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OfflineBavet
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Dose God exist? Take a look around.
    #1272781 - 02/03/03 05:58 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

This Devotional is dedicated to the 7 crewmembers of the Space Shuttle
Columbia, Colonel Rick Husband, Lieutenant Colonel Michael Anderson,
Commander Laurel Clark, Captain David Brown, Commander William McCool, Dr.
Kalpana Chawla, and Ilan Ramon a colonel in the Israeli Air Force, who gave
their lives to help further the great scientific discoveries that our space
program has provided mankind these past 40 years.
May their bravery and service to their fellow man never be forgotten, and
may Almighty God be a special source of peace and comfort to the families
that they leave behind.


Does God exist? Some of my fondest memories as a young boy growing up in
the 60's, was getting up very early in the morning, turning on the
television set, and watching Walter Cronkite announce the latest blast-off
of a manned rocket into outer space. From the initial single man Mercury
rockets, to the 2 man Gemini missions, to the 3 man Apollo series that was
highlighted in July of 1969 by Neil Armstrong walking on the moon, to the
current era of the Space Shuttle flights and a manned space station, the
space program has been one of mans great accomplishments.

I also remember the horrible reminders of how dangerous space travel can be.
I remember watching in tears as a fire in the capsule of Apollo 1 that was
still on the launch pad, killed astronauts Virgil Grissom, Roger Chaffee,
and Edward White. I remember 17 years ago seeing the explosion of the
Space Shuttle Challenger just 73 seconds after lift-off, killing all 7
aboard. The past 40 years of space travel has been very exciting to
witness, has contributed greatly to advancing our existence in this life, an
d in the future will continue to help us find answers to some of the great
questions that we have about our world.

Perhaps the greatest question ever asked is, "does God exist?". With over
1.6 million subscribers and having many subscribers forward each days
Devotional to their friends and family, having it posted on hundreds of
other websites and message boards each day, I get asked hundreds of emails
daily with that very question. Anyone that has ever taken a Theology 101
course knows that right after the Table of Contents, the very first chapter
is on the "Existence of God". I could spend hours proving the existence of
God because belief in the existence of God is intuitive, it is assumed by
the Scriptures, and it is corroborated by various arguments. But I am not
going to.

Instead, when anyone asks me "does God exist?", I tell them ABSOLUTELY.
When they ask me to prove it, I tell them to do two things. First, go look
in a mirror, and second, go outside and look into the sky. When you look
into a mirror and see yourself, YOUR EXISTENCE is one of the greatest proofs
there is that God exists. After all, one of the questions all men
throughout human history have asked themselves is, "where did I come from?"
Evolution and other theories have all proven to be impossible. There is
only one plausible, legitimate explanation, and that is GOD CREATED US. If
God created us, then God must exist. When you go outside and look into the
sky, the EXISTENCE OF THIS WORLD is one of the greatest proofs there is that
God exists. Man from the beginning of time have asked "how were the heavens
and earth made?" There have been numerous theories put forth, but all have
fallen woefully short of even coming close to explain how the world in which
we live was created. There is only one plausible, legitimate explanation,
and that is GOD CREATED IT.

Of course those who have put their faith in Jesus Christ and know that the
Bible is God's inspired, inerrant Word simply go to Genesis Chapter One.
The existence of God is a given fact. Those who have made the choice to
reject Christ in the their life, will in many cases also reject the
existence of God. It is easier for them to live with themselves by
believing that there is no God, that Jesus is a story like Santa Claus, and
that the Bible is just a book of fables. This way, they can live their life
however THEY choose, free in their own mind from being accountable to
anyone. These people will rely on incredible arguments, unproven scientific
studies, and anything that they can find to deny God exists so that they can
feel better in their rejection of Him. For people like this, you will never
convince them God exists through arguments. The best thing to do is to pray
for them, since the God they reject is able to open their hearts to His
reality and love for them.

I love you and care about you so much. Only a fool would even doubt the
existence of God. As a matter of fact, it would take greater faith then I
could ever dream of having, to even question whether God exists. As a
tribute to the 7 crewmembers of the Space Shuttle Columbia, let me leave you
with some quotes by former astronauts about the existence of God:

?I am convinced of God by the order out in space.? Astronaut Eugene A.
Cernan:

"But when you leave the earth, in a spacecraft, I personally think there?s a
real motivation to look toward God. After being in space, I certainly have a
much greater appreciation for the world God has made, the universe He?s
created. It?s very clear in my mind that this universe couldn?t have
happened by chance." NASA Astronaut Col. Jack Lousma

?To look out as this kind of creation out here and not believe in God is to
me impossible. It just strengthens my faith. I wish there were words to
describe what it?s like...? Astronaut John Glenn


In His love and service,
Your friend and brother in Christ,
Bill Keller


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OfflineAzmodeus
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1273523 - 02/03/03 09:52 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

God exists, but only in the minds of those with faith. There is no physical god that made up the universe and created man for this reason or that!

God has always been instinctual to us, but only for certain reasons. The first is to explain the unexplainable. If we did not know what lightning is, then it must be the work of some divine agent. It is natural to assume that what we do not comprehend is "supernatural" or "divine", and we always will. Bavet, you cannot explain existance, and our enviornment, so you say that it is the work of god and that the proof is all around us. But i do not see god, i see......creation......life, but not an intelligent force.

The second reason for god is to control people. Many of you cristians would argue with me, but look at our history!! Crusades, catholic church, always to control and subjugate people.......sad, but true.

The third reason god is instinctual to us, is so that we can face death and our existance without feeling alone. We need to have a divine "god" that watches over us and who created us, otherwise what happens when we die? If you can believe in god then you dont worry about it....aren't so afraid. But i cannot imagine, with all the might and power, a god that would care.

Thats not to say there is no "force" of creation. How did the first organism achieve "life"? Death? Bavet look at theories of our universe....we truly do not know anything about it, but that does not mean it was god who created it. We evolved, could the universe not do the same?

But despite everything i said god DOES exist. Bavet, i have no doubt that you know for a fact that god exists. That very faith creates god for you and manyt others. With that in mind god is very real in a sense, but it gets really complicated to try to put in words.....

We need a spiritual side, i am seeking mine, but find my "god" in the life force of plants and exsistance i have no defined religion, but what is religion if not a shared spiritual feeling within us all?


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OfflineGazzBut
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1273741 - 02/03/03 10:43 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Im not trying to be contreversial but how do you view the hindu pantheon of gods or Allah or Zeus? Do you believe that the christian concept of God is correct at the expense of all other concepts of the godhead?

Just curious.


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OfflineKB1EWE
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1273760 - 02/03/03 10:51 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

IMHO, people who believe in god are just too...hmmm, egotistical, awed, or confused to think that people are just matter.

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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1273774 - 02/03/03 10:59 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

When you look into a mirror and see yourself, YOUR EXISTENCE is one of the greatest proofs there is that God exists.




No, it isn't..

Quote:

Evolution and other theories have all proven to be impossible.




Not so.  Evolution is fact, and theory.

Quote:

There is only one plausible, legitimate explanation, and that is GOD CREATED US.




Another assumption..

Quote:

Man from the beginning of time have asked "how were the heavens
and earth made?" There have been numerous theories put forth, but all have
fallen woefully short of even coming close to explain how the world in which
we live was created. There is only one plausible, legitimate explanation,
and that is GOD CREATED IT.




Hoo boy..  Wonderful explaination, but its purely assumption.


Now wheres that proof you said you could go on for hours about?  :confused: :tongue: 


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OfflineAzmodeus
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: ]
    #1273854 - 02/03/03 11:24 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Good points immaculate!!
Bavet!? any comment....


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274027 - 02/03/03 12:06 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

God exists in the hearts and minds of those who believe in him. Yes.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. *DELETED* [Re: Bavet]
    #1274207 - 02/03/03 12:54 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274385 - 02/03/03 01:55 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

For whatever it is worth to everyone:

From what I've seen, two ideas are psychologically deep-rooted in man: self-protection and self-preservation. Makes sense if you want your species to survive. But we have developed concepts out of the instincts. For self-protection man has created God, on whom he depends for his own protection, safety and security, just as a child depends on its' parent. For self-preservation man has conceived the idea of an immortal Soul, which will live eternally. In his ignorance, weakness, fear, and desire, man needs these two things to console himself. Hence he clings to them deeply and fanatically. I do not identify with those things (God, Soul) or pretend to know "THE ANSWER". There is nothing wrong with saying I Don't Know. Actually, I find it a most honest answer. I just want to live an enlightened life (strive for knowledge) and die with no regrets or attatchment. Amen...


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OfflineBavet
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: vaporbrains]
    #1274469 - 02/03/03 02:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

I'm not trying to be controversial but how do you view the Hindu pantheon of gods or Allah or Zeus? Do you believe that the Christian concept of God is correct at the expense of all other concepts of the godhead?





People should respect other peoples beliefs and their choice to follow another faith. Christians need to plant the seed and bring people to the True God by trying to live their life as The Word of God instructs. Meaning let other see how you live and see the peace n joy and love you have in your life. Even tho we must respect others faiths and beliefs, we must not compromise the Christian faith to please someone in another faith.

A true Christian belives the Bible to be Gods Word. As a Christian you belive the entire Word of God is true, you can't pick and choose, it's either all the Truth or it's all a lie.

So with this. All other gods are false and their is only one way to eternal salvation. As Jesus said "I am the Way the Truth and the Light, No man comes to the Father but by Me. The father being God. Jesus the son of God (the man God, God in human form on earth). God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, one being.. Thou shall not have any other gods before Me.

When Jesus was in the wilderness and Satan came to tempt Him,
Jesus didn't try to negotiate with him, or debate him. He simply stood on
the Word of God. Stand on that

A little background on the fallen angel http://members.aol.com/amdawson84/081500.html


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OfflineBavet
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274493 - 02/03/03 02:33 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Evolution has no facts. It is all theory. Many scientist have turned away from the evolution theory.

Since Darwins time, the theory of evolution developed through people writing books. Nothing dug up out of the ground (or discovered anywhere else) has ever supported the theory of evolution. Examine the books that promote evolution yourself. They typically contain two things:

First, they contain artists drawings that show the ages and names of the layers of the earth.
Second, they contain artists drawings showing plants and animals arranged in a family tree.

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/creation.shtml

http://www.pickle-publishing.com/videos/creation-vs-evolution.htm?src=overture

http://www.wiebefamily.org/e.htm





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InvisibleObserver
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274496 - 02/03/03 02:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Does God talk to you? Yes or no?


Edited by Observer (02/03/03 02:40 PM)


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OfflineBavet
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Observer]
    #1274531 - 02/03/03 02:48 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)


Yes

When you recive the holy spirt you life changes. The way you hear God and talk with God isn't like thinking in your head or imagining something.


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InvisibleObserver
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274571 - 02/03/03 03:06 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Why then do you need a book to read out of (Bible) then if God is "talking" with you?


Edited by Observer (02/03/03 03:07 PM)


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OfflineBavet
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Observer]
    #1274584 - 02/03/03 03:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274593 - 02/03/03 03:10 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Evolution has no facts. It is all theory. Many scientist have turned away from the evolution theory.

Since Darwins time, the theory of evolution developed through people writing books. Nothing dug up out of the ground (or discovered anywhere else) has ever supported the theory of evolution. Examine the books that promote evolution yourself. They typically contain two things:

First, they contain artists drawings that show the ages and names of the layers of the earth.
Second, they contain artists drawings showing plants and animals arranged in a family tree. 




Well I couldn't have said it any more biased myself. Evolution has no facts? Oh god....hehe

My opinion:  We all are God.     :grin: 


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OfflineBavet
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Teragon]
    #1274606 - 02/03/03 03:14 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Care to show me some actual proof of evolution?  I don't want any odd shaped heads from hundreds of years ago. Just look at some african peoples heads  They look  just like the kind said to be pre humans.

Yeah that is funny. :grin: 


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274622 - 02/03/03 03:18 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

yet each time you read it You will get a new meaning depending on where you are in life and what God wants you to know and understand. He dose talk to You through His Word as well in other ways.





Look, if I thought I could talk with God, I would never look at another man-made book again! Why don't you just go directly to the source whenever you need divine inspiration?


Edited by Observer (02/03/03 03:20 PM)


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274648 - 02/03/03 03:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Evolution has no facts. It is all theory. Many scientist have turned away from the evolution theory.




This is a blatant lie.

www.talkorigins.org has a wonderful FAQ section on evolution. You should probably give it a read.

Quote:

People should respect other peoples beliefs and their choice to follow another faith. Christians need to plant the seed and bring people to the True God by trying to live their life as The Word of God instructs.




Your religion is your faith, you have no real objective evidence to support your claims. Only fanciful thinking and a lot of wishing.

Wheres that proof again?


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Invisiblebert
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274679 - 02/03/03 03:33 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Care to show me some actual proof of evolution? I don't want any odd shaped heads from hundreds of years ago. Just look at some african peoples heads They look just like the kind said to be pre humans. Yeah that is funny.

Wow, that was possibly the single most ignorant and/or racist comment ever uttered by man. You, my friend, need to go back and look at your belief. Then you need to take a basic science course and pay some Goddamn attention.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274734 - 02/03/03 03:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Care to show me some actual proof of evolution?



At the moment, no not really. I'm quite ill and am going to bed soon. I'd like to write you a nice long-winded essay full of evidence that you can't naively say doesn't work. Take a look at the Evolution thread and specifically the closing thoughts of my post. Although that post was dedicated more to what evolution is rather than why I believe it exists, it'll give you a little idea.

I'll also ignore that racial comment, instead of pointing out how it is yet more evidence for evolution. I stand on my final thought: The evidence is just too overwhelming.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Teragon]
    #1274785 - 02/03/03 03:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

So I post a little fact and automatically become a racist? So much hate geezz

Ahh well Gods word dose say the "world" will hate me since I follow Him





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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274881 - 02/03/03 04:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

You seem to be caught up in the notion that god is a separate entity from us.

With that in mind, a question:

Why do you choose to obey this God? For peace and joy in the afterlife? That is very self-serving. Are you freely choosing to live your life this way or because of fear of "hell"? As Sclorch has put it many a time, this sure sounds like a dick god, forcing you (with free will to do whatever you want) to obey "his" command or suffer the consequences. How would you live your life if you were not coerced into following a certain set of beliefs?


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274928 - 02/03/03 04:37 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

For all your certainty.. You still have only addressed a single point I have made to you. Why?


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1274984 - 02/03/03 04:55 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Post a little fact? You have yet to post a single fact in any of your posts. You are seriously deluded, man. You're view on life is so skewed that you can't even see it from any other perspective anymore. And the 'world' doesn't hate you because God said so, you are imposing that hate on yourself by acting like a jackass who can't think for himself. Take some responsibility and grow up instead of hiding in the shadow of your 'so-called God'.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: bert]
    #1274993 - 02/03/03 04:57 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Nicely said.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1275047 - 02/03/03 05:15 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

People always talk about when they recieve the holy spirit they can feel it. I got a feeling i would think is very similar to this when i STOPPED believing in god. An extreme sense of well being and peace. I feel worry free because I'm not living my life for some supposed being, only me, my family and friends.

Christianity will become extinct in the future because answers will be given regarding things God supposedly created, much like ancient religions explaning rain and lighning are extinct today.

Also you think black people look like neaderthals? Ummmm.....evolution?


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: slime_R]
    #1275133 - 02/03/03 05:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

People always talk about when they recieve the holy spirit they can feel it




Yes I'm sure they do feel it but ppl often ask why dont i "feel" God as strong as I used to? It's not all about how God "feels"


I have my belifs cause I know them to be true. For many reasons and experiences I don't care to write a novel on, to share, to try to persuave anyone to belive in God or my faith.

I'll glady answer what I can but I don't know it all.

As far as debating my faith vs u'rs or God vs there is no God.. It's pointless

When Jesus was in the wilderness and Satan came to tempt Him,
Jesus didn't try to negotiate with him, or debate him. He simply stood on
the Word of God. Stand on that word today that says "greater is He that is
in you, than he that is in the world."

Evolution is the worlds religon. When the antichrist comes to power there will be a world religon. All the ones that do exist that relate to teh True God will not be allowed to exist.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1275173 - 02/03/03 05:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

I have my belifs cause I know them to be true.




Proof?


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1275174 - 02/03/03 05:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Scientists have actually observed evolution taking place in bacteria. Seeing is believing.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: ]
    #1275192 - 02/03/03 05:48 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

This post has become useless anyways. There is nothing that Bavet can offer to support his belief. And there is nothing we can do to disprove God. That's partly why Bavet and other strongly religious people get such a kick out of religion, because it's ironclad and it's a good safety net when all other argument fails.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
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    #1275471 - 02/03/03 07:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1276014 - 02/03/03 11:36 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

You have made the mistake of believing your intepretation of the Divine is the only correct one! Do you really believe that nobody who is non-christian has ever had a transcendental experience or communed with the divine? There does seem to be a human impulse towards this kind of experience and each culture dresses it in their own myths and symbols. To believe one is more valid than any other seems to me to be a little naive.

Next time your rapping with the big G can you ask him why he created all these heathens? Perhaps you could also ask him why his own people (i.e the christians) seem to be the most violent of all the religions?

To be honest if you wish to preach without substance you are in the wrong place. Us depraved heathens round here tend to require some hard proof when we hear the kind of grand assertions you are making. You are starting to sound a little bit like Dubya with all this "I've got the proof but im not going to share it" stuff!!

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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: World Spirit]
    #1276036 - 02/04/03 12:00 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Or perhaps Jezebel's words are also the Words of God. No, they indeed are not.





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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1276701 - 02/04/03 06:54 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"evolution has no facts"

Sorry, but if you believe in anything modern biology has to offer, nothing makes sense, unless its viewed in the light of evolution. I would bet there are very few if any scientists out there that don't embrace evolution.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: ]
    #1276746 - 02/04/03 07:10 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Bavet believes all he said....That makes it the truth to him and he need not "prove" anything. But the mysteries of the universe will be discovered and in light of these discoveries yet more false claims in the bible will be changed. The koran is not allowed to be re-writen in different forms like the bible, so doesn't it have more weight behind it than the crappy 3rd edition bible for dummies?


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1277256 - 02/04/03 09:30 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Yes. And also because Christianity has been warped and twisted and bent to serve the needs of men for the past two thousand years.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: ]
    #1277935 - 02/04/03 01:19 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Enter  you are correct, I failed to clarify that  Thanks.

I do belive the books were written under the annointing of the Holy Spirt. So they were written according to what God had that person write.

  The Bible isn't suppose to be added to or things left out. It is changed into other languages and other formats that are easier for some ppl to understand. Their are also many corrupted versions out there. I'll stick to my King James.

I do belive in some forms of evolution. Chickens will not ever turn into  rabbits. But chickens will spread out into different variations of chickens. Just like pot. There are many varieties, Apples the same thing. Many types.

The world had alot more animals then it dose now. Most have died off. If evloution were so true, animals and new animals would have been created and adapted to their environments to protect them selves for dieing off. 

I know I'm going to hear  "It takes millions of years to change"  Well I belive the Earth is only around 10,000 years old. So something that takes millions of years isn't happening on  earth  :tongue:



 


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1278037 - 02/04/03 01:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

You should become a politician. You're great at dodging questions.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1278141 - 02/04/03 02:14 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Scientists have actually observed evolution taking place in bacteria. Seeing is believing.



..I disagree, I think Knowing is believing.
This doesnt mean I dont observe evolution, I just disagree that seeing ( with your eyes ) is enough.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: shaggy101]
    #1278174 - 02/04/03 02:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I  can't see air  so it dose not exist :smile:

 


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1278214 - 02/04/03 02:33 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1278249 - 02/04/03 02:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

>I belive the Earth is only around 10,000 years old

No point in debating with this fool anymore.



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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Xibalba]
    #1278313 - 02/04/03 02:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

While I still think arguing with Bavet will accomplish nothing, I would like to give him a link-

http://www.talkorigins.org/

Go now, read everything on this website, and don't come back until you can intelligently address all the issues it brings up and have some new evidence for your beliefs not covered in the FAQ. These are NOT new arguments and the creationism thing has already been done to death here and elsewhere...


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1278803 - 02/04/03 04:59 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I can't see air so it dose not exist

Hey, that is very deep! Guess you can't feel a breeze either...

I looked around. Where is God? I even checked down behind the sofa cushions.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1280004 - 02/05/03 02:14 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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The Bible isn't suppose to be added to or things left out. It is changed into other languages and other formats that are easier for some ppl to understand. Their are also many corrupted versions out there. I'll stick to my King James.





You are either a great deadpan comic or...... You do realise that the King James bible is highly edited dont you??, oh and BTW its "Does" not "Dose"


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1280172 - 02/05/03 04:25 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"Nothing dug up out of the ground (or discovered anywhere else) has ever supported the theory of evolution."

That's the most ignorant thing I've ever seen posted here.

1. We've found many fossils that follow a pattern of change from one species to another. We've found many skeletons that seem to be somewhere between humans, and a common ancestor of man and apes.

2. Microevolution is not a theory, it's a documented fact. That's small scale evolution, it's very easy to observe single celled organisms evolving, and the evolution of fish and fruitflies and other things has been studied and documented in laboratories.

The nature of science is that it is all theory. If something cannot be proven absolutely, then it is a theory. Nobody was there to watch evolution happen, so it's a theory. It's a very good theory though, there is a lot of evidence to back it up.

Creation, on the other hand, has no evidence whatsoever to back it up.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1280186 - 02/05/03 04:31 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"The world had alot more animals then it dose now. Most have died off. If evloution were so true, animals and new animals would have been created and adapted to their environments to protect them selves for dieing off."

Actually, there are lots of new animals now that didn't used to exist. Lots of them have adapted to different environments as well.

Evolution is not something that happens immediately. Animals don't instantly develop new abilities in response to their environments. They change at random. Most changes are detrimental. When it's cold, the animals that are furrier survive, and their furriest children survive, and so on. They don't develop fur because it's cold, they survive the cold and live on to procreate because they have fur.

Rapid changes to the environment will kill off species more quickly, because evolution is a VERY slow process.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1280191 - 02/05/03 04:32 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"People should respect other peoples beliefs and their choice to follow another faith. Christians need to plant the seed and bring people to the True God by trying to live their life as The Word of God instructs."

Okay, so you need to respect the beliefs of others, and try to convert them to christianity at the same time?


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1280197 - 02/05/03 04:35 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"I know I'm going to hear "It takes millions of years to change" Well I belive the Earth is only around 10,000 years old. So something that takes millions of years isn't happening on earth "


What evidence do you have that the earth is 10,000 years old?


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1280208 - 02/05/03 04:41 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I'll say this again.

You don't have proof (which you claimed you had).

Evolution is fact AND theory. You cant argue on this, it IS fact, and there IS a scientific THEORY of evolution. There is no scientific theory of creationism. As if I needed to tell anyone here that, haha..

And.. you dont have the slightest grasp of evolution. Like many Christians, I'm sure you won't bother to learn it, as the ignorance allows for your seemingly logical arguments (to someone else ignorant of what evulotion IS) to be sensible. They are not.

Your King James version of the bible is a ridiculous joke, you contradict yourself by saying nothing should be added or taken from the bible.. when Kind James interpretted the bible for HIS needs, beliefs, etc. And thus changed the original text.

I know these are hard concepts for a dogmatic mind. Try to understand them and eventually you will.

Good luck, friend.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: ]
    #1280520 - 02/05/03 06:45 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

The same force altering those chickens into different subspecies will one day turn them into another species. If you acknowledge that they change at all then you acknowledge that they can change into another species. You don't seem to be aware that you actually agree with the theory of evolution. You believe it happens but you don't think that it has happened significantly yet because, of course, the world is only 10 000 years old.


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    #1280610 - 02/05/03 07:17 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Last summer I was walking down the street when I passed one of the local churches. They were having a barbecue, and were giving away free hot dogs and pop. My girlfriend and I thought we'd stop and grab some food from these friendly christians before continuing our walk downtown. One of the people from the church immediately started a conversation/inquisition with my girlfriend asking all kinds of probing questions about her life: Where she lives, how long she's lived in the area for, whether she goes to school, what she does for a job etc etc. It was fairly intrusive. The man's conversational skills screamed "socially inept." As she talked I avoided conversation and looked around at the people gathered and noted how many of them had the googly eyes of the mentally retarded. It was odd. I realized there was a kind of respect I'd never had for a christian my whole life. I've never felt like Christians know why they're Christian. You'd think the messengers of the truth would at least be interesting people to talk to...


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1280620 - 02/05/03 07:19 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

DOSE GOD?

Sounds like a cool experiment.


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Dogomush]
    #1280621 - 02/05/03 07:19 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I think it religion that makes them look like that... :smirk:


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1281586 - 02/05/03 12:33 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Poor old Bavet, struggling with the same kind of fanaticism that once led his fellow christians to kill and imprison those who believed that the earth was actually round!

Wakey wakey!

You seem very quiet now....

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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: GazzBut]
    #1281624 - 02/05/03 12:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Some ppl just don't get it and never will..

A personal relationship with God isn't a religion or a grouping of stupid made up ideas. Just because you don't know God dosn't mean He dosn't exist.

You can't see air but you can see what it dose. You can't see God but you can see what He dose. Maybe some can't cause they can't open their eyes and are too blinded by the forces which wish to keep you from Truths.

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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1281739 - 02/05/03 01:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

You can't see God but you can see what He dose.

How do you know what another can see?

Does grammar exist? I know that it "dose".


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1281815 - 02/05/03 01:51 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

quite some time ago i would have indulged in this kind of conversation... but now im just "not this subject again!"... i don't know why, but it saves me a lot of time... and effort  :grin:


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1281983 - 02/05/03 02:49 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Some ppl just don't get it and never will..

Well, Bavet, I'm glad we can agree on something mwahahahaha


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1282126 - 02/05/03 03:30 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Some ppl just don't get it and never will..

A personal relationship with God isn't a religion or a grouping of stupid made up ideas. Just because you don't know God dosn't mean He dosn't exist.

You can't see air but you can see what it dose. You can't see God but you can see what He dose. Maybe some can't cause they can't open their eyes and are too blinded by the forces which wish to keep you from Truths.

Oh well best wishes to you anyway.




the blind cant help the blind..
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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1282218 - 02/05/03 03:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"You can't see God but you can see what He dose. "

"God had ordered his ppl in the bible to go to war and had destroyed whole cities of ppl that went against Him."

Sound familiar>? They are your own words Bavet... :wink:
Were those children in the city also guilty of heathenism?

seems you are a little...
"blinded by the forces which wish to keep you from Truths."

contradict yourself like the bible teaches... :smirk:




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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: In(di)go]
    #1283148 - 02/05/03 10:02 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I had to delete a .lot of posts in this thread.

We don't flame here.

Help me out. :smile:


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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: Bavet]
    #1283416 - 02/06/03 02:49 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"You can't see air but you can see what it dose. You can't see God but you can see what He dose."

I see things happening all the time. There's no reason to believe that god is causing these things.

If you believe that God is someone who is making life better for you, then everytime you have a little bit of good luck, you'll think, "God did this for me", but that doesn't mean that God caused it, it just means that you THINK god caused it.

If I believed that God's only purpose was to cause hilarious slapstick accidents, everytime I saw someone fall down I'd say "God did that", and claim that it was proof God existed, which is exactly what you're doing now.


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    #1284896 - 02/06/03 12:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Dose God exist? Take a look around. [Re: In(di)go]
    #1285083 - 02/06/03 12:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I'm with you now, buddy :wink:

These conversations are completely useless, as those who believe have no proof, so they shove the burdon of proof onto those who don't.. I've seen it many times on many forums.


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