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OfflineBavet
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Dose God exist? Take a look around.
    #1272781 - 02/03/03 05:58 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

This Devotional is dedicated to the 7 crewmembers of the Space Shuttle
Columbia, Colonel Rick Husband, Lieutenant Colonel Michael Anderson,
Commander Laurel Clark, Captain David Brown, Commander William McCool, Dr.
Kalpana Chawla, and Ilan Ramon a colonel in the Israeli Air Force, who gave
their lives to help further the great scientific discoveries that our space
program has provided mankind these past 40 years.
May their bravery and service to their fellow man never be forgotten, and
may Almighty God be a special source of peace and comfort to the families
that they leave behind.


Does God exist? Some of my fondest memories as a young boy growing up in
the 60's, was getting up very early in the morning, turning on the
television set, and watching Walter Cronkite announce the latest blast-off
of a manned rocket into outer space. From the initial single man Mercury
rockets, to the 2 man Gemini missions, to the 3 man Apollo series that was
highlighted in July of 1969 by Neil Armstrong walking on the moon, to the
current era of the Space Shuttle flights and a manned space station, the
space program has been one of mans great accomplishments.

I also remember the horrible reminders of how dangerous space travel can be.
I remember watching in tears as a fire in the capsule of Apollo 1 that was
still on the launch pad, killed astronauts Virgil Grissom, Roger Chaffee,
and Edward White. I remember 17 years ago seeing the explosion of the
Space Shuttle Challenger just 73 seconds after lift-off, killing all 7
aboard. The past 40 years of space travel has been very exciting to
witness, has contributed greatly to advancing our existence in this life, an
d in the future will continue to help us find answers to some of the great
questions that we have about our world.

Perhaps the greatest question ever asked is, "does God exist?". With over
1.6 million subscribers and having many subscribers forward each days
Devotional to their friends and family, having it posted on hundreds of
other websites and message boards each day, I get asked hundreds of emails
daily with that very question. Anyone that has ever taken a Theology 101
course knows that right after the Table of Contents, the very first chapter
is on the "Existence of God". I could spend hours proving the existence of
God because belief in the existence of God is intuitive, it is assumed by
the Scriptures, and it is corroborated by various arguments. But I am not
going to.

Instead, when anyone asks me "does God exist?", I tell them ABSOLUTELY.
When they ask me to prove it, I tell them to do two things. First, go look
in a mirror, and second, go outside and look into the sky. When you look
into a mirror and see yourself, YOUR EXISTENCE is one of the greatest proofs
there is that God exists. After all, one of the questions all men
throughout human history have asked themselves is, "where did I come from?"
Evolution and other theories have all proven to be impossible. There is
only one plausible, legitimate explanation, and that is GOD CREATED US. If
God created us, then God must exist. When you go outside and look into the
sky, the EXISTENCE OF THIS WORLD is one of the greatest proofs there is that
God exists. Man from the beginning of time have asked "how were the heavens
and earth made?" There have been numerous theories put forth, but all have
fallen woefully short of even coming close to explain how the world in which
we live was created. There is only one plausible, legitimate explanation,
and that is GOD CREATED IT.

Of course those who have put their faith in Jesus Christ and know that the
Bible is God's inspired, inerrant Word simply go to Genesis Chapter One.
The existence of God is a given fact. Those who have made the choice to
reject Christ in the their life, will in many cases also reject the
existence of God. It is easier for them to live with themselves by
believing that there is no God, that Jesus is a story like Santa Claus, and
that the Bible is just a book of fables. This way, they can live their life
however THEY choose, free in their own mind from being accountable to
anyone. These people will rely on incredible arguments, unproven scientific
studies, and anything that they can find to deny God exists so that they can
feel better in their rejection of Him. For people like this, you will never
convince them God exists through arguments. The best thing to do is to pray
for them, since the God they reject is able to open their hearts to His
reality and love for them.

I love you and care about you so much. Only a fool would even doubt the
existence of God. As a matter of fact, it would take greater faith then I
could ever dream of having, to even question whether God exists. As a
tribute to the 7 crewmembers of the Space Shuttle Columbia, let me leave you
with some quotes by former astronauts about the existence of God:

?I am convinced of God by the order out in space.? Astronaut Eugene A.
Cernan:

"But when you leave the earth, in a spacecraft, I personally think there?s a
real motivation to look toward God. After being in space, I certainly have a
much greater appreciation for the world God has made, the universe He?s
created. It?s very clear in my mind that this universe couldn?t have
happened by chance." NASA Astronaut Col. Jack Lousma

?To look out as this kind of creation out here and not believe in God is to
me impossible. It just strengthens my faith. I wish there were words to
describe what it?s like...? Astronaut John Glenn


In His love and service,
Your friend and brother in Christ,
Bill Keller


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OfflineAzmodeus
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1273523 - 02/03/03 09:52 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

God exists, but only in the minds of those with faith. There is no physical god that made up the universe and created man for this reason or that!

God has always been instinctual to us, but only for certain reasons. The first is to explain the unexplainable. If we did not know what lightning is, then it must be the work of some divine agent. It is natural to assume that what we do not comprehend is "supernatural" or "divine", and we always will. Bavet, you cannot explain existance, and our enviornment, so you say that it is the work of god and that the proof is all around us. But i do not see god, i see......creation......life, but not an intelligent force.

The second reason for god is to control people. Many of you cristians would argue with me, but look at our history!! Crusades, catholic church, always to control and subjugate people.......sad, but true.

The third reason god is instinctual to us, is so that we can face death and our existance without feeling alone. We need to have a divine "god" that watches over us and who created us, otherwise what happens when we die? If you can believe in god then you dont worry about it....aren't so afraid. But i cannot imagine, with all the might and power, a god that would care.

Thats not to say there is no "force" of creation. How did the first organism achieve "life"? Death? Bavet look at theories of our universe....we truly do not know anything about it, but that does not mean it was god who created it. We evolved, could the universe not do the same?

But despite everything i said god DOES exist. Bavet, i have no doubt that you know for a fact that god exists. That very faith creates god for you and manyt others. With that in mind god is very real in a sense, but it gets really complicated to try to put in words.....

We need a spiritual side, i am seeking mine, but find my "god" in the life force of plants and exsistance i have no defined religion, but what is religion if not a shared spiritual feeling within us all?


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OfflineGazzBut
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1273741 - 02/03/03 10:43 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Im not trying to be contreversial but how do you view the hindu pantheon of gods or Allah or Zeus? Do you believe that the christian concept of God is correct at the expense of all other concepts of the godhead?

Just curious.


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OfflineKB1EWE
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1273760 - 02/03/03 10:51 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

IMHO, people who believe in god are just too...hmmm, egotistical, awed, or confused to think that people are just matter.

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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1273774 - 02/03/03 10:59 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

When you look into a mirror and see yourself, YOUR EXISTENCE is one of the greatest proofs there is that God exists.




No, it isn't..

Quote:

Evolution and other theories have all proven to be impossible.




Not so.  Evolution is fact, and theory.

Quote:

There is only one plausible, legitimate explanation, and that is GOD CREATED US.




Another assumption..

Quote:

Man from the beginning of time have asked "how were the heavens
and earth made?" There have been numerous theories put forth, but all have
fallen woefully short of even coming close to explain how the world in which
we live was created. There is only one plausible, legitimate explanation,
and that is GOD CREATED IT.




Hoo boy..  Wonderful explaination, but its purely assumption.


Now wheres that proof you said you could go on for hours about?  :confused: :tongue: 


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OfflineAzmodeus
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: ]
    #1273854 - 02/03/03 11:24 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Good points immaculate!!
Bavet!? any comment....


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274027 - 02/03/03 12:06 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

God exists in the hearts and minds of those who believe in him. Yes.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. *DELETED* [Re: Bavet]
    #1274207 - 02/03/03 12:54 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274385 - 02/03/03 01:55 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

For whatever it is worth to everyone:

From what I've seen, two ideas are psychologically deep-rooted in man: self-protection and self-preservation. Makes sense if you want your species to survive. But we have developed concepts out of the instincts. For self-protection man has created God, on whom he depends for his own protection, safety and security, just as a child depends on its' parent. For self-preservation man has conceived the idea of an immortal Soul, which will live eternally. In his ignorance, weakness, fear, and desire, man needs these two things to console himself. Hence he clings to them deeply and fanatically. I do not identify with those things (God, Soul) or pretend to know "THE ANSWER". There is nothing wrong with saying I Don't Know. Actually, I find it a most honest answer. I just want to live an enlightened life (strive for knowledge) and die with no regrets or attatchment. Amen...


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: vaporbrains]
    #1274469 - 02/03/03 02:23 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

I'm not trying to be controversial but how do you view the Hindu pantheon of gods or Allah or Zeus? Do you believe that the Christian concept of God is correct at the expense of all other concepts of the godhead?





People should respect other peoples beliefs and their choice to follow another faith. Christians need to plant the seed and bring people to the True God by trying to live their life as The Word of God instructs. Meaning let other see how you live and see the peace n joy and love you have in your life. Even tho we must respect others faiths and beliefs, we must not compromise the Christian faith to please someone in another faith.

A true Christian belives the Bible to be Gods Word. As a Christian you belive the entire Word of God is true, you can't pick and choose, it's either all the Truth or it's all a lie.

So with this. All other gods are false and their is only one way to eternal salvation. As Jesus said "I am the Way the Truth and the Light, No man comes to the Father but by Me. The father being God. Jesus the son of God (the man God, God in human form on earth). God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, one being.. Thou shall not have any other gods before Me.

When Jesus was in the wilderness and Satan came to tempt Him,
Jesus didn't try to negotiate with him, or debate him. He simply stood on
the Word of God. Stand on that

A little background on the fallen angel http://members.aol.com/amdawson84/081500.html


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274493 - 02/03/03 02:33 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Evolution has no facts. It is all theory. Many scientist have turned away from the evolution theory.

Since Darwins time, the theory of evolution developed through people writing books. Nothing dug up out of the ground (or discovered anywhere else) has ever supported the theory of evolution. Examine the books that promote evolution yourself. They typically contain two things:

First, they contain artists drawings that show the ages and names of the layers of the earth.
Second, they contain artists drawings showing plants and animals arranged in a family tree.

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/creation.shtml

http://www.pickle-publishing.com/videos/creation-vs-evolution.htm?src=overture

http://www.wiebefamily.org/e.htm





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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274496 - 02/03/03 02:34 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Does God talk to you? Yes or no?


Edited by Observer (02/03/03 02:40 PM)


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Observer]
    #1274531 - 02/03/03 02:48 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)


Yes

When you recive the holy spirt you life changes. The way you hear God and talk with God isn't like thinking in your head or imagining something.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274571 - 02/03/03 03:06 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Why then do you need a book to read out of (Bible) then if God is "talking" with you?


Edited by Observer (02/03/03 03:07 PM)


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Observer]
    #1274584 - 02/03/03 03:09 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)



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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274593 - 02/03/03 03:10 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

Evolution has no facts. It is all theory. Many scientist have turned away from the evolution theory.

Since Darwins time, the theory of evolution developed through people writing books. Nothing dug up out of the ground (or discovered anywhere else) has ever supported the theory of evolution. Examine the books that promote evolution yourself. They typically contain two things:

First, they contain artists drawings that show the ages and names of the layers of the earth.
Second, they contain artists drawings showing plants and animals arranged in a family tree. 




Well I couldn't have said it any more biased myself. Evolution has no facts? Oh god....hehe

My opinion:  We all are God.     :grin: 


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Teragon]
    #1274606 - 02/03/03 03:14 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Care to show me some actual proof of evolution?  I don't want any odd shaped heads from hundreds of years ago. Just look at some african peoples heads  They look  just like the kind said to be pre humans.

Yeah that is funny. :grin: 


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274622 - 02/03/03 03:18 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

yet each time you read it You will get a new meaning depending on where you are in life and what God wants you to know and understand. He dose talk to You through His Word as well in other ways.





Look, if I thought I could talk with God, I would never look at another man-made book again! Why don't you just go directly to the source whenever you need divine inspiration?


Edited by Observer (02/03/03 03:20 PM)


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274648 - 02/03/03 03:25 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

Evolution has no facts. It is all theory. Many scientist have turned away from the evolution theory.




This is a blatant lie.

www.talkorigins.org has a wonderful FAQ section on evolution. You should probably give it a read.

Quote:

People should respect other peoples beliefs and their choice to follow another faith. Christians need to plant the seed and bring people to the True God by trying to live their life as The Word of God instructs.




Your religion is your faith, you have no real objective evidence to support your claims. Only fanciful thinking and a lot of wishing.

Wheres that proof again?


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274679 - 02/03/03 03:33 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Care to show me some actual proof of evolution? I don't want any odd shaped heads from hundreds of years ago. Just look at some african peoples heads They look just like the kind said to be pre humans. Yeah that is funny.

Wow, that was possibly the single most ignorant and/or racist comment ever uttered by man. You, my friend, need to go back and look at your belief. Then you need to take a basic science course and pay some Goddamn attention.


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