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why you should believe in god
    #1923507 - 09/17/03 12:20 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)


in a post by randalflagg:

"I believe that an intelligence exists in this universe. I will
admit that I have no proof of this and that I base this belief on a
visceral feeling that I have. I believe that this intelligence had a
hand in our creation and growth, cares for us, and has motivations
and abilities that are absolutely beyond our comprehension. I have
designated this intelligence as "god".... "

Many people have this feeling! I dont know why sometimes people wont accept that there is a higher conciousness than our human experience. I think many things in "organised" religion are bad, but alot of the values are true, and global. Why cant people understand that even if there isent a god or higher conciousness, that believing in one, without a doubt influences your life in a possitive manner, and effects your thought process and human experience?

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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: 2Experimental]
    #1923540 - 09/17/03 12:28 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

"Why cant people understand that even if there isent a god or higher conciousness, that believing in one, without a doubt influences your life in a possitive manner, and effects your thought process and human experience?"

Why can't people understand that believing in a god or higher consciousness without a doubt places lots of the RESPONSIBILITY AND POWER somewhere other than WITHIN?

I think people who believe there is a set "reality" (which includes people who believe in some type of god) are being PLAYED, PIMPED, and EXPLOITED by those who realize that nothing is real except what we make up.


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Edited by Strumpling (09/17/03 12:31 AM)


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Strumpling]
    #1923573 - 09/17/03 12:36 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I may believe in god. But my god is no person. I dunno if i can call my god an entity. Maybe my god is that of being alive. Or the working process of the world. Is that a valid god, cause if so, i dont see how it can not exist.

God is what you make of it, i have my personal beliefs.
I dont try and argue this subject though, because my god doesnt care who your god is, because
my god is your god too ;]
my god is me, and my god is you.
my god is false, and my god is true
my god is people, black, white or blue.
my god is love, that i have unconditionally for you.
my god may be fake, or somehow untrue,
but my god is love, and lovin is what i do.


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: tak]
    #1923688 - 09/17/03 01:13 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

argh if you believe in "that of being alive" or "the working process of the world" then why would you call it GOD?

When you use the word God, most modern people still imagine you're referring to the christian bullshit.

man we need to eliminate this word from history: "GOD"

There are too many contradictory definitions for this word nowadays for it to really be very useful, IN MY OPINION, unless people are just using it for social acceptance like "yeah sure of course I believe in God" and then under their breath they say 'god = everything.'


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Strumpling]
    #1923874 - 09/17/03 02:08 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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man we need to eliminate this word from history: "GOD"




Although many people seem to prefer modern language when it comes to speech and their local written versions of the "word of God", I've always been partial to the "thees" and "thous". Addressing one another in this way acknowledges the divinity in each person. It was a useful method of speech. People have sterilized all the romance and depth right out of the Bible in favor of drive-thru religion.

The idea of God for most people seems to mean a personification of the uncontrollable forces in our lives. By defining Him we limit him and thus we have a handle on him- a control. We can't have someone running around running our lives without some sense of control now can we??



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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Jellric]
    #1924093 - 09/17/03 03:34 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

"We can't have someone running around running our lives without some sense of control now can we??"

We in the United States are in this situation with our government. They are running our lives and we are losing our sense of control.


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Jellric]
    #1924271 - 09/17/03 05:14 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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I've always been partial to the "thees" and "thous".



I think arcane language creates a sort of distance to the message, so I'm an a-thee-ist. :smile:
 


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1924283 - 09/17/03 05:24 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I acknowledge the fact that there is a Creation, that the "Creator" is the guy that is this Creation in its entirety, and that I am also a Creator that shapes universes and galaxies with my hands and my mind..
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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1924322 - 09/17/03 05:51 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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that I am also a Creator that shapes universes and galaxies with my hands and my mind..
 




Thou art That, fireworks_god. :smile:


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Jellric]
    #1924358 - 09/17/03 06:24 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Jellric said:
Thou art That, fireworks_god. :smile:




Heh, we all are Gods, some of us just don't utilize our God powers.. :grin:
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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1924365 - 09/17/03 06:42 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

This has been one of the most intelligent discussions on god I have ever seen. Strumpling, you are so right about the word "god". I hate that word. It's one of the few words I know of that actually INHIBITS communication. I guess my views on god are that we as humans are the most refined expression of god's awareness that we know of. God's highest expression of intelligence however would be nature itself. Other than that, I don't like the word god because it limits how I can explain my spiritual views, so that's all I got to say right now.


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1924369 - 09/17/03 06:54 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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I am also a Creator that shapes universes and galaxies with my hands and my mind..



"Galaxies" like in the plural form of galaxy? Which galaxies bear the mark of your hands, apart from the Milky Way galaxy?


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1924392 - 09/17/03 07:16 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Rhizoid said:
Quote:

I am also a Creator that shapes universes and galaxies with my hands and my mind..



"Galaxies" like in the plural form of galaxy? Which galaxies bear the mark of your hands, apart from the Milky Way galaxy?





All the galaxies contained in my body and mind..
Peace.


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1924409 - 09/17/03 07:33 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Take responsibility for your own actions. Stop blaming everything on a "higher force". We thought he was there, we went there, he's not, just give it up.


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Spokesman]
    #1925855 - 09/17/03 06:24 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I don't see how being a believer in a personalistic God would ever take responsibility away from you and place it into the hands of God. Christianity, for instance, doesn't say God takes responsibility away from the individual. It says you have to resist Satan's temptations. That, however, doesn't ever mean you can blame Satan for a, say, murder you commit. It means you yourself have proven too weak.

Faith, if anything, encourages personal responsibility and moral actions.


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Strumpling]
    #1925869 - 09/17/03 06:29 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Strumpling said:
I think people who believe there is a set "reality" (which includes people who believe in some type of god) are being PLAYED, PIMPED, and EXPLOITED by those who realize that nothing is real except what we make up.




So, by your definition, would a made up "set reality" be any less real than a "real set reality"? If you want to continue among that line of thinking, I'll ask you: can we know anything at all?


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Alan Stone]
    #1926568 - 09/17/03 10:25 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm... boy do i have a list of questions to ask this "god" when i die........................... or whatever.... :mad2:


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Spokesman]
    #1926969 - 09/18/03 12:25 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

There is absolutely no reason to assume any gods exist. Its mainly from fear of a random existence, and the return to nothingness upon death that all this maifests. People prepare for an afterlife while they waste away the only guaranteed time they get. Its very sad. Organized religion is an archaic institution that in today's society causes infinitely more problems than it helps.


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Alan Stone]
    #1926975 - 09/18/03 12:26 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Well put.

God gave us freewill. I dont understand how people miss that just because you believe in God it doesnt mean that you dont make your own choices and are rewarded or punished due to them.


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Buddrow]
    #1926994 - 09/18/03 12:33 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

There is absolutely no reason to assume any gods exist.

Do you never feel any forces around you? Cradling you in the humanity of nature or soul life?

Its mainly from fear of a random existence, and the return to nothingness upon death that all this maifests. People prepare for an afterlife while they waste away the only guaranteed time they get.

What about those who make use of every minute of their lives? Why does believing in an afterlife stop one from living their current life?
What about those who spend all their time thinking their is no God and waste their lives on nothingness? Isnt it all about what you do with your life, regardless?

Its very sad. Organized religion is an archaic institution that in today's society causes infinitely more problems than it helps.
I dunno who has been organizing your religion, but perhaps lumping all people into one box causes infinately more problems then it could ever help/


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