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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: True North] * 2
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You guys are dreaming if you think Trump is running the Ukraine war, he cant even run this country.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ShroomDad]
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ShroomDad said:
You guys are dreaming if you think Trump is running the Ukraine war, he cant even run this country.



You're dreaming if you think Trump giving tons of weapons, intelligence, and money to Ukraine makes him a Russian asset. No one said he's running the war. Idk enough about the operation the other poster referred to, but the USA is 100% giving intelligence to Ukraine, as is France and the UK.

Let me ask you a question, who do you think has done more for Ukraine, Trump or Germany?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch]
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Trump doesn't give money to ukraine.  Congress does and trump either try's to stop it or lets it go.  Sometimes like the housing, he just lets it go but is not part of it based on political pressure.  last term trump removed sanctions on russia and congress had to pass laws for sanctions.  You sometimes give credit where it is not due. Yes, pressure can even work on traitors.  They don't call him toco for nothing.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gww]
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gww said:
Trump doesn't give money to ukraine.  Congress does and trump either try's to stop it or lets it go.  Sometimes like the housing, he just lets it go but is not part of it based on political pressure.  last term trump removed sanctions on russia and congress had to pass laws for sanctions.  You sometimes give credit where it is not due. Yes, pressure can even work on traitors.  They don't call him toco for nothing.


Who calls Trump ‘toco’?


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Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: lowbrow]
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I should have said taco.  But if you understand that part and still have questions.  The answer is everyone who does not live under a rock.

Edited by gww (09/25/26 12:22 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch] * 1
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AlChemicalResearch said:
ShroomDad said:
You guys are dreaming if you think Trump is running the Ukraine war, he cant even run this country.



You're dreaming if you think Trump giving tons of weapons, intelligence, and money to Ukraine makes him a Russian asset. No one said he's running the war. Idk enough about the operation the other poster referred to, but the USA is 100% giving intelligence to Ukraine, as is France and the UK.

Let me ask you a question, who do you think has done more for Ukraine, Trump or Germany?


Germany by a lot


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gww]
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gww said:
I should have said taco.  But if you understand that part and still have questions.  The answer is everyone who does not live under a rock.


I never heard that one. Are you just making shit up:shrug:


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Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: lowbrow]
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That's ok.  Everyone else has heard of it and as a bonus, they now know you have not.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gww]
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gww said:
That's ok.  Everyone else has heard of it and as a bonus, they now know you have not.


Sounds like a fiction to me:shrug:


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Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
AlChemicalResearch said:
ShroomDad said:
You guys are dreaming if you think Trump is running the Ukraine war, he cant even run this country.



You're dreaming if you think Trump giving tons of weapons, intelligence, and money to Ukraine makes him a Russian asset. No one said he's running the war. Idk enough about the operation the other poster referred to, but the USA is 100% giving intelligence to Ukraine, as is France and the UK.

Let me ask you a question, who do you think has done more for Ukraine, Trump or Germany?


Germany by a lot


:lol::clown:


Edited by AlChemicalResearch (09/25/26 01:10 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch] * 2
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I think the Ukraine Russia dynamic with Trump is more nuanced than people frame it. Yes, the Trump admin has done things which support Ukraine recently. And in the recent past, many of his positions appeared overtly pro-Russian in the actual effects they would have.

But I think that policy flip lined up very neatly with the very public Epstein drama. Absent any other information, my sense is that Putin was using some of that information that was originally private as political blackmail, and was using it successfully over Trump to get various types of concessions.

I wouldn't paint Trump as a Russian sympathizer - as soon as the Epstein files drama became very public he appeared to gradually divest himself from some of those more questionable relationship and policy choices with Russia as more and more Epstein information became available or publicly stonewalled.

Many of the most substantial policy flips occurred after that drama settled almost as a deliberate fuck you for having put him in a years long blackmail position in the first place.

I think the prospect of a sitting president being sympathetic to foreign aristocracies is worrying, but one being effectively blackmailed by 3 or 4 of them simultaneously (Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia) whom all have competing geopolitical interests that don't align appears to explain a lot of the questionable foreign policy motives going back over the last decade, and is just as if not more worrying than a president motivated by sympathetic motives alone.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gww]
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gww said:
Trump doesn't give money to ukraine.  Congress does and trump either try's to stop it or lets it go.  Sometimes like the housing, he just lets it go but is not part of it based on political pressure.  last term trump removed sanctions on russia and congress had to pass laws for sanctions.  You sometimes give credit where it is not due. Yes, pressure can even work on traitors.  They don't call him toco for nothing.



The GOP controls the house and the senate, and they all adhere to Trump for fear of being primaried. If he didn't want that going to Ukraine, it wouldn't go to Ukraine.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
gww said:
That's ok.  Everyone else has heard of it and as a bonus, they now know you have not.


Sounds like a fiction to me:shrug:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Always_Chickens_Out


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch]
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AlChemicalResearch said:
Enlil said:
AlChemicalResearch said:
ShroomDad said:
You guys are dreaming if you think Trump is running the Ukraine war, he cant even run this country.



You're dreaming if you think Trump giving tons of weapons, intelligence, and money to Ukraine makes him a Russian asset. No one said he's running the war. Idk enough about the operation the other poster referred to, but the USA is 100% giving intelligence to Ukraine, as is France and the UK.

Let me ask you a question, who do you think has done more for Ukraine, Trump or Germany?


Germany by a lot


:lol::clown:


Trump hasn't given any money or weapons to Ukraine.  The U.S. has.  Germany has, too


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Germany has provided over €100 billion in bilateral aid to Ukraine since 2022, including nearly €57.6 billion in military support and more than €43.3 billion in civilian aid as of mid-2026

Meanwhile the Trump admin has given more than the Biden admin has.



over 127 billion USD delivered. A lot more allocated. On top of that, Trump bombed Iran and crippled the global oil economy. Weirdly after that, Russia ran out of gas. It makes sense, cause Russia gets a lot of it's oil from Iran.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch]
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Keep moving those goalposts...

Trump has given nothing.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Keep moving those goalposts...

Trump has given nothing.


Trump as in the Trump administration. Trump, using his position as president and leader of the GOP, has done more for Ukraine than Germany has. Germany initially was like, nah we're not giving anything. Then they were like, oh yea we'll give a bunch of helmets. And as a parliamentary system, it's not the same as saying Ursula whatever her name is.

No goal posts were moved. You were being deliberately obtuse.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch]
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Trump also removed sanctions on russia short term when he bombed iran giving them a big influx of needed money.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
gww said:
That's ok.  Everyone else has heard of it and as a bonus, they now know you have not.


Sounds like a fiction to me:shrug:


Most people in the US knows what it means, and his backing down happened on a couple of Tuesdays for some reason. Its been a while since, but it was good for a laugh at the time.

"TACO Tuesday: The label is applied by critics, media outlets, and commentators whenever a major policy reversal or climb-down happens to land on a Tuesday."


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ShroomDad]
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AlChemicalResearch said:
ShroomDad said:
You guys are dreaming if you think Trump is running the Ukraine war, he cant even run this country.



You're dreaming if you think Trump giving tons of weapons, intelligence, and money to Ukraine makes him a Russian asset. No one said he's running the war. Idk enough about the operation the other poster referred to, but the USA is 100% giving intelligence to Ukraine, as is France and the UK.

Let me ask you a question, who do you think has done more for Ukraine, Trump or Germany?


Never said Trump was a Russian asset, and True North did say he was running the war..

"He green-lit Operation Spiderweb, a direct attack on Russia's nuclear triad. His administration approves attacks on their oil refineries and energy infrastructure that are literally on a daily basis now."

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