restates, "See? I told you God would provide." I retorted, "God provided me with a brain so as NOT to go off the road in the first place."
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Swami]
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"God provided me with a brain so as NOT to go off the road in the first place."
Nice point there...
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I think that there is a great possibility that we all live in a great big game and that maybe we have created this game.Technology in 20 years time, will develop Artificial Intelligence in the degree where microprocessors could, if allowed to, be smarter than humans. How do we know that the year now is not 2004 but 2024 and that we are not living in a game? We just don't. And you know what? That's the magic thing about and maybe we created our world as we know it today because by knowing everything, life was becoming quite dull. I don't know why I wrote that...But it keeps popping into my mind...
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Swami]
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"God provided me with a brain so as NOT to go off the road in the first place."
What's a "brain"???
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I don't know why I wrote that...But it keeps popping into my mind...
that's good man. we need more stream of consciousness style writing in here I've seen enough impeccably written bullshit to last a lifetime
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Frog]
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What's a "brain"???
A brain works with and induces electro-magnetic waves in order to take decisions. I am not sure if God provided us with a brain and if yes, what God was that but whoever or whatever did it gave us the ability to tottaly control our life and don't have the need of iventing a mighty God.
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Because God is infinty, any theories on 'who' or 'what' God is hold true for whoever is holding the belief. The only way to know God is to completely fathom infinity which is impossible from the incredible narrow vantage of a human consciousness. "If you've got enough naivety and you've got conviction then the answer is perfect for you" Greg Graffin - Bad Religion
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Because God is infinty, any theories on 'who' or 'what' God is hold true for whoever is holding the belief.
And how do you know that God IS infinity? It is only a propable suggestion. Nothing more nothing less.
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I don't believe that our Universe is just merely a chaotic random assortment of stars and galaxies that just occured from nothing for nothing or without any special reason, or anything along those lines.
Ordered Chaos, It is infinite and anything can happen. Spiritual beings existing on different planes that we cannot experience is totally plausible in my mind. We are inside it, the only way to fathom what is going on is to look from outside 'the thing' or to be 'the thing'. The situation, experience, what ever you want to call it( God maybe) is ridiculously ludicrously overboard to say the least, I would say infinite but we cannot fathom that.
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Because God is infinty, any theories on 'who' or 'what' God is hold true for whoever is holding the belief.
And how do you know that God IS infinity? It is only a propable suggestion. Nothing more nothing less.
Anything is a probable suggestion. I also went on to say that beliefs are true to whoever holds them. I meant "in my mind god is infinity". I don't "know" anything.
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Then we agree again. Beacause in my mind I also think that god is infinity and I view myself to be more of a pantheist than any other religion or so.
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I also consider myself a panthiest, although I prefer not to be branded with some tag.
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I went and looked up "Pantheism". I like it. If I wasn't a Christian, I'd most definitely be a Pantheist.
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Frog]
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I consider myself more of a Pantyist.
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Swami]
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So....there is this one religion, Pantheism that is accepted by most of us. It really is a beautifull religion, and the reason is that when all of the God's that some believe fail, and they will fail some day or the other, you have your friend, family, animal, little plants that you care about, nature, universe, everything to care also for you...!
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Shroomerious said: So....there is this one religion, Pantheism that is accepted by most of us. It really is a beautifull religion, and the reason is that when all of the God's that some believe fail, and they will fail some day or the other, you have your friend, family, animal, little plants that you care about, nature, universe, everything to care also for you...!
That is.....there is agreat possibility that this happens and it has a lot to do with positive and negative energy and previous actions and many other things. When you pray if you are a pantheist, you don't pray to someone in particular, you pray to everything and that's the beauty of it.
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Swami]
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"Don't worry, God will provide."
Classic mystic one-sidedness.
Slide into a ditch: God didn't provide traction in the snow, so don't mention it.
Someone comes along and helps: HALLELUJAH!
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Get robbed, beaten within an inch of your life, and left for dead: God had nothing to do with that, it was the robber.
Recover in the hospital a few days later: were it not for God, I would have died!
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Swami]
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I consider myself more of a Pantyist
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Re: WHO IS GOD??? [Re: Diploid]
#5510787 - 04/13/06 12:26 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lol...
You know what the classic thing is with really religious people..You change their minds, persuade them of the uncertainty of our world and after some time they just forget about it and you have to speak to them for 6 hours again lol
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