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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: PsiloKitten]
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what makes you presume that this conciousness is good? or even higher for that matter?

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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: PsiloKitten]
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Do you never feel any forces around you? Cradling you in the humanity of nature or soul life?


Nope.

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What about those who make use of every minute of their lives? Why does believing in an afterlife stop one from living their current life?


If you alter your actions because you are worried about judgement in death, you are living a lie and a wasted life. Even if there were such a judgement, to believe that you have any real knowledge of it is rediculous. Its just as likely you would wind up in hell for doing the things you felt would get you in heaven. What really matters is being true to yourself, and what is important to you. You>Family>Society>The World.

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What about those who spend all their time thinking their is no God and waste their lives on nothingness? Isnt it all about what you do with your life, regardless?


Basically, yes. But religion effects more than just you.

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I dunno who has been organizing your religion, but perhaps lumping all people into one box causes infinately more problems then it could ever help


I could amend that to say "supernatural-based religions". Some are obviously more damaging that others, but even at their most benign they serve little purpose beyond an "opiate for the masses".

Generalization is a survival technique. Look around the world and see that most of our problems are directly related to religious conflict. I do not judge every individual based on whether they claim to follow a certain religion, but I do feel contempt towards most religions and what they represent.

"Image no religion" John Lennon had the right idea.









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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: 2Experimental]
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It's called the collective unconcious read some carl young a dash of froid<<(I don't know about this spelling) and a sprinkle of deepok even hough too much of him will rot your mind


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: 2Experimental]
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Oh yea and read my quote apply it to any situation you want the concept of any of the major religion's gods seem absurd to me.....and that was back when I went to church.......


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Alan Stone]
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Alan Stone said:
So, by your definition, would a made up "set reality" be any less real than a "real set reality"? If you want to continue among that line of thinking, I'll ask you: can we know anything at all?


What actually validates one set of reality as real and another as not being real? Other people? Phhhh.
Peace.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: 2Experimental]
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one cannot prove nor disprove the existance of a higher intelligence in the universe.

that leaves room for faith or agnosticism for the reasonable.

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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: ]
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Yo Buddrow, Your on point, I dunno why alot of people interperet the feelings they get into something, and then live by it as if its been proven. Just because you think that feeling you get is God doesent make it so. Fear of a random exsistance can do alot to civilization, just look at how many religions they have made up. There are religions coming up everyday. It just so happens that the goverment you were born into was Christian, and they told you that this feeling you get is "god". I never had this feeling and if i did i doubt it's my creator trying to warn me of his existance. Does that mean that you have a god and i dont? I bet you if there IS a higher councisness around us they're laughing it up at how goable humans are of their feelings and thoughts when thats all they are, feelings and thoughts, nothing that doesent get altered in a mushroom or acid trip. Amen!


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Spokesman]
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one cannot prove nor disprove the existance of a higher intelligence in the universe.

that leaves room for faith or agnosticism for the reasonable.



This is false logic. You could apply the same thing to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Would you honestly say its "reasonable" for an adult to believe in those?

Edited by Buddrow (09/18/03 08:58 AM)

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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Buddrow]
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no.

it's not reasonable (but not unreasonable) to believe in god.

that's why it's called faith.

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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Buddrow]
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Buddrow said:
This is false logic. You could apply the same thing to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Would you honestly say its "reasonable" for an adult to believe in those?



Well, there isn't any proof that there is or is not a Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, so I would honestly say that it is reasonable to neither believe in them OR not believe in them.
Peace.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: fireworks_god]
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Believing in unproven statements does not equate with reason.

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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
What actually validates one set of reality as real and another as not being real? Other people? Phhhh.
Peace.


I wasn't trying to convince you of my view. I was asking about yours. You seemed to imply (correct me if I'm wrong) that the only thing that's real is in our heads. Then what is the difference between a made up reality and a real reality pieced together from impressions of the world without?


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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Buddrow]
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Buddrow said:
Believing in unproven statements does not equate with reason.


If scientists, who embody the pinnacle of rational thought, believed that, they wouldn't bother to postulate theories and subsequently test them.


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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Alan Stone]
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"So, by your definition, would a made up 'set reality' be any less real than a 'real set reality'?"

no I'm saying there IS NO "real set reality." I'm saying that people who REALIZE there is no real set reality can set up any kind of reality they wish (government, religions...), and those who believe there "really is a real set reality" will simply accept these virtual realities (government, religions, lifestyles, "cultures...") as "THE WAY THINGS HAVE TO BE."

Our current situation arises, I BELIEVE, from the progression of time - time has killed off the original founders of these virtual realities, these "guidelines for life" that somewhat enlightened people willed into existence generations ago.. These original reality builders (people who organize new religions, people who organize governmental structures, even those who design office buildings..) have died off and all these other scumbags have swooped in to claim the same "power" without having the same mind or motivation behind the creation of said "power/influence."

lol I don't know how else to explain the idea... but its getting quite off-topic by now..

"I'll ask you: can we know anything at all?"

I don't think so - not 100% well we know that things will always change/evolve, but that's about it.


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Insert an "I think" mentally in front of eveything I say that seems sketchy, because I certainly don't KNOW much. Also; feel free to yell at me.
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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Strumpling]
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After 3 pages I still don't believe in god.


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"If you had a million years to do it in, you couldn't rub out even half the 'Fuck you' signs in the world."- J. D. Salinger

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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: the universe]
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heh yeah me either..


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Strumpling]
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Nor do I.


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"In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination."
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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Autonomous]
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Nope, no belief miraculously sprouting here.


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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Spokesman]
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Why you SHOULDN'T believe in God:

Its arrogant to think we have it all figured out, and quite insulting to "nature" to give credit elsewhere.


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Insert an "I think" mentally in front of eveything I say that seems sketchy, because I certainly don't KNOW much. Also; feel free to yell at me.
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Re: why you should believe in god [Re: Alan Stone]
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Alan Stone said:
I wasn't trying to convince you of my view. I was asking about yours. You seemed to imply (correct me if I'm wrong) that the only thing that's real is in our heads. Then what is the difference between a made up reality and a real reality pieced together from impressions of the world without?


Yes, that is exactly what I am implying...

We are just Creators forming our own reality within the reality formed by a greater Creator. The "real world", like the physical attributes of this planet and so forth would be his reality, but we can bend and shape his creation to our own whims..

If something feels "real", to you, then isn't it actually real? A guy in an institution that lives in his head and has imaginary friends that appear real to him is living in his reality, and his reality is real to him. We might say that it isn't, since we don't experience his reality, we can easily just say "it is just his imagination over-reacting" or some shit, but the reality that we experience in our OWN heads is at least somewhat different than the reality expeirenced by others..
Peace.


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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