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What God do you believe in (if any)...
    #3231879 - 10/08/04 05:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I have been struggling with this a bit lately. The only God I know anything about is the God of the Bible. I believe a person can learn great things from the Bible. Especially Proverbs (my favorite book). A lot of Jesus' words speak to me as well, especially about worry and earthly possessions. I do feel like the Bible has a divine quality to it. I also believe that Christ is very important in the religious scheme of things. I have accepted him as my Savior in the past.

Still there are so many religions. Is there a such thing as a right one? I think they all are built about the foundation of loving others. I think the greatest thing a person can do in their lifetime is live for helping others. To take the focus off yourself and give it to others. This sounds simple, but in today's world it's not.

I basically have two thoughts on religion...
1. There is a Creator
2. Put others in front of yourself.

I just want to believe these two things. The problem is I feel like I would be denouncing God and Christ. I believe their is a Creator, but how can I know that it's the God of the Bible. How does one know what religion or God to follow? I sometimes wonder if the same God is responsible for all religions and doctrines. Maybe he just gave bits and pieces to each culture, but in ways that it would fit that culture. Any thoughts?

Anyway, I just wanted to know what God and religion you follow?


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: PsiTripper]
    #3231997 - 10/08/04 06:45 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

thats right, there's only one divine god that each religion just wants to label/define as one of their own. each path leads to the same source. it doesnt matter what path you take to find god, as long as you find love. love is the only thing that matters. It is pretty funny how there is a lot of truth in all religions, and then there is all that garbage that just isnt needed that throws so many people off of something so simple and natural as showing love to everyone/thing.

its too bad people are so caught up in following the fundamentals of their own religions that they cant realize there is no big difference in the religions really at all, but the perspective in how you look at what is written.

but yeah, dont feel guilty for moving ahead in your spiritual journey, you dont need religion. its just one more path to help us find god. imo, there is a lot more wisdom in other religions than the bible, the bible....honestly...sucks six fucking cocks. i dont like it. especially the fundamentals that they follow, its so STUPID. i just want to go to church to pick the fucking people apart. id have the preacher for lunch.


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: PsiTripper]
    #3232117 - 10/08/04 09:33 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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PsiTripper said:
I basically have two thoughts on religion...
1. There is a Creator
2. Put others in front of yourself.

I just want to believe these two things. The problem is I feel like I would be denouncing God and Christ. I believe their is a Creator, but how can I know that it's the God of the Bible.




I was raised Lutheran, and believe me - even if you did believe in the Christian God, you're still supposedly at a lot of risk of eternal hellfire just by picking the wrong denomination. Personally, and I think that most sane people would at least somewhat agree with me here, I feel that this kind of thinking (concerning whom God chooses to love) completely contradicts Jesus' message. In fact, from what I know of him, Jesus wasn't too fond of organized religion. If you really think you'll feel bad for not following the Bible... at least go out and explore some other religions before committing yourself to Christianity. This should open your eyes to some of the ideas that the poster above me made, and also you may find that, when you're done doing your personal spiritual seeking (of other religions), the Bible may still be your book of choice.

Personally I really love Jesus' teachings, but I will not have them thrown at me by an organized religion. Every Church I have been to focuses itself on the fickle, how to separate themselves from others, etc etc.. Take the Bible on your own (I highly recommend reading it cover to cover, it's very interesting).. That's my advice.

This is also very good advice:

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each path leads to the same source. it doesnt matter what path you take to find god, as long as you find love.




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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: lukeboots]
    #3232123 - 10/08/04 09:39 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Imagination


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: PsiTripper]
    #3232125 - 10/08/04 09:40 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

God is just another justification for living within the system.

FUCK ALL GODS, STRIKE ME DOWN YOU MOTHERFUCKERS.

Every generation has had its own gods why choose any one.

There is no god only life energy. It is as simple as that and I deny anybody that disagree's.


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: Ego Death]
    #3232138 - 10/08/04 09:51 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You know, i was raised lutheran as well, then convertied to baptist. I honestly think that your right, as long as you truely believe in God your on the right track. Know that jesus died for your sins. All of that good stuff, i wonder how much God disaproves using Hallucinogenics, becuase i really think that each time i trip im on my way to being close to god.


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: scape]
    #3232174 - 10/08/04 10:09 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

My Self.


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: fredthetree]
    #3232194 - 10/08/04 10:16 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

if you are not looking for anything in particular you'll find it all.

that is god :P


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: Gomp]
    #3232198 - 10/08/04 10:21 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You will find unimaginable things, if you cease to imagine what you'd like to find :wink:


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: fredthetree]
    #3232220 - 10/08/04 10:34 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

"unimaginable things"
sweet :P


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: PsiTripper]
    #3232526 - 10/08/04 12:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

the gnostic redeemer zen lutheran church, n.a.ltd.


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: PsiTripper]
    #3232541 - 10/08/04 12:10 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

being a polytheist, i cannot tell you which god you should choose. the entire point of spirituality is to investigate the possibilities of religious experience. you do not need one particular god or belief system to do so. granted, it helps if you have some sort of framework available to you. all i can suggest to you is to study as many types of religion that you can (including the various brands of christianity and monotheism), take what you like and discard the rest. in time you may find that some of the things you discarded are now important than they were and you will return to investigate them.
religion does not equate spirituality. i have had encounters with some very religious people who were amoung the most spiritually bankrupt humans i have ever met. organized religion provides a framework, but also dogma. the more dogmatic the religion becomes, the more rigid the framework and the less open it can be to spiritual experience. this is not to say that there cannot be powerful spiritual experience within a highly rigid religious system (try reading some hildegard von bingen), but very spiritual experiences are always the minority amoung rigid religious frameworks.
unfortunately, many neo-pagan organizations are becoming as rigid and dogmatic as the 'big three' and losing their spiritual experiences. i have been a member of many covens, mystery schools and traditions. this rigification of neo-paganism is (imho) due to the personalities involved rather than the tradition itself. anyone who tells you that a pagan is this, or a christian is that has missed the point entirely.
investigate, investigate, investigate and then think, think, think. the answers will come of themselves.
happy exploring.

ps: in response to the question that is your forum heading, currently i have taken the summerian goddess inanna as my patron (or should i say matron). while i do spend most of my spiritual comtemplation following her, i have no problem 'communicating' with other godforms. each representation of the divine has aspects that are more suitable for certain workings or meditations.

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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: Ego Death]
    #3233143 - 10/08/04 03:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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God is just another justification for living within the system.

FUCK ALL GODS, STRIKE ME DOWN YOU MOTHERFUCKERS.

Every generation has had its own gods why choose any one.

There is no god only life energy. It is as simple as that and I deny anybody that disagree's.






lol, this is a good example of what i was saying. this man says no such thing as god, yet is defining the same thing in his own words,"life energy", just to be able to say fuck "religion".

there is no difference but in the word/s you use to define "god.


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: PsiTripper]
    #3233207 - 10/08/04 03:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I believe in an ultimate reality that is pure consciousness. Everything in existence comes from this reality, and is connected to it. Beyond that, I have difficulty describing God, because God is so far beyond our understanding that words couldn't begin to describe such an entity.


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: ]
    #3233222 - 10/08/04 03:22 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I say off with the heads of the demi gods too. Everyone is the creator god of their own universe to me.

Really, I just beleive in a life force giving ENERGY, that is intelligent, creative and powerful beyond measure or comprehension and permeates everything.

It's an indefinable energy to me that all is sourced from. I think the God in the Bible was a discarnate being playing god, who is just as clueless as the rest of us about where the source of all existance originated from.

Jealous, vengeful and requires worship and blood sacrafices? I think those words and emotions came from a discarnate 4th dimensional being or a human wanting to create fear to gain control over others.

Source= Intelligent, Creative, Powerful ENERGY. Anything beyond that is what we make of it with free will and our own inherant source energy.

Just my beleifs!


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: PsiTripper]
    #3233374 - 10/08/04 04:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I believe in THE GOD. There is only One God. The God of Islam, the God of Christianity, the God of Judaism, the God of Hinduism, the God of the mystics. Different names for the Logos doesn't change that it is still the Logos. To me God is Love. He created the creation so that it might know God's unconditional love for humanity.


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: PsiTripper]
    #3233437 - 10/08/04 04:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

there are alot of really great replies here. the post by allmakescombined pretty much sums up what I think I am going towards. Honestly I think mushrooms had something to do with me questioning things. at first it was depressing, but now i realize it's a great thing to think differntly than the majority of the culture.

i have read the bible, but i have not been to church since i was a child. just the fact that so many people dress up to worship their god does not make since to me. organized religion does seem rigid for the most part.


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: PsiTripper]
    #3233442 - 10/08/04 04:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i think i would like to start learning about some eastern religions and doctrines.


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: PsiTripper]
    #3233448 - 10/08/04 04:40 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Rigid, but not void of Truth. Jesus still embodies the Word of God, and the Qur'an still embodies the Word of God. The Truth Jesus embodied is the same Truth embodied in the Holy Qur'an.  :heart:


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Re: What God do you believe in (if any)... [Re: silversoul7]
    #3233582 - 10/08/04 05:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I believe in an ultimate reality that is pure consciousness.  Everything in existence comes from this reality, and is connected to it.  Beyond that, I have difficulty describing God, because God is so far beyond our understanding that words couldn't begin to describe such an entity.




I agree 100%  :thumbup:


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