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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: ballsalsa]
#22670521 - 12/18/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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once i lifted up the doormat on my front stoop, when i was young, and i found a ladybug...and i let the flap go, and so it was crushed; i checked.
i was scared that the ghost was gonna be mad at me, and i had fucking dreams about and shit that night.
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: akira_akuma]
#22670775 - 12/18/15 05:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Trump is a clown. I cannot believe that I read this useless thread in one sitting, but I do believe it may have crossed my eyes enough to fall back to sleep.
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
#22671036 - 12/18/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: there you have it folks, right there, is the liberal mindset on display, according to them, america is NOT exceptional,
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hostileuniverse said: the ONLY country to have went to war with itself to end slavery
Yea. Most other countries didn't need a war to end slavery... Also: at the time of the civil war slavery was forbidden in basically all other western countries. You held on the longest and had to have a war to stop it. That's not something to be proud of.
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hostileuniverse said: the ONLY country looked up to as a great land of opportunity,
Looked up to != Claim it is. I don't know anyone who has that view on america. In all of Europe, from my experience, america is viewed as the school yard bully. A lot of testosterone and a lack of intellect. Self-righteous beyond all reason. But with no or little respect for itself.
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hostileuniverse said: only here can the poor can become the richest and the most powerful, only here can anyone born into poverty can become ANYTHING they want, yet, we are supposed to believe we are nothing special
For real? You actually have serious class-problems in america... A lot worse than most European countries I would say.
Just for comparison:
In Sweden schools are free of charge for anyone. That includes Universities. You actually get money from the state for studying (~80 dollars per week) and it doesn't cost anything at all to get in. On top of that everyone, regardless of background, is also allowed a "student loan" of 210 dollars per week if needed. At university level we are allowed this loan for 240 weeks. (as long as we get grades...)
This makes it possible for poor to become rich.
We also have free healthcare for everyone. And free dentistry for everyone below 20.
The only way americans can get rich easier than Swedish people is by exploitation of other people. And buy suing someone because you burned yourself on hot Coffee... Scams and whatnot seem to be more common in the states. I would say that's a bad thing.
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hostileuniverse said: america is better than any country
I don't see how. Some statistics:
Human Poverty Index - America is below the rest of the western countries.
Obesity - America is at the top.
You even have higher Infant Mortality than all of Europe:
Or Homicide rate ? America has 4,8 homicides per 100 000 people per year. Basically the rest of Europe has below 2. Sweden has 1.
Life Expectancy - America is below the rest of the western countries.
Should I stop here perhaps?
America is not a role model for the rest of the western world. America is a discouraging example.
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Malkuthian]
#22671072 - 12/18/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mal, how do you feel about the immigrant "presence" in Sweden today?
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: ballsalsa]
#22671525 - 12/18/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: in that moment when the spiders perched on the surface of the pond, and began skittering their way back to me, i felt as though they understood how badly i had tried to fuck them over and were coming for revenge. And they deserved it probably, but discretion is the better part of valor and all that jazz, so i ran away from spiders like a little girl and never encountered them again. every so often i feel their beady little eyes on me though, and i look over my shoulder, just in case. You never know how long a spider might hold a grudge for.
I'm with you balls! Fuck spiders anyway!
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Malkuthian]
#22673458 - 12/18/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Excellent post Mulkuthian
but dont shatter hostile universe's illusion!!! he will be praying at his shrine of Limbaugh for protection
America is a bully in the world. Exceptionalism means that America can get away with things that no other country can get away with.
there are some things i personally really love about america from my experience. i love its diversity - i see it as a real melting pot BUT i might see that and forget the reality in many cases is that of separation. White, English speaking Americans of European descent seem to lose their heads at this diversity that i appreciate so much. The "other" is scary. Generally-speaking there is alot of separation though there are big exceptions. Many see it as their country only and change as scccaaaarrryyyyyy. qman and hostile will scoff but racism is rife in America. Its a country where people try to set off a race war and actually could have a potential to succeed, this just wouldnt happen in Europe. I mean there is still alot of racism in Europe, but nothing compared to the US.
America is about money and power regardless of the cost to people in its own nation but internationally too.
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22673536 - 12/18/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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the vetting process, can we not improve it? should we just let in all muslims and HOPE they aren't terrorists? ISIS has bragged about infiltrating the refugee program, are you saying they are lying?
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how do you even tell who is muslim?
really? or are you just being difficult? a properly dialed in vetting process should ascertain fairly easily if they are muslim, and what kind of muslim, a radical, or maybe just one of the ones who don't brag about supporting jihad...
how easily would this vetting process be able to tell if someone is muslim? anyone can convert to islam tomorrow. or do you mean brown people with arabic sounding names? there are muslims that are not arab, not arabic speaking etc. people with beards? There are plenty of people in the US already (muslim or not muslim) who would attack the US government and people. It doesn't stop the attacks. You focus on the root on the issue if you want to break the cycle.
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And will it be accepted that the price of food goes up?
did ya miss the part about them "only picking 2% of our crops"??? I'm sure the increase cost in food would be negligible,
that aside, why are you ok with people, any people, working for slave wages???
what liberals fail to realize is ECONOMIC PROSPERITY is the surest way to drive wages UP!!!
when did i say i'm ok with people working for slave wages???
2% is also a hell of a lot of crops... but did you miss the point where i said that by its very nature as being illegal, statistics on illegal immigration and illegal employment are indicators at best but are inaccurate.
I'm not sure how significant the price rise would be, i said i would just imagine there would be one.
What people like you fail to understand is that people need to be able to survive, if they struggle at even surviving - if there isnt a basic standard then it holds the whole economy back. Just going for ECONOMIC PROSPERITY at all costs feeds into the myth of the trickle down effect because it just goes to the top and stays there.
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there you have it folks, right there, is the liberal mindset on display, according to them, america is NOT exceptional, the ONLY country to become a world superpower in less than two centuries, the ONLY country to have went to war with itself to end slavery, the ONLY country looked up to as a great land of opportunity, we are nothing special... I call BS! america is better than any country, only here can the poor can become the richest and the most powerful, only here can anyone born into poverty can become ANYTHING they want, yet, we are supposed to believe we are nothing special
listen and learn, if you dare...
yeh i think Malkuthian dealt with part pretty well.
youre nothing special, Hostile. Well, maybe a special kind of straw man.
also.. Rush Limbaugh? seriously? is this where you get your learning? explains alot...
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote] 1
#22674013 - 12/18/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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American exceptionalism...
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Edited by Bigbadwooof (12/19/15 12:09 PM)
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22674088 - 12/18/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hahaha nice clip!
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
#22703064 - 12/26/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22703363 - 12/26/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes in fact it is if you think about it.
Fascism is where government and corporation merge.
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Shins] 1
#22705676 - 12/27/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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universal healthcare is not fascism
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
#22706487 - 12/27/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shins said: Yes in fact it is if you think about it.
Fascism is where government and corporation merge.
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Tipote said: universal healthcare is not fascism
Can I get some clarification?
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22706646 - 12/27/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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fascism might support some aspects of welfare for more economic purposes but thats about it. Fascism is extreme right wing, if the right generally doesnt support the welfare state and universal healthcare, fascism certainly wouldnt.
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
#22706653 - 12/27/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tipote said: fascism might support some aspects of welfare for more economic purposes but thats about it. Fascism is extreme right wing, if the right generally doesnt support the welfare state and universal healthcare, fascism certainly wouldnt.
So Trump isn't a fascist???
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22706665 - 12/27/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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the policy of universal healthcare is not fascist. that doesnt mean that trump isnt fascist. hes just trying to get more votes.
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
#22706675 - 12/27/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tipote said: the policy of universal healthcare is not fascist. that doesnt mean that trump isnt fascist. hes just trying to get more votes.
So it's possible to be "just a little bit fascist"? Does that make the him better or worse?
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
#22706702 - 12/27/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tipote said: fascism might support some aspects of welfare for more economic purposes but thats about it. Fascism is extreme right wing, if the right generally doesnt support the welfare state and universal healthcare, fascism certainly wouldnt.
"Fascism is extreme right wing"
Or extreme left wing, you do remember the USSR?
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22706706 - 12/27/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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no.... i didnt say it made him less fascist..
it just confirms he isnt a complete idiot, he knows the demagogue game well
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
#22706709 - 12/27/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tipote said: no.... i didnt say it made him less fascist..
it just confirms he isnt a complete idiot, he knows the demagogue game well
So he's lying when he says he will insure the poor?
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