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 Re: Praise God  [Re: Moonshoe]
#3291765 - 10/28/04 10:24 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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dont we all?
No. One cannot attribute blessings or good things to God and not the horrid things. Either it all comes from God, the shit and the horror included, or it is all just happenstance. So when your sister gets raped and your child gets killed by a drunk driver and you can give thanks for that as well (I have yet to meet ANYONE like that!), this is all just another self-deceiving feel-good game.
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Re: Praise God [Re: SoulTech]
#3291768 - 10/28/04 10:25 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh, I see. Well, I suppose those are some definite presumptions that I've decided to accept. Although, I'm not certain God needs to be praised. But the existence of a divine force and its influence on life has always been a solid personal faith.
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Re: Praise God [Re: Viaggio]
#3292702 - 10/29/04 04:46 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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tracing said:
On a more personal note. When I got very depressed I often looked for some kind of outlet to something above and beyond, ie: god, but it has NEVER played through. Thats not to say I dont think God exists, Im agnostic towards the matter. But "god"/it whatever you call it seems to be as neutral towards my demise as much as towards a life of great uplifting, basicly whichever way the wind blows.
God would have to be an impartial observer, indeed. 
When one praises God, it isn't God receiving the praise - it is the person that is doing the praising. The mental effects of praise and being thankful aren't coming from anywhere other than oneself. Our mind and our thoughts create our experience. There is no need to create more variables than neccessary to explain this, as Swami might indeed say. 
All this does is set up another level of the ego, which is labeled God. "God's desire to be acknowledged" sounds more like one's own ego that wishes to be acknowledged. If I were to set God up as a force permeating all of the universe, a source of everything and the source of consciousness, I wouldn't even consider this God to have any desire. God would be Zen; God would be Tao. 
The story of Creation, and one singularity fragmenting into infinity in order to know itself, to me, seems to be parallel to the ego. In fact, it sounds exactly like the ego. In fact, the story of Creation merely sounds like the creation of the ego - a state of complete awareness interupted by a thought, which inevitably provoked thousands of thoughts. A sense of identiy, a need to be acknowledged, a need to know oneself - the ego. 
I don't see God as having any desire to know itself or its Creation. God is silence, formlessness. His Creation is naturally born from this, and it is the Creation that may or may not desire to know itself and to know God. Form is born of formless, sound from silence, etc.
This is why I don't see God as having a desire to be acknowledged, and I don't see any effects coming from a "relationship with God" emerging from anything other than your own mind (as it is really just a relationship with yourself). Shit, gotta go, more later perhaps.
 
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you all gotta understand though, The God in the bible does'nt just see things the way we see them, he see's evrything all at once, the whole picture, you know? he see's people suffering now for 75 years on earth and also see's them in heaven for billions of years in to the future in everlasting joy, the pain we feel now is here to make us stronger, better people.
I think after a couple seconds of heaven, we would all just forget about how shitty life was on earth but i'm sure the lesson's we've learned here will stay with us for all of eternity.
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Re: Praise God [Re: JCoke]
#3293204 - 10/29/04 09:51 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is all fine and good, but I honestly do not see the point of externalizing God, as (parts) of the Bible have (the parts that don't are not understood by the majority).
Heaven is already here, one must stop seperating themselves from it.
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by Heaven, I mean closer To God
and by Hell, I mean further From God
Heaven is'nt here yet, neither is Hell.
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"I traveled a long way seeking God, but when I finally gave up and turned back, there He was, within me! O Lalli! Now why do you wander like a beggar? Make some effort, and He will grant you a vision of Himself in the form of bliss in your heart." -the saint of the Kashmir Shaivism tradition: Lalli.
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Re: Praise God [Re: JCoke]
#3293230 - 10/29/04 09:59 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heaven is'nt here yet, neither is Hell.
Then I'm sorry for you. 
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don't be sorry for me.
you, me and everyone reading this have are own little worlds that we live in, i'm at peace with it, hope you are too. 
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All this does is set up another level of the ego, which is labeled God. "God's desire to be acknowledged" sounds more like one's own ego that wishes to be acknowledged. If I were to set God up as a force permeating all of the universe, a source of everything and the source of consciousness, I wouldn't even consider this God to have any desire. God would be Zen; God would be Tao.
The story of Creation, and one singularity fragmenting into infinity in order to know itself, to me, seems to be parallel to the ego. In fact, it sounds exactly like the ego. In fact, the story of Creation merely sounds like the creation of the ego - a state of complete awareness interupted by a thought, which inevitably provoked thousands of thoughts. A sense of identiy, a need to be acknowledged, a need to know oneself - the ego.
I completely understand your point, FG, but I find a certain level of comfort and satisfaction by doing this.
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Re: Praise God [Re: Viaggio]
#3293433 - 10/29/04 11:05 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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viaggio said:
I completely understand your point, FG, but I find a certain level of comfort and satisfaction by doing this.
One can still give thanks and treasure the experiences and appreciate existance, genuinely appreciate it, and experience the positive results from doing so, but does one have to label it as coming from God?
Peace.
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Nope...but one can choose to 
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Re: Praise God [Re: Viaggio]
#3296111 - 10/30/04 01:36 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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viaggio said:
Nope...but one can choose to
But why seperate oneself further from the truth, unnecessarily? 
Peace.
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