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Offlinemirror_saw
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Re: If they found definitive proof of an afterlife.... [Re: Zahid]
    #827679 - 08/19/02 10:22 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Shroomism:

We are all children of Creation, we are all a part of God. God will not deny his children. Perhaps they need to learn a few things before they can reach a higher state, but they are not stagnant in hell forever.

Zahid:

What is your belief based on? Absolutely nothing. You conjugated it yourself so you can sleep at night while you reject the message of Muhammad, Christ, and Moses.

You say that Shroomism's belief's are based on nothing. You could find support for them in the books of Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism etc.

Also, the writings of Christian and Muslim Mystics can express very similar ideas to the Eastern mystics. The one significant difference is that they don't say there is a shared identity with the divine (although they come close to it). This may be because if they did they would likely be executed for blasphemy. Mystics in both these faiths have on occasion managed to get themselves into some fairly serious trouble by overstepping the mark.



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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: If they found definitive proof of an afterlife.... [Re: mirror_saw]
    #827717 - 08/19/02 10:40 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

The brain is god.


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Re: If they found definitive proof of an afterlife.... [Re: mirror_saw]
    #827768 - 08/19/02 11:08 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah thanks for that... my beliefs are not based on nothing. I use elements of Taoism, Buddhism, Paganism..hell there's probably a couple elements of Satanism and Christianity in there too..and combine them with my own experiences and form what I call Shroomism. It's not so much of a religion as it is just a way to feel connected. It works for me, cool. That's what beliefs are.. a mentally projected image of how something will be...that image may not be completely accurate, but it certainly can go a long way in determing how one deals with that something once they are face to face with it. Zahid is pretty steadfast in his beliefs... that's ok. So am I, I suppose. Until I'm shown different, then I will change my beliefs accordingly.


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Offlinemirror_saw
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Re: If they found definitive proof of an afterlife.... [Re: ]
    #827841 - 08/19/02 11:34 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I wasn't trying to offend you by telling you what you believe, and what your beliefs are based on. I don't know you, and I obviously wouldn't claim to know why you believe what you do.

I was just pointing out that the idea that hell is not a permanent state, and that everyone is eventually liberated does have support in a number of religions, it's not something that's just made up. Although if you are saying you did just make it up then fine.

Zahid was saying his belief was based on the Koran. My point was really to ask why is the Koran any more reliable than other traditions holy books.

I apologize if you got the impression that I was misrepresenting you, or presuming to understand your beliefs. That wasn't my intention.


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Anonymous

Re: If they found definitive proof of an afterlife.... [Re: mirror_saw]
    #827860 - 08/19/02 11:40 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

No offense taken


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Re: If they found definitive proof of an afterlife.... [Re: Traveller]
    #827873 - 08/19/02 11:45 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

how would the existence of an afterlife suggest a purpose in this life?

That would just be my take on it. If there was no intended purpose, why divide the experience? By purpose I just mean "not random". I think the "purpose" of dividing the life experience up into segments would be so that we might experience it from different points of view. I see that as purpose.


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Offlinemirror_saw
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Re: If they found definitive proof of an afterlife.... [Re: ]
    #827992 - 08/19/02 12:28 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

my beliefs are not based on nothing

I may have misread this as being poor english... e.g. "I didn't do nothing"



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Anonymous

Re: If they found definitive proof of an afterlife.... [Re: mirror_saw]
    #828015 - 08/19/02 12:41 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

heh yeah sorry for the double negative


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OfflineDanimal
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Re: If they found definitive proof of an afterlife.... [Re: Zahid]
    #836931 - 08/22/02 09:13 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

When you begin to open your heart to God, He will quickly guide you to the straight path.
This implies freewill and ability to accept God/Allah, and in doing so, Allah will help you asap.

May Allah guide you? That is for Allah to decide.
This implies Allah chooses who are the lucky souls and who he's going to guide.

Er....I'm confused.

In response to the original thread, I'd have to plea the sclorch. If the God Zahid preaches were the real deal(I doubt it), I definitely wouldn't worship a hell-condemning, angry-sounding higher being. But that's just me, the silly infidel.


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