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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: McKennaFan200]
#3388782 - 11/20/04 11:12 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I applaud your efforts to answer my questions, but your questions point towards a mind that is holding beliefs that it has no real basis or reason for holding. You, once again, have absolutely no objective or personal experience which will verify or even give real suggestion to the existance of a God, or the unquestionable truth of the Bible.
If my questions are not really questions than you because your beliefs are so wired into your mind, then there is a problem on your end, and it involves holding irrefutable beliefs when you have absolutely nothing to base them on.
Spirituality requires one to question and to not hold beliefs or ideas that interfere with one's direct perception of reality as it occurs. As you hold assumptions that have no base, and hold them with such a degree that you will not even question them, then you are very far from spiritual truth indeed. You are deluded, essentially.
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: fireworks_god]
#3388868 - 11/20/04 11:31 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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God gives his wisdom freely to those who seek it. How can you expect to understand the things of God when you are not seeking him with all your fibers?
You are attempting to debate with the wisdom of God.
And how can I or anyone convince you other wise? We can not
The knowledge and grace that God has givin me I cannot give to you.
Nether can anyone else.
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: fireworks_god]
#3388910 - 11/20/04 11:40 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have come to the conclusion that you will not and cannot even hear me out. You are right, oh hail the great fireworks god. You are nothing more than a troublemaker, casting doubt (or attempting to) on potential believers. And in the final hour I will not mind that you are going to die the second death.
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3388915 - 11/20/04 11:41 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not at all, it is impossible to debate with wisdom of an entity that is not known and has never been experienced. Nothing is giving anyone any wisdom, you are collecting it yourself by your own means. How can you expect to see reality as it is when you are straining yourself in an attempt to know something outside of what is presentable in this reality? No point in delusion, if God is going to be witnessed, it will be in this very moment, and any belief or assumption based on nothing presented in observable reality is only going to blind you to the very thing you seek in such vanity.
"I contend that the state of Michigan floats in the air and is not accessible to anyone on this planet. Anyone believing they are from the state of Michigan is living in delusion, anyone who thinks Michigan is a real state is ignorant. I cannot do anything to demonstrate to you that Michigan floats in the air and cannot be accessed by humans because you do not make effort to believe it. I cannot pass to you this heavenly knowledge of the true state of Michigan, you will have to force yourself to believe it on your own."
Peace.
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: McKennaFan200]
#3388918 - 11/20/04 11:42 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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And in the final hour I will not mind that you are going to die the second death.
Brutal - condemned a fate worse than the first death for chopping the wrong logic. Edit: fixed typo
Edited by phi1618 (11/20/04 11:43 AM)
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: phi1618]
#3388947 - 11/20/04 11:48 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I will not be the one condemning. You have a choice whether you live eternally or die the second death. But I just have a feeling this one isn't going anywhere good. He'll probably even drive Satan crazy. Brutal- Yes Fair- Very much so.
-------------------- "It seemed to me culture is a shabby lie. Or at least this culture is a shabby lie. If you work like a dog, you get 260 channels of bad television and a German automobile. What kind of perfection is that?"-McKenna
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: MOTH]
#3388949 - 11/20/04 11:48 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree with the "unified whole" idea. I'm not sure I would say I believe in a "God" per se, though you could call it that. I believe in an omnipresent force in the universe which binds us all. It would probably be most comparable to the Tao.
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: McKennaFan200]
#3388951 - 11/20/04 11:49 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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McKennaFan200 said: I have come to the conclusion that you will not and cannot even hear me out. You are right, oh hail the great fireworks god. You are nothing more than a troublemaker, casting doubt (or attempting to) on potential believers. And in the final hour I will not mind that you are going to die the second death.
It is hard to hear someone out when they do not present in any logical or reasonable way what "I cannot hear out".
Since when is stressing the importance of questioning one's beliefs and of taking real, conscious responsibility for oneself and their mind "trouble-making?"
When the man walked up to me and said he could start himself on fire, then precede to fly by flapping his arms, and, as a spectacular finale, ascend into Heaven, I admit that I casted doubt on his proposal. Alas, he would not allow for his belief in his abilities to be questioned, and he did so precede to start himself on fire... I admit it was rather amusing, watching a burning man flail his arms in a vain attempt to fly. Even when he still had a chance to stop, drop, and roll, in order to save his own life, he continued to flap his arms, as his belief was so unquestionable and unverifiably "right". I'm sad to say that his rapid movements of his arms actually caused him to burn quicker, exposing the flames to more and more oxygen....
Peace.
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: McKennaFan200]
#3388958 - 11/20/04 11:51 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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McKennaFan200 said: I will not be the one condemning. You have a choice whether you live eternally or die the second death. But I just have a feeling this one isn't going anywhere good. He'll probably even drive Satan crazy. Brutal- Yes Fair- Very much so.
Please spare me the bullshit scare tactics. Please explain to me how the cognitive function of believing or not believing in a particular mythology makes any difference in whether or not I am a good person or not. And please do explain how being condemned to Hell for such skepticism is anywhere approaching fairness.
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: fireworks_god]
#3388969 - 11/20/04 11:55 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: Not at all, it is impossible to debate with wisdom of an entity that is not known and has never been experienced. Nothing is giving anyone any wisdom, you are collecting it yourself by your own means. How can you expect to see reality as it is when you are straining yourself in an attempt to know something outside of what is presentable in this reality? No point in delusion, if God is going to be witnessed, it will be in this very moment, and any belief or assumption based on nothing presented in observable reality is only going to blind you to the very thing you seek in such vanity.
"I contend that the state of Michigan floats in the air and is not accessible to anyone on this planet. Anyone believing they are from the state of Michigan is living in delusion, anyone who thinks Michigan is a real state is ignorant. I cannot do anything to demonstrate to you that Michigan floats in the air and cannot be accessed by humans because you do not make effort to believe it. I cannot pass to you this heavenly knowledge of the true state of Michigan, you will have to force yourself to believe it on your own."
Peace.
See what I mean? read your post again.
It will not matter what I say. You have made up your mind I am full of shit.
That's ok......I felt the same way for many years until I truly was a seeker of God and put aside my own thoughts and sought his.
It looks like me and you have come to a end. I wish you the best of luck with your limited understanding of God and his ways. I will ask God to open a few doors of understanding for you friend
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: silversoul7]
#3388974 - 11/20/04 11:57 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's black and white my goatse friend. You believe and live in the word, you live eternally. You don't believe, you don't live in the word, you die the second death and are washed away for the human waste that you are. That's Biblical. I'm not judging anybody here, it is written. If that scares you, that is your problem. I have not an ounce of fear.
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3388977 - 11/20/04 11:58 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love how religious people dodge questions by going on the defensive and claiming that we've already made up our minds. Do you really expect us to just "get it" without you explaining your position? Those of us who haven't made up our minds like to question things. And if you can't answer those questions, then don't be surprised when we don't swallow your ideas whole.
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: McKennaFan200]
#3388986 - 11/20/04 11:59 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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McKennaFan200 said: It's black and white my goatse friend. You believe and live in the word, you live eternally. You don't believe, you don't live in the word, you die the second death and are washed away for the human waste that you are. That's Biblical. I'm not judging anybody here, it is written. If that scares you, that is your problem. I have not an ounce of fear.
I see you have not answered my questions. HOW is this fair? And HOW does it have any bearing on my merit as a person?
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: silversoul7]
#3388993 - 11/20/04 12:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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What do you want me to say that God came to me in the night riding a chariot of fire?? Or that Jesus himself walked up to me at church? Or that I healed a 8 year old child from hundreds of warts? Or that I started a homeless shelter under the direction of God and saved hundreds of street people from dying? Or I was told to drive 300 miles not knowing where I was going until I meet this guy who was about to blow his brains out. I have never claimed to be religous you did. I claim to have a private realtionship with God. Nothing more. Ask your questions I will answer them.
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Edited by Fucknuckle (11/20/04 12:08 PM)
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: silversoul7]
#3389006 - 11/20/04 12:06 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Please spare me the bullshit scare tactics. Please explain to me how the cognitive function of believing or not believing in a particular mythology makes any difference in whether or not I am a good person or not. And please do explain how being condemned to Hell for such skepticism is anywhere approaching fairness."-You
It's not bullshit. It's not mythology. It is fair because you have the opportunity to become better. You choose not to, not His fault. He warned all of us, some just don't listen. Get it?
-------------------- "It seemed to me culture is a shabby lie. Or at least this culture is a shabby lie. If you work like a dog, you get 260 channels of bad television and a German automobile. What kind of perfection is that?"-McKenna
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: McKennaFan200]
#3389012 - 11/20/04 12:07 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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McKennaFan200 said: It's not bullshit. It's not mythology. It is fair because you have the opportunity to become better. You choose not to, not His fault. He warned all of us, some just don't listen. Get it?
Except for the part about how believing something which I've been given no rational reason to believe somehow makes me "better." God gave me logic, and I intend to use it.
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3389020 - 11/20/04 12:09 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Person 1 puts faith unconditionally in what they believe, without any intent to waver on their beliefs. They hold fast to their beliefs in all situations. Person 2 questions the beliefs of others, as well as THEIR OWN beliefs, for the sake of maintaining a grounded state of being without allowing POSSIBLY false beliefs to cloud their judgement. Which one has "already made up their mind?" Which one is close-minded? Beliefs are healthy until one stops questioning their beliefs. Then they become dangerous. Unquestioned beliefs are what lead to things like planes flying into the world trade center. I'm sorry that I have to use such an extreme example to make my point, but that seems to be what it has come to...
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: McKennaFan200]
#3389024 - 11/20/04 12:10 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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man, that's some passive-aggressive bullshit. "You're gonna burn for disagreeing with me, and you deserve it. But, it's not my will, oh no, it's God's will, see?"
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: silversoul7]
#3389047 - 11/20/04 12:15 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Like I said, I could write forever and you'll still doubt because you have not found God. He's there, you just haven't given your love to him or read his letter that he has written to all his faithful believers (the Bible). Once and if you give yourself to him (he already owns you by the way) it will be so much clearer. So much more "rational" as you put it.
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Re: "Gods loves us".....but why? [Re: phi1618]
#3389054 - 11/20/04 12:17 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Did I say he was going to burn for disagreeing with me? NO. But surely he will burn for hating and disagreeing with God.
-------------------- "It seemed to me culture is a shabby lie. Or at least this culture is a shabby lie. If you work like a dog, you get 260 channels of bad television and a German automobile. What kind of perfection is that?"-McKenna
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