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Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism
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So, I have drawn parallels to the significance of electing one of the leaders of Corporate America to the highest office of the American government, and the phenomenon of Fascist ideals growing in the hearts of right wing America.

Beyond the most basic understanding of Fascism (The merger of business and state), a condition which a Trump regime would certainly meet, there are an increasing number of Fascist principles being vividly expressed with no sugar-coating, and wildly advocated for by the base.

Some of the key markers of Fascism are a boarderline religious form of nationalism, a focus on the military, isolationist self-sufficiency if possible, a return to some ideal vision of what the country once was, banning things that the government finds harmful (such as drugs), and stifling of dissent by the government.

Now, Trump doesn't fit all of these criteria, and there could certainly be a more in-depth description of Fascism. However, some of the things he says are quite alarming when matched up against this template.

Take Trump's wall for instance. This is a form of isolationism. Walling off other countries to keep good people in, and bad people out (American citizens are the good people). While I understand the reasoning behind it, when coupled with other factors, it is alarming to say the least. Donald Trump wants to increase military spending significantly. This is another characteristic of Fascism.

What really hit home for me was when he decided that it would be a good idea to make Muslims wear a mark which identifies them as Muslims, and suggested the government keep a list of all of them. Does this remind you guys of some historical event, perhaps? Another characteristic which aligns with Fascist regimes of history is the notion that we should cleanse the population of unwanted people. People of a certain race.

Donald wants to continue the war on drugs, because he views marijuana as harmful. The war on drugs has always been a Fascist ideal.

Am I wrong here?


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Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


Edited by Bigbadwooof (12/03/15 12:21 AM)

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Re: Donal Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Am I wrong here?


Yes


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Re: Donal Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Maintaining a border is protecting one's sovereignty, that's not fascism, it's called being responsible.

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Re: Donal Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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qman said:
Maintaining a border is protecting one's sovereignty, that's not fascism, it's called being responsible.


Try to look at the sum of all of these parts, instead of cherry picking things you disagree with.

If you're going to cherrypick something, how about this?:

Quote:
What really hit home for me was when he decided that it would be a good idea to make Muslims wear a mark which identifies them as Muslims, and suggested the government keep a list of all of them. Does this remind you guys of some historical event, perhaps?


hostileuniverse said:
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Am I wrong here?


Yes


Care to elaborate, or is that all that half a broken cylinder you're crankin up there has to offer?


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FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Donal Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: qman]
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nah you got it :thumbup:


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Re: Donal Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: airclay] * 1
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If you're gonna accuse the guy of something, maybe you could cite a source or something,

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Beyond the most basic understanding of Fascism (The merger of business and state), a condition which a Trump regime would certainly meet, there are an increasing number of Fascist principles being vividly expressed with no sugar-coating, and wildly advocated for by the base


Isn't Bernie sanders the one who wants to nationalize the banks? Education? The energy sector? Healthcare?

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2266

Can you cite where Trump wants to nationalize anything?


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Re: Donal Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
If you're gonna accuse the guy of something, maybe you could cite a source or something,

Quote:
Beyond the most basic understanding of Fascism (The merger of business and state), a condition which a Trump regime would certainly meet, there are an increasing number of Fascist principles being vividly expressed with no sugar-coating, and wildly advocated for by the base


Isn't Bernie sanders the one who wants to nationalize the banks? Education? The energy sector? Healthcare?

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2266

Can you cite where Trump wants to nationalize anything?


Sure nationalization of certain industries is a characteristic of Fascism. However, when we think of the horrors of Fascism, nationalized healthcare isn't even on the list. However, Trump meets several of the nastier criteria of a Fascist regime.

I bring you back to this:
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What really hit home for me was when he decided that it would be a good idea to make Muslims wear a mark which identifies them as Muslims, and suggested the government keep a list of all of them. Does this remind you guys of some historical event, perhaps?


Nationalization of certain industries is also a feature of Socialism, Communism, and even modern day Capitalism, so I feel you're really grasping at straws here.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Donal Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Bigbadwooof said:
hostileuniverse said:
If you're gonna accuse the guy of something, maybe you could cite a source or something,

Quote:
Beyond the most basic understanding of Fascism (The merger of business and state), a condition which a Trump regime would certainly meet, there are an increasing number of Fascist principles being vividly expressed with no sugar-coating, and wildly advocated for by the base


Isn't Bernie sanders the one who wants to nationalize the banks? Education? The energy sector? Healthcare?

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2266

Can you cite where Trump wants to nationalize anything?


Sure nationalization of certain industries is a characteristic of Fascism. However, when we think of the horrors of Fascism, nationalized healthcare isn't even on the list. However, Trump meets several of the nastier criteria of a Fascist regime.

I bring you back to this:
Quote:
What really hit home for me was when he decided that it would be a good idea to make Muslims wear a mark which identifies them as Muslims, and suggested the government keep a list of all of them. Does this remind you guys of some historical event, perhaps?


Nationalization of certain industries is also a feature of Socialism, Communism, and even modern day Capitalism, so I feel you're really grasping at straws here.


Maybe you could post a link of what industries Trump wants to nationalize? I noticed you didn't, or even a link of the other unsubstantiated shit?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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The man has openly stated that he doesn't mind taking away some rights in exhcangw for security.And his prole** followers cheered! Sounds pretty hitler-ly to me...


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Edited by Sulfurshelfsean (12/03/15 07:15 AM)

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
The man has openly stated that he doesn't mind taking away some rights in exhcangw for security.And his people followers cheered! Sounds pretty hitler-ly to me...


When have we ever NOT given up rights for security?

you a sanders supporter? Did you know hitler was for unions, national healthcare, "gun control"? Sound familiar?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
Did you know hitler was for unions, national healthcare...


If there's one thing Hitler did extraordinarily well, it was to fix the German economy during the Great Depression.

Trump wants Muslims to register in a national database and carry identification that marks their religious beliefs.  Sound familiar?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
hostileuniverse said:
Did you know hitler was for unions, national healthcare...


If there's one thing Hitler did extraordinarily well, it was to fix the German economy during the Great Depression.

Trump wants Muslims to register in a national database and carry identification that marks their religious beliefs.  Sound familiar?


That's sort of what I was getting at here:

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However, when we think of the horrors of Fascism, nationalized healthcare isn't even on the list. However, Trump meets several of the nastier criteria of a Fascist regime.


The fact that 'Hitler did it'! Doesn't make something bad. Hitler also breathed and shit. However, when we look to the reasons the world despises the Nazi regime in Germany, some of Trump's proposals and personal attributes are eerily reminiscent.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


Edited by Bigbadwooof (12/03/15 11:11 PM)

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
The man has openly stated that he doesn't mind taking away some rights in exhcangw for security.And his prole** followers cheered! Sounds pretty hitler-ly to me...


:asianofapproval:


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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  Trump wants Muslims to register in a national database and carry identification that marks their religious beliefs.  Sound familiar?



this alone isnt a bad thing if its for everyone

islam is scary though, most of its history is violence, and now that their perceived ancient enemy runs the world it must burn hot inside some, then theres the lack of freedom

i do believe the evil people are totally cool with trump getting in whether he plays for them or not

itd be relatively easy for them to engineer us into a raging froth setting forth a new breed of holocaust

they might have to hold off on the one world government, but at least people will be dieing

bernie sanders is funny he acts likes hes special for not getting big donors then says the same thing as the guy who lives in the dracula castle

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Does]
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besides the mass murder of undesirables and waging war on the world were hitlers policies bad?

ye cant even really blame that on him though, he was a broken child who was given power then conned by the british

note elizabeth heiling in 33

insert meth and voila, history

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Does]
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http://www.popsugar.com/tech/Donald-Trump-Danny-Zuker-Twitter-Feud-37846762

^ tee hee

PS: good thread OP.

hostileuniverse said:
Sulfurshelfsean said:
The man has openly stated that he doesn't mind taking away some rights in exhcangw for security.And his people followers cheered! Sounds pretty hitler-ly to me...


When have we ever NOT given up rights for security?

you a sanders supporter? Did you know hitler was for unions, national healthcare, "gun control"? Sound familiar?


^ awesome. what a hypocrite.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - B. Franklin.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: akira_akuma]
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PS: remember when the farmers fired all the Mexican workers, and American workers wouldn't take those jobs?

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Trump wants Muslims to register in a national database and carry identification that marks their religious beliefs.  Sound familiar?


The database claim was something a reporter said and the MSM reported it as something Trump brought up. I don't know where you got the religious id thing from, but the media seems to be throwing everything they can against the wall to see what sticks.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Astral Pain]
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Astral Pain said:
The database claim was something a reporter said and the MSM reported it as something Trump brought up. I don't know where you got the religious id thing from, but the media seems to be throwing everything they can against the wall to see what sticks.


Here's that story:

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“We’re going to have to do things that we never did before. And some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule,” Trump said. “And certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy. And so we’re going to have to do certain things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago.”

Yahoo News asked Trump whether this level of tracking might require registering Muslims in a database or giving them a form of special identification that noted their religion. He wouldn’t rule it out.

“We’re going to have to — we’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely,” Trump said when presented with the idea.



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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
Sulfurshelfsean said:
The man has openly stated that he doesn't mind taking away some rights in exhcangw for security.And his people followers cheered! Sounds pretty hitler-ly to me...


When have we ever NOT given up rights for security?

you a sanders supporter? Did you know hitler was for unions, national healthcare, "gun control"? Sound familiar?


You're absolutely right, Hitler had a few good ideas. And just to note the whole gun control thing was mainly aimed at Jewish people and others deemed " non desirables" by his regime.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gun_control_theory


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Astral Pain]
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Astral Pain said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Trump wants Muslims to register in a national database and carry identification that marks their religious beliefs.  Sound familiar?


The database claim was something a reporter said and the MSM reported it as something Trump brought up. I don't know where you got the religious id thing from, but the media seems to be throwing everything they can against the wall to see what sticks.


I saw it from his own fucking mouth.


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FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Astral Pain said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Trump wants Muslims to register in a national database and carry identification that marks their religious beliefs.  Sound familiar?


The database claim was something a reporter said and the MSM reported it as something Trump brought up. I don't know where you got the religious id thing from, but the media seems to be throwing everything they can against the wall to see what sticks.


I saw it from his own fucking mouth.


If you saw it, there's video of it somewhere, I notice you STILL can't cite a source


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
Bigbadwooof said:
Astral Pain said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Trump wants Muslims to register in a national database and carry identification that marks their religious beliefs.  Sound familiar?


The database claim was something a reporter said and the MSM reported it as something Trump brought up. I don't know where you got the religious id thing from, but the media seems to be throwing everything they can against the wall to see what sticks.


I saw it from his own fucking mouth.


If you saw it, there's video of it somewhere, I notice you STILL can't cite a source


:popcorn:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Literally 2 seconds of searching will find evidence that Donald Trump advocates forcing Muslims to register and carry ID cards.

I'm not here to spoon feed you bro. This is a pretty mainstream issue.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


Edited by Bigbadwooof (12/04/15 07:53 PM)

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Literally 2 seconds of searching will find evidence that Donald Trump advocates forcing Muslims to register and carry ID cards.

I'm not here to spoon feed you bro. This is a pretty mainstream issue.


So there is no proof, you are a liar, that's pathetic woofie


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
Bigbadwooof said:
Literally 2 seconds of searching will find evidence that Donald Trump advocates forcing Muslims to register and carry ID cards.

I'm not here to spoon feed you bro. This is a pretty mainstream issue.


So there is no proof, you are a liar, that's pathetic woofie


:carlinorgasm:


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
hostileuniverse said:
Bigbadwooof said:
Literally 2 seconds of searching will find evidence that Donald Trump advocates forcing Muslims to register and carry ID cards.

I'm not here to spoon feed you bro. This is a pretty mainstream issue.


So there is no proof, you are a liar, that's pathetic woofie


:carlinorgasm:


Rather than getting upset, you should just admit you lied. Better to admit your mistakes than to double down on them


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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:lolsy::asianofapproval:

:carlinorgasm:

Do they not provide the Google down in Bible belt territory?

I guess they probably dont want you poor folks to have access to information that isn't sanction by the Texas school board.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
:lolsy::asianofapproval:

:carlinorgasm:

Do they not provide the Google down in Bible belt territory?

I guess they probably dont want you poor folks to have access to information that isn't sanction by the Texas school board.


It it's true, why don't you prove it?:popcorn:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Literally 2 seconds of searching will find evidence that Donald Trump advocates forcing Muslims to register and carry ID cards.

I'm not here to spoon feed you bro. This is a pretty mainstream issue.


Here's the video. The reporter brings it up, and Trump goes on to talk about a wall and other systems to be in place. This was not a direct question of a muslim database as the media reported it to be. I don't think many people, if any especially after what just happened in Cali, would have a problem with anything he said in this video. With our current national security coming into question, I can only see an increase of Trump supporters.   



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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Astral Pain]
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From your video:

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We should have a lot of systems, beyond databases, we should have a lot of systems...

- Donald J Trump (Not sure about the J, but it sounds better)

That sounds like him suggesting databases are a good idea.

Quote:
But that's something your whitehouse would like to administrate?

- Reporter

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Oh I would certainly implement that, absolutely

- Donald J Trump


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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It was being reported as "Trump Calls For Muslim Database", and not Trump may agree with the implementation of a database system when suggested by a reporter. Trump didn't call for anything or even bring it up, and it's how it was reported that caused a stir.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Astral Pain] * 1
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You're splitting hairs. A serious candidate not immediately rejecting the idea of a database that keeps track of a certain race/religion is pretty damn troubling. It doesn't matter if Trump brought it up or not; the only sane, democratic, non-facsist response is to say: "no, we will not require government tracking of people based solely on their religious affiliation."

What ever happened to "conservatives" wanting less government?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: BoldAsLove]
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they LIED.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: BoldAsLove]
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Who knows if it's a database that he was agreeing with in the first place. He went on about a wall and keeping track of people who come into this country, and then the reporter asked him if his white house would implement "this". Define "this" and you'll have the answer to what he was referring to.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Astral Pain]
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politicians never mince words.

he also thinks a nice "safe zone" in Syria would be a good idea.

nice. who's gonna look after all these people in this "safe zone"?

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
politicians never mince words.

he also thinks a nice "safe zone" in Syria would be a good idea.

nice. who's gonna look after all these people in this "safe zone"?


it would be a hell of a lot cheaper, and safer (for us) to keep them there, Obama wants to bring 225,000 of them here, even if .01 percent of them are terrorists, thats 2250 terrorists in america, and as we've learned (or at least us conservatives have, libs are still blaming climate change or postpartum depression) it only takes a handful to cause major harm and destruction


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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well, they'd probably only end up killing liberals anyway, considering they won't be in their shotgun shacks, entrenched in sandbags, and dug into bunkers like the conservatives.

personally, i can't see the damage being that big, but then again, they come to America, of all places, and there is tons of opportunity to destroy, because they have literally all the tools they need...if they could acquire them that is.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
akira_akuma said:
politicians never mince words.

he also thinks a nice "safe zone" in Syria would be a good idea.

nice. who's gonna look after all these people in this "safe zone"?


it would be a hell of a lot cheaper, and safer (for us) to keep them there, Obama wants to bring 225,000 of them here, even if .01 percent of them are terrorists, thats 2250 terrorists in america, and as we've learned (or at least us conservatives have, libs are still blaming climate change or postpartum depression) it only takes a handful to cause major harm and destruction


.01% would be quite a lot. I would expect something closer to the tune of a small handfull, if any. I could see it happening, and from my perspective anyone who says there isn't a possibility of a terrorist attack is either bias and full of shit, or ill-informed. If we were to take in 225,000 of them, that is.

To be honest, I think the reason that the leaders of European countries and the US are putting such high bids in for refugees, despite opposition from their people, is to create an influx of cheap labor. It's good for big business. That's just a theory of mine though.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Does America really need more cheap labor? I guess you can't have too much of a good thing, right? But when Bernie wins and we go full blown entitlement state, what does that do to the economy?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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improve it.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
when Bernie wins and we go full blown entitlement state, what does that do to the economy?


Oh my lord, another STRAW MAN!  :facepalm3:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
hostileuniverse said:
when Bernie wins and we go full blown entitlement state, what does that do to the economy?


Oh my lord, another STRAW MAN!  :facepalm3:


So Bernie ISN'T going to win???


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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He isn't "full blown entitlement state".  :facepalm3:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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hostileuniverse said:
Does America really need more cheap labor? I guess you can't have too much of a good thing, right? But when Bernie wins and we go full blown entitlement state, what does that do to the economy?


Stimulates it. Did you history teacher fail you also?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
Does America really need more cheap labor? I guess you can't have too much of a good thing, right? But when Bernie wins and we go full blown entitlement state, what does that do to the economy?


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More Mexican immigrants have returned to Mexico from the U.S. than have migrated here since the end of the Great Recession, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of newly available government data from both countries. The same data sources also show the overall flow of Mexican immigrants between the two countries is at its smallest since the 1990s, mostly due to a drop in the number of Mexican immigrants coming to the U.S.


http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/?utm_expid=53098246-2.Lly4CFSVQG2lphsg-KopIg.0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

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Citing Mexican census figures, the report found that 1 million Mexicans and their families (including U.S.-born children) left the U.S. for Mexico from 2009 to 2014. It said that U.S. census data for the same period shows an estimated 870,000 Mexicans entered the U.S.


http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/19/news/economy/more-mexicans-leaving-us-than-coming/

Mexicans have been leaving the country in significant numbers since 2009. They're taking their American born children with them.

I think my theory hold water :wink:

This theory, that is:

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To be honest, I think the reason that the leaders of European countries and the US are putting such high bids in for refugees, despite opposition from their people, is to create an influx of cheap labor. It's good for big business. That's just a theory of mine though.



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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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But who's gonna pick our fruit and kill our citizens?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Fresh bodies on the dole are instant democrat voters. Just like the felons Barry let loose a few months ago.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Astral Pain]
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Religious fanatics tend to vote Republican. Thankfully Republicans have alienated the Muslim community.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I don't know man but if Bernie doesn't beat Hillary then I'll pick trump over Hillary any day.

He can continue the war on drugs all he wants but the states will decide for themselves in the end. As far as muslims go I've met a lot of really friendly muslims who complain about the rasism in America because of 9/11. On the other hand what happened in Paris and San Bernardino is kind of scary to think about. I think more people need to have concealed firearms in case of these situations. You can order firearms and explosives off the darknet easily. Gun laws are just taking guns awaymfrom people who need them for protection. Not every terrorist is a Muslim, but we have to make sure people entering this country aren't dangerous, Muslim or not.

Trump is refreshing to me. Seems like all we've had is corrupt politicians who are paid off by globalists elites to say and do anything they tell them. Trumps so rich I don't think he's getting paid off.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Astral Pain] * 1
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Astral Pain said:
Who knows if it's a database that he was agreeing with in the first place. He went on about a wall and keeping track of people who come into this country, and then the reporter asked him if his white house would implement "this". Define "this" and you'll have the answer to what he was referring to.


You're still missing the point. Here are his full comments over multiple days in context, for reference: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/24/donald-trumps-comments-database-american-muslims/.

The issue is not whether or not he supports a database. The issue is that he isn't disgusted by the idea. The only appropriate response is not an ambiguous, unclear reply that might be offering support, or might be talking about something else. The only acceptable response is to explicitly reject the idea of such a database. Conservatives especially should reject it based on the amount of power being given to the federal government. And everyone should reject it because of the fascist undertones it carries. I don't think Trump ever explicitly supported it, but he certainly didn't seem that opposed, and that's what I take huge issue with.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: BoldAsLove]
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:whathesaid:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Religious fanatics tend to vote Republican. Thankfully Republicans have alienated the Muslim community.


Gobblety gook, most Christians vote democrat, jesus was a "socialist" remember?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
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Religious fanatics tend to vote Republican. Thankfully Republicans have alienated the Muslim community.


Gobblety gook, most Christians vote democrat, jesus was a "socialist" remember?


:lmafo::lolsy::asianofapproval:

Yeah, damn right!

It's the atheists that vote Republican! That's why Republicans spend so much time talking about pro-choice, separation of church and state, and evolution!


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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you should really try facts instead of straw mans,

if people of faith voted republican, the democrats would NEVER win, thats a fact, I know you think the republican caters to religious people, and they do, to some extent, but thats obviously not what most voters base their votes on...

Ive always found it ironic how dems hate jews (or at least the jewish state) but the jews overwhelmingly support them in elections



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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
you should really try facts instead of straw mans,

if people of faith voted republican, the democrats would NEVER win, thats a fact, I know you think the republican caters to religious people, and they do, to some extent, but thats obviously not what most voters base their votes on...

Ive always found it ironic how dems hate jews (or at least the jewish state) but the jews overwhelmingly support them in elections




the jewish state does not represent world jewry however much they like to pretend. many american jews are against the jewish state and their activities. there are many jewish groups in solidarity with palestine and against the occupation.

you are good at lumping people into one homogenous group.

also, doesnt your table show that very religious people voted more republican than democrat?
there is also a clear race divide.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/we-asked-a-fascism-expert-if-donald-trump-is-a-fascist-124


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/we-asked-a-fascism-expert-if-donald-trump-is-a-fascist-124


"Trump is sort of proposing could lead to a marriage of business and government"

What nonsense, we already have a marriage to business and government today, when Trump suggests a 35% tariff on imports from China and Mexico, he's giving the middle finger to shareholders, it's the complete opposite of what this article is suggesting, pure garbage.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
hostileuniverse said:
you should really try facts instead of straw mans,

if people of faith voted republican, the democrats would NEVER win, thats a fact, I know you think the republican caters to religious people, and they do, to some extent, but thats obviously not what most voters base their votes on...

Ive always found it ironic how dems hate jews (or at least the jewish state) but the jews overwhelmingly support them in elections




the jewish state does not represent world jewry however much they like to pretend. many american jews are against the jewish state and their activities. there are many jewish groups in solidarity with palestine and against the occupation.

you are good at lumping people into one homogenous group.

also, doesnt your table show that very religious people voted more republican than democrat?
there is also a clear race divide.


I missed the part about "very religious" maybe you can point out that part in the chart

yes, there is, blacks, hispanics, and jews overwhelmingly support democrats, the racist party, when you divide the country along races, these are the results


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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well born again/evangelical and mormon is very religious...


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: qman]
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Trump just said he wants to bar all muslims coming to the US. All of them. Even American citizens who are overseas right now.

what do you think qman and hostile? you seem to be quite fond of Trump




qman said:
Tipote said:
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/we-asked-a-fascism-expert-if-donald-trump-is-a-fascist-124


"Trump is sort of proposing could lead to a marriage of business and government"

What nonsense, we already have a marriage to business and government today, when Trump suggests a 35% tariff on imports from China and Mexico, he's giving the middle finger to shareholders, it's the complete opposite of what this article is suggesting, pure garbage.


i dont think Trump is giving the middle finger to share holders.

anything else from the article in particular?

i agree that business and government is very much intertwined in america already. I don't see that going backwards with Trump. Do you ?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Lol, the trolls in the comments section, at least!

Some drunken asshole got in my gf's face today, because she 'was ignorant for not supporting Trump'! lmao

Anyway, Tariffs would be bad for big business, so qman is right about that. However, I might add, that him imposing tariffs would also be a Fascist move. Fascism seeks to preserve national interests over foreign interests at any cost. This manifests itself in positive and negative ways. I also support tariffs.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
I also support tariffs.


if BS don't get the nod, are you gonna come to the Trump side? we have cookies!:crazy2:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
Trump just said he wants to bar all muslims coming to the US. All of them. Even American citizens who are overseas right now.

what do you think qman and hostile? you seem to be quite fond of Trump




qman said:
Tipote said:
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/we-asked-a-fascism-expert-if-donald-trump-is-a-fascist-124


"Trump is sort of proposing could lead to a marriage of business and government"

What nonsense, we already have a marriage to business and government today, when Trump suggests a 35% tariff on imports from China and Mexico, he's giving the middle finger to shareholders, it's the complete opposite of what this article is suggesting, pure garbage.


i dont think Trump is giving the middle finger to share holders.

anything else from the article in particular?

i agree that business and government is very much intertwined in america already. I don't see that going backwards with Trump. Do you ?


His economic plan (tariffs and booting out cheap labor) would cost the elite trillions in profits, no other politician could ever suggest such a plan.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: qman]
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"Even American citizens"?

I'd love to see a link to that, or are you just making things up again?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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Bigbadwooof said:
Lol, the trolls in the comments section, at least!

Some drunken asshole got in my gf's face today, because she 'was ignorant for not supporting Trump'! lmao

Anyway, Tariffs would be bad for big business, so qman is right about that. However, I might add, that him imposing tariffs would also be a Fascist move. Fascism seeks to preserve national interests over foreign interests at any cost. This manifests itself in positive and negative ways. I also support tariffs.



i accept tariffs are difficult for big business but i dont think he is showing the middle finger to the share holders. there might be tariffs in terms of protectionism, that is one thing, but he is talking about making it attractive for big business to come - including allowing all tax haven money to come back into the US.


hostileuniverse said:
"Even American citizens"?

I'd love to see a link to that, or are you just making things up again?


Yes, he made the comment and journalists asked by email if this included American citizens abroad and the reply was "everybody". Though of course this was from the campaign team and he has come out now saying he didn't mean American citizens. the point is, he seems to chop and change according to who he is speaking to. He loves muslims then he wants to stop them coming, including citizens, then not including citizens.

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Trump, in a formal statement from his campaign, urged a “total and complete shutdown” of all federal processes allowing followers of Islam into the country until elected leaders can “figure out what is going on.”
Asked by The Hill whether that would include American Muslims currently abroad, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks replied over email: “Mr. Trump says, ‘everyone.’ ”


making things up again? when have i done that? thats your job, your royal strawiness.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: BoldAsLove] * 2
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BoldAsLove said:
You're splitting hairs. A serious candidate not immediately rejecting the idea of a database that keeps track of a certain race/religion is pretty damn troubling. It doesn't matter if Trump brought it up or not; the only sane, democratic, non-facsist response is to say: "no, we will not require government tracking of people based solely on their religious affiliation."


Well put!

The fascist mentality is growing is Europe as well. Even if it isn't mainstream yet, people seem to avoid seeing how close we actually are. I think our generations are to young to realize what the core problem with fascism was, we are reducing the problem to "they killed people". New fascism regimes are growing and history will repeat. At least the risk is big.

Every day we are reducing our freedom more and more for the sake of "security" (read: fear).
It's sad.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Malkuthian]
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Malkuthian said:
BoldAsLove said:
You're splitting hairs. A serious candidate not immediately rejecting the idea of a database that keeps track of a certain race/religion is pretty damn troubling. It doesn't matter if Trump brought it up or not; the only sane, democratic, non-facsist response is to say: "no, we will not require government tracking of people based solely on their religious affiliation."


Well put!

The fascist mentality is growing is Europe as well. Even if it isn't mainstream yet, people seem to avoid seeing how close we actually are. I think our generations are to young to realize what the core problem with fascism was, we are reducing the problem to "they killed people". New fascism regimes are growing and history will repeat. At least the risk is big.

Every day we are reducing our freedom more and more for the sake of "security" (read: fear).
It's sad.


absolutely! I think after enough time has passed, younger people and ignorant older people who haven't learnt from history take us to the same dangerous positions for history to repeat itself.

Fascism is on the rise again and just as Boldaslove says, its normalisation should ring alarm bells.






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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism *DELETED* [Re: Tipote]
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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
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During a Tuesday morning interview with ABC's "Good Morning America," however, Trump clarified that American Muslims would still be able to travel under his plan


From YOUR source, ya fucking liar!



lol... liar?

i did say his campaign team said it and he has come out saying that its not the case. how is that a lie if i just told you that? his campaign did say it originally that...

Quote:
Trump, in a formal statement from his campaign, urged a “total and complete shutdown” of all federal processes allowing followers of Islam into the country until elected leaders can “figure out what is going on.”
Asked by The Hill whether that would include American Muslims currently abroad, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks replied over email: “Mr. Trump says, ‘everyone.’ ”


here is what i said..

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Though of course this was from the campaign team and he has come out now saying he didn't mean American citizens. the point is, he seems to chop and change according to who he is speaking to.


or the adjusts his position on the reaction.

admittedly, this could have been a slip up from his own spokesperson.

maybe think, take your time, and read slowly next time before you start calling people "fucking liars"?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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YEAH NEXT TIME JUST REPORT ME!

THE POST WAS A LIE, TRUMP DID NOT SAY THAT, IT WAS LIE, YOUR OWN SOURCE PROVES IT WAS A LIE!

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
YEAH NEXT TIME JUST REPORT ME!

THE POST WAS A LIE, TRUMP DID NOT SAY THAT, IT WAS LIE, YOUR OWN SOURCE PROVES IT WAS A LIE!

CHEERS!



sorry to burst your bubble mate but i didnt report you much as you deserve it most of the time, the mod acted on his own. I got my own official warning for a comment ive made to someone else. Also even if i did report you, it doesnt necessarily mean the moderator would just do what i want. either you broke the rules or you didnt.....

it wasnt a lie..
i even said..

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admittedly, this could have been a slip up from his own spokesperson.


which clearly it was. however, when the announcement was made, that was the message coming from his campaign, he has since clarified.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
Trump just said he wants to bar all muslims coming to the US. All of them. Even American citizens who are overseas right now.


THERE IS YOIR ORIGINAL QUOTE, MAYBE YOU "MISPOKE" I HEARD ONCE LIBERALS ARE ACTUALLY INCAPABLE OF LYING BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEIR INTENTIONS ARE NOBLE:rolleyes:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
Tipote said:
Trump just said he wants to bar all muslims coming to the US. All of them. Even American citizens who are overseas right now.


THERE IS YOIR ORIGINAL QUOTE, MAYBE YOU "MISPOKE" I HEARD ONCE LIBERALS ARE ACTUALLY INCAPABLE OF LYING BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEIR INTENTIONS ARE NOBLE:rolleyes:


correct, the trump campaign has said this. his campaign team said he said this. it has since been corrected and clarified.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Firstly I'll have to admit that I'm Canadian so this Trump phenomena dosen't impact me directly, though most Canadians lean to the left so the govt and media are just as aghast at what he says as are your Democrats.

What I'm enjoying seeing is the shock that almost all your politicians are expressing at his behavior. Yet the way I see it is that his popularity is a direct result of the policies of the left. Many people are getting heartily sick of what appears to be constant political correctness to the extreme and have found someone in Trump who will express those feelings of frustration for them. The fact that our govt's, yours and ours (especially ours), keep leaning more and more to the left has, at least in the US so far, created a backlash to the right.

I'm not saying that Trump would make a good president, he does seem to be a bit of a loose cannon but where is there another politician that can adequately represent those on the right, there isn't one. What's needed is a middle of the road type who expresses common sense in his/her policies without either being socialist or fascist, but does have the guts to stand up to politically correct idiocy. The trouble is that the left denigrates anyone who dosen't toe the party line. For instance we have an openly gay premier in the province of Ontario who has stated that anyone who dosen't agree with her is a homophobe, a racist, and/or a zenophobe. (That's ok you should hear what I call her  :cuteshit: )

Another problem is that the right is not a homogeneous group. I for instance consider myself a financial conservative and a moral liberal. I don't like to see a govt borrowing way beyond its means but at the same time an individual should be allowed the freedom to do what they please as long as it isn't hurting anyone else. I'm a big believer in personal responsibility, something that has become a foreign concept in Canada. There is no viable party representing my views, either I have to put up with the big spenders if I want personal freedom or the religious zealots if I want financial stability. There is nothing in between.

Good luck America in picking a good president, you are about due for another one soon. :goodluck:


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You are correct, the PC culture and the looney left can thank themselves for the high level of Trump's success.

Like most political movements, the PC culture couldn't take it's victories and call it a day, they had to go to a insane level of reasoning which the general public now finds repulsive.

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Good luck America in picking a good president, you are about due for another one soon. :goodluck:


thanks! it has been a long time since Reagan!


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qman said:
You are correct, the PC culture and the looney left can thank themselves for the high level of Trump's success.

Like most political movements, the PC culture couldn't take it's victories and call it a day, they had to go to a insane level of reasoning which the general public now finds repulsive.


Yes. It's just like evangelicals trying to use whatever political process they can to further ridiculous agendas. The PC regressive culture tries to use university staffers and the political process to stifle free speech, and silence the voice of opposition to their whacky causes. In both cases, it is ridiculous, and creates a swell of animosity.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Still_tripping]
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Still_tripping said:
Firstly I'll have to admit that I'm Canadian so this Trump phenomena dosen't impact me directly, though most Canadians lean to the left so the govt and media are just as aghast at what he says as are your Democrats.

What I'm enjoying seeing is the shock that almost all your politicians are expressing at his behavior. Yet the way I see it is that his popularity is a direct result of the policies of the left. Many people are getting heartily sick of what appears to be constant political correctness to the extreme and have found someone in Trump who will express those feelings of frustration for them. The fact that our govt's, yours and ours (especially ours), keep leaning more and more to the left has, at least in the US so far, created a backlash to the right.

I'm not saying that Trump would make a good president, he does seem to be a bit of a loose cannon but where is there another politician that can adequately represent those on the right, there isn't one. What's needed is a middle of the road type who expresses common sense in his/her policies without either being socialist or fascist, but does have the guts to stand up to politically correct idiocy. The trouble is that the left denigrates anyone who dosen't toe the party line. For instance we have an openly gay premier in the province of Ontario who has stated that anyone who dosen't agree with her is a homophobe, a racist, and/or a zenophobe. (That's ok you should hear what I call her  :cuteshit: )

Another problem is that the right is not a homogeneous group. I for instance consider myself a financial conservative and a moral liberal. I don't like to see a govt borrowing way beyond its means but at the same time an individual should be allowed the freedom to do what they please as long as it isn't hurting anyone else. I'm a big believer in personal responsibility, something that has become a foreign concept in Canada. There is no viable party representing my views, either I have to put up with the big spenders if I want personal freedom or the religious zealots if I want financial stability. There is nothing in between.

Good luck America in picking a good president, you are about due for another one soon. :goodluck:


The religious zealots are the big spenders, due to their unique affinity for war. Republicans outspend democrats, generally speaking.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
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Good luck America in picking a good president, you are about due for another one soon. :goodluck:


thanks! it has been a long time since Reagan!


I thought that was spelled "Ray Gun"?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
The religious zealots are the big spenders, due to their unique affinity for war. Republicans outspend democrats, generally speaking.


You maybe right there. In Canada military spending is a joke and is used primarily to give young Quebecers something to do beyond unemployment. It is the left in Canada that wastes tons on money on hairbrained schemes while at the same time trying to do everything they can to impede the economy's financial success. This global warming love-in is a prime example. Canada will have to cut is emissions just to make up for the carbon footprint of flying everyone and their uncle to Europe for a gab fest that itself will do nothing but redistribute global wealth. Future generations are going to wonder how we could collectively get something as important as global climate change so wrong.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Still_tripping]
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Still_tripping said:
Bigbadwooof said:
The religious zealots are the big spenders, due to their unique affinity for war. Republicans outspend democrats, generally speaking.


You maybe right there. In Canada military spending is a joke and is used primarily to give young Quebecers something to do beyond unemployment. It is the left in Canada that wastes tons on money on hairbrained schemes while at the same time trying to do everything they can to impede the economy's financial success. This global warming love-in is a prime example. Canada will have to cut is emissions just to make up for the carbon footprint of flying everyone and their uncle to Europe for a gab fest that itself will do nothing but redistribute global wealth. Future generations are going to wonder how we could collectively get something as important as global climate change so wrong.


Spot on!

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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but at least dipshits are gonna make pot legal...ya, consolation prize. =\

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Still_tripping]
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ahh right, so this is what we are facing... is climate change not real then?

can you point out some of the hairbrained schemes youre talking about?


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So this is fake?  2014 was tied as the hottest year on record and 2015 is forecast to be even hotter?  (sorry for the hard to read graph - it looks better on the website I pulled it from).


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:


So this is fake?  2014 was tied as the hottest year on record and 2015 is forecast to be even hotter?  (sorry for the hard to read graph - it looks better on the website I pulled it from).



nah mate, just a conspiracy - from a broad consensus of scientists from all nations who want to just be mean to oil cartels who happen to wield great power globally. if climate change were true, then why do my toes get cold sometimes?:rofl:

come on @still tripping, even America has accepted this is a thing now, even oil companies said they realised in the 80s this was a thing. not that anything is gona happen.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Still_tripping]
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Still_tripping said:
Bigbadwooof said:
The religious zealots are the big spenders, due to their unique affinity for war. Republicans outspend democrats, generally speaking.


You maybe right there. In Canada military spending is a joke and is used primarily to give young Quebecers something to do beyond unemployment. It is the left in Canada that wastes tons on money on hairbrained schemes while at the same time trying to do everything they can to impede the economy's financial success. This global warming love-in is a prime example. Canada will have to cut is emissions just to make up for the carbon footprint of flying everyone and their uncle to Europe for a gab fest that itself will do nothing but redistribute global wealth. Future generations are going to wonder how we could collectively get something as important as global climate change so wrong.


I don't think a single one of you understood what he was saying. I'll take a shot at interpreting (correct me if I'm wrong). He's saying that people in Canada produce a lot of excess CO2 flying back and forth from Europe. They are getting climate change wrong by creating a massive carbon footprint.

I think right and left-wing politics are quite a bit different in Canada (and the rest of the world, for that matter), than America.

HU, do you realize that Obama has kept tax rates at Reagan levels throughout his entire time in office? Are you aware that more of Reagan's staffers received criminal charges for corruption than Nixon's? Reagan and Obama would have seen eye to eye on most issues, I would argue (If Obama wasn't black, that is).

What's all this garbage about Reagan. I can't think of one thing he did to raise himself up onto such a pedestal.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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i'm not sure he was saying that about climate change but i would be willing to accept i misunderstood if i did, hence i asked if he thought climate change was fake. its not all too clear what he is saying.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Still_tripping]
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Still_tripping said:
It is the left in Canada that wastes tons on money on hairbrained schemes while at the same time trying to do everything they can to impede the economy's financial success. This global warming love-in is a prime example.


This sounds like he doesn't believe in Climate Change.


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Canada will have to cut is emissions just to make up for the carbon footprint of flying everyone and their uncle to Europe for a gab fest... Future generations are going to wonder how we could collectively get something as important as global climate change so wrong.


This sounds like he does lmao... Especially the emboldened part.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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even left wingers are finally starting to admit the climate change "hoax"

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/03/17/1731591/the-dangerous-myth-that-climate-change-is-reversible/

this piece still insists on bankrupting everyone, but at least they are starting to admit that we have little to no power in reversing it

the simple fact is the climate is changing, it always has, it always will, the idea that we have to bankrupt ourselves trying to stop it is silly


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
even left wingers are finally starting to admit the climate change "hoax"

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/03/17/1731591/the-dangerous-myth-that-climate-change-is-reversible/

this piece still insists on bankrupting everyone, but at least they are starting to admit that we have little to no power in reversing it

the simple fact is the climate is changing, it always has, it always will, the idea that we have to bankrupt ourselves trying to stop it is silly


They didn't call it a hoax.

You don't even think climate change is a hoax lmao!


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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suppose i should clarify, man made climate change is a HOAX, the idea we can stop it is a HOAX, the idea we should bankrupt ourselves to reverse it is a HOAX

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
suppose i should clarify, man made climate change is a HOAX, the idea we can stop it is a HOAX, the idea we should bankrupt ourselves to reverse it is a HOAX

better?


Well, the article doesn't support that claim.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
suppose i should clarify, man made climate change is a HOAX, the idea we can stop it is a HOAX, the idea we should bankrupt ourselves to reverse it is a HOAX

better?


we are already well past reversing it now, it is way too late for that. that has been established. but things can be done to limit the damage. thats about it.. but it looks like we aren't even going to do that.

if man made climate change is a hoax to bankrupt ourselves. why has nothing been done on it? how would it be bankrupting ourselves to significantly reduce fossil fuel use?

surely there are important power relations here, the industries that block this. as i said even oil companies have been shown to have known about the relationship between fossil fuels and climate change..

even if you disbelieve climate change, it makes sense to move away from the fossil fuel industries to clean renewable energy.

anyway look like the thread has been jacked.

but i should just let people know that there are 496,341 signatures for the uk petition asking for Trump to be banned from entering the UK.


LOL


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
but i should just let people know that there are 496,341 signatures for the uk petition asking for Trump to be banned from entering the UK.


LOL


good for them, they like to censor free speech, so does canada, both have become hostile toward american interests in recent years, mostly because of obama in the case of the UK,

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
hostileuniverse said:
Sulfurshelfsean said:
The man has openly stated that he doesn't mind taking away some rights in exhcangw for security.And his people followers cheered! Sounds pretty hitler-ly to me...


When have we ever NOT given up rights for security?

you a sanders supporter? Did you know hitler was for unions, national healthcare, "gun control"? Sound familiar?


You're absolutely right, Hitler had a few good ideas. And just to note the whole gun control thing was mainly aimed at Jewish people and others deemed " non desirables" by his regime.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gun_control_theory



Hitler Jumpstarted the economy
Put people to work
Rebuilt roads


He did alot of good things


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Tipote said:
but i should just let people know that there are 496,341 signatures for the uk petition asking for Trump to be banned from entering the UK.

LOL


Wow, that's funny! You can derail my thread. I think we've already hashed it out. Donald Trump is clearly a symbol of Fascism in the modern era. :wink:

KnyggaPlease said:
Hitler Jumpstarted the economy
Put people to work
Rebuilt roads

He did alot of good things


Hitler promised to make Germany great again, and in many ways, he did :wink:

Sound familiar?

At the end of the day, not a single one of us wants Hitler running America, I would hope.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Tipote said:
but i should just let people know that there are 496,341 signatures for the uk petition asking for Trump to be banned from entering the UK.

LOL


Wow, that's funny! You can derail my thread. I think we've already hashed it out. Donald Trump is clearly a symbol of Fascism in the modern era. :wink:

KnyggaPlease said:
Hitler Jumpstarted the economy
Put people to work
Rebuilt roads

He did alot of good things


Hitler promised to make Germany great again, and in many ways, he did :wink:

Sound familiar?

At the end of the day, not a single one of us wants Hitler running America, I would hope.


"When you've got no facts, break out hitler" wasnt there a study done that concluded most internet discussions on politics usually devolve into one side or the other comparing someone to hitler?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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i wonder how many times Hitler was used as a comparison to Obama, by a conservative.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:


So this is fake?  2014 was tied as the hottest year on record and 2015 is forecast to be even hotter?  (sorry for the hard to read graph - it looks better on the website I pulled it from).


It isn't the climate change I was referring to it is the totally useless carbon trading schemes which in Canada are nothing but a tax and to the UN is nothing but income redistribution between countries. These efforts will do nothing to solve the climate change problem. That's what we will have gotten "so wrong".


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
Bigbadwooof said:
Tipote said:
but i should just let people know that there are 496,341 signatures for the uk petition asking for Trump to be banned from entering the UK.

LOL


Wow, that's funny! You can derail my thread. I think we've already hashed it out. Donald Trump is clearly a symbol of Fascism in the modern era. :wink:

KnyggaPlease said:
Hitler Jumpstarted the economy
Put people to work
Rebuilt roads

He did alot of good things


Hitler promised to make Germany great again, and in many ways, he did :wink:

Sound familiar?

At the end of the day, not a single one of us wants Hitler running America, I would hope.


"When you've got no facts, break out hitler" wasnt there a study done that concluded most internet discussions on politics usually devolve into one side or the other comparing someone to hitler?


We're talking about Fascism, so I think Hitler is quite relevant to the discussion.  When you have no argument, you say shit like your post to derail the conversation. Clearly quite effectively.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Still_tripping]
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Still_tripping said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:


So this is fake?  2014 was tied as the hottest year on record and 2015 is forecast to be even hotter?  (sorry for the hard to read graph - it looks better on the website I pulled it from).


It isn't the climate change I was referring to it is the totally useless carbon trading schemes which in Canada are nothing but a tax and to the UN is nothing but income redistribution between countries. These efforts will do nothing to solve the climate change problem. That's what we will have gotten "so wrong".


I don't see how that will have aa negative impact on future generations.We'd only be preserving fossil fuels for them (A limitted resource)


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We're talking about Fascism, so I think Hitler is quite relevant to the discussion.  When you have no argument, you say shit like your post to derail the conversation. Clearly quite effectively.


Funny you should say that, because the ONLY American president that has done anything like hitler did was a progressive liberal DEMOCRAT. And now of course the democrats want to disarm us, just like hitler did


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When did hitler disarm us?


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Enlil said:
When did hitler disarm us?


Tipote said:





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Enlil said:
When did hitler disarm us?


Lolz... We disarmed HIM BWAHAAHAHAASDAFIjksadfkjladfkljaf;,ld

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http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/12/11/aclu-board-member-resigns-after-urging-people-to-kill-supporters-of-trump/

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The post states, “The thing is, we have to really reach out to those who might consider voting for Trump and say, ‘This is Goebbels. This is the final solution. If you are voting for him I will have to shoot you before Election Day.’ They’re not going to listen to reason, so when justice is gone, there’s always force…”


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Fern Delise, 54, of Fountain was arrested after police say she called Planned Parenthood saying, “It’s tempting to walk into a republican party meeting with my dead husband’s gun and just start shooting people.”


this is what liberalism is coming to, its pretty sad when they know they can't win on ideas so they want to win through killing people???

I really hope the police have disarmed this nutcase

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hostileuniverse said:
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Fern Delise, 54, of Fountain was arrested after police say she called Planned Parenthood saying, “It’s tempting to walk into a republican party meeting with my dead husband’s gun and just start shooting people.”


this is what liberalism is coming to, its pretty sad when they know they can't win on ideas so they want to win through killing people???


No. 

This is what Fern Delise, 54, of Fountain is coming to.  I really hope you're not stupid enough to really believe what you just said.

hostileuniverse said:
I really hope the police have disarmed this nutcase


So do all liberals.  We've been calling for gun control against nutcases for years now.  :hi5:


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So do all liberals.  We've been calling for gun control against nutcases for years now.


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hostileuniverse said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
So do all liberals.  We've been calling for gun control against nutcases for years now.


is that why they sold guns to mexican drug lords?


Are you now saying that conservatives WANT gun control for nutcases?

And who is "they"?  The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)?  And what do "they" have to do with gun control for nutcases???

Mod Edit:  Unnecessary attack on the person.

hostileuniverse said:
it would seem the only ones liberals want to disarm are law abiding citizens here in america




Another straw man?  Can you please come out of your kindeegarten fantasy world and discuss reality for just ONE post?  Liberals aren't trying to take people's guns away.  We're trying to do what you now seem to agree with - take guns away from criminals and nutcases.

Are we in agreement on gun control now?


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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
hostileuniverse said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
So do all liberals.  We've been calling for gun control against nutcases for years now.


is that why they sold guns to mexican drug lords?


Are you now saying that conservatives WANT gun control for nutcases?

And who is "they"?  The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)?  And what do "they" have to do with gun control for nutcases???

Mod Edit:  Unnecessary attack on the person.

hostileuniverse said:
it would seem the only ones liberals want to disarm are law abiding citizens here in america




Another straw man?  Can you please come out of your kindeegarten fantasy world and discuss reality for just ONE post?  Liberals aren't trying to take people's guns away.  We're trying to do what you now seem to agree with - take guns away from criminals and nutcases.

Are we in agreement on gun control now?


no, liberals want to take guns away from everyone, because that's "fair" they have no interest in focusing on the terrorists or the ones who are most likely to do damage with guns,

have you ever noticed most mass shooting happen in "gun free zones"? thats the liberal answer to it, disarm everyone, yet, it doesn't stop the shootings, it just makes the innocent sitting ducks when they happen


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
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It's clear you simply can't accept reality.  It's all a straw man fantasy for you - you make up what the other side believes and don't let them tell you what they believe.  I'm done.


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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
It's clear you simply can't accept reality.  It's all a straw man fantasy for you - you make up what the other side believes and don't let them tell you what they believe.  I'm done.


its not made up, its reality, you are ONE liberal, you don't decide policy and you sure as hell can't speak for the rest of them.

I love it when I hear libs say, 'I don't agree with this that or the other" then they vote for the idiots who institute policies they claim to oppose, because, at least theyre  not republicans, lol


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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man, please, for the love of god - change your avatar to this..




i wont take away your guns if you do!!!


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hostileuniverse said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
It's clear you simply can't accept reality.  It's all a straw man fantasy for you - you make up what the other side believes and don't let them tell you what they believe.  I'm done.


its not made up, its reality, you are ONE liberal, you don't decide policy and you sure as hell can't speak for the rest of them.


I haven't heard any liberals here arguing with my points about liberalism, but many of them have told you to stop your straw man arguments.  You're just ONE person yourself, and you've clearly demonstrated that you know FAR less about liberals than liberals do, so PLEASE STOP THE STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS.

hostileuniverse said:
I love it when I hear libs say, 'I don't agree with this that or the other" then they vote for the idiots who institute policies they claim to oppose, because, at least theyre  not republicans, lol


So by that logic, you either agree with 100% of Bush's policies, or you're voting Democrat next time.  Right?


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I assume you're trying to beat the devil's logic out of lds still?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Nah, I'm pretty sure HU will never fully appreciate logical debate.  I simply want to ensure others don't fall for the errors in his logic.  :smirk:


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Oh I forgot I :nignored: him as well :lol:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: The Ecstatic]
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no, but seriously, the thing is -- guns.

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As an animal lover, this is one area where I've always found common ground with most liberals, maybe this will help them realize the truth about the people they are so eager to import


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A chilling report issued by the Main Intelligence Directorate General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) is warning today that the pet dogs and puppies of American owners have now become “targets for death” after the Islamic State’s (ISIS/ISIL/Daesh) top religious scholar, Turki al-Bin‘ali, issued a fatwa authorizing the immediate mass slaughter of these beloved animals by their terrorist supporters currently residing in the United States.


http://www.eutimes.net/2015/12/isis-issues-fatwa-calling-for-mass-killing-of-american-dogs-and-puppies/


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
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hostileuniverse said:
As an animal lover, this is one area where I've always found common ground with most liberals, maybe this will help them realize the truth about the people they are so eager to import


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A chilling report issued by the Main Intelligence Directorate General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) is warning today that the pet dogs and puppies of American owners have now become “targets for death” after the Islamic State’s (ISIS/ISIL/Daesh) top religious scholar, Turki al-Bin‘ali, issued a fatwa authorizing the immediate mass slaughter of these beloved animals by their terrorist supporters currently residing in the United States.


http://www.eutimes.net/2015/12/isis-issues-fatwa-calling-for-mass-killing-of-american-dogs-and-puppies/


:lmafo:

What the fuck? lol


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http://www.snopes.com/isis-fatwa-kill-puppies


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
http://www.snopes.com/isis-fatwa-kill-puppies


Well, in that case, let them all in, as long as theyre just killing humans and not our doggies, I'm cool with it

I suppose  this one is fake too

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frenchrevolution/2015/12/13/oregonians-beat-trump-pinata-scream-i-want-to-kill-him-you-wont-believe-why/

It's too bad libs aren't as tolerant of trump as they are of radical Muslims...


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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I'm tolerant of all of the above, but I'm not a liberal, so I guess that has no bearing on your statement.

For me, it's about freedom.  Trump should be free to spew his hatred just like radical muslims should be.  The marketplace of ideas needs all kinds, and the wider a message spreads, the more likely it is that the message will show its weaknesses.

Terrorist attacks are going to happen.  That's the reality.  Taking away people's freedom isn't the solution.  A ban on muslims entering the country would be ineffective because there is no blood test to determine who is and isn't a muslim.  Any ban would rely on self-identification, and the only muslims that would self-identify are the ones that aren't interested in fucking shit up over here.  Terrorists would simply lie.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Enlil]
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Terrorist attacks are going to happen.  That's the reality.  Taking away people's freedom isn't the solution.  A ban on muslims entering the country would be ineffective because there is no blood test to determine who is and isn't a muslim.  Any ban would rely on self-identification, and the only muslims that would self-identify are the ones that aren't interested in fucking shit up over here.  Terrorists would simply lie.


So you're saying there's no way to stop or even curtail Muslim terrorism? We should just accept it?

I'm genuinely not sure what your point is:shrug:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
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The way to reduce muslim terrorism is by addressing the underlying motivations behind it.  The U.S. is a target largely because of our meddling in the affairs of other sovereign nations in the middle east.  We need to stop that. 

Of course, that won't end it immediately.  After all, we have been killing muslims for a long time, and for every muslim we kill, we leave behind loved ones, all of whom hate us and some of whom are willing to attack us.  It will take time for the process to take effect.

The reality, however, is that one cannot fight terrorism by killing more people.  Muslim terrorists are not deterred by the threat of death.  Quite to the contrary, death is part of the ultimate goal. 

In the meantime, terrorist acts are part of the cost of freedom, and it's a cost I'm more than willing to pay in order not to become exactly the kind of oppressive regime we accuse the caliphates of being.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Enlil]
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You know you fucked up when you believe something that leads to you thinking death is the ultimate goal. lol.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: circastes]
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Well, yeah, but all religious people are fucked up.  Irrationality works like that, and belief in mystical sky wizards is pretty much the definition of irrational.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Enlil]
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The way to reduce muslim terrorism is by addressing the underlying motivations behind it.  The U.S. is a target largely because of our meddling in the affairs of other sovereign nations in the middle


Like what? Defending Kuwait? Buying oil from the Saudis?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Well, yeah, but all religious people are fucked up.  Irrationality works like that, and belief in mystical sky wizards is pretty much the definition of irrational.


ahem...space wizard, not sky wizard. Genesis makes a distinction between the dome of the sky(firmament) and space (the deep).

also,

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: ballsalsa]
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Mulims kill disabled children, but yeah, Trumps the bad guy:rolleyes:

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This hits so close to home for me. I hate ISIS now more than ever, and I hate that the Obama administration isn’t taking the threat seriously. ISIS is literally slaughtering disabled children, and Obama’s answer? A freaking climate change conference


http://m.nydailynews.com/news/world/isil-issues-fatwa-exterminate-disabled-children-article-1.2465848

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/705664

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3358840/How-depraved-ISIS-Group-s-Sharia-judges-order-children-s-syndrome-disabilities-killed-chilling-echo-Nazis.html

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/12/14/islamic-state-issues-fatwa-children-syndrome-murders-38-disabled-infants/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-issues-order-killing-children-7004891

But of course, snopes and other liberal outlets can't "confirm" it, so it's probably made up:rolleyes:

http://www.snopes.com/isis-killing-babies-syndrome/

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Christians kill people getting perfectly legal abortions. So what? Also http://www.snopes.com/isis-killing-babies-syndrome/snopes says this claim is unverified and I believe it, they're way more credible than the right wing propaganda outlets. Stop trying to generalize Muslims.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
Christians kill people getting perfectly legal abortions. So what? Also http://www.snopes.com/isis-killing-babies-syndrome/snopes says this claim is unverified and I believe it, they're way more credible than the right wing propaganda outlets. Stop trying to generalize Muslims.


So... Liberal media good, conservative media bad...

And where in my post did I condone killing abortion providers? Try to stay on topic :picard:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Did I say you said such a thing? I'm just making a generalization about Christians  equal to the generalization you made about Muslims. Religious people are scary. And I watch you cherry pick your facts and spout " that's a libtard source" all the time, so yes. Rush Limbaugh: bad source. Breitbart: Bad source. Faux News: absolutely ridiculous source akin to The Onion news...


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
Did I say you said such a thing? I'm just making a generalization about Christians  equal to the generalization you made about Muslims. Religious people are scary. And I watch you cherry pick your facts and spout " that's a libtard source" all the time, so yes. Rush Limbaugh: bad source. Breitbart: Bad source. Faux News: absolutely ridiculous source akin to The Onion news...


It would be more accurate to make generalizations about Christians with their charity work, hard work ethic and general kindness towards others. Did you know most Christians vote democrat? Thereby supporting the abortion industry? Kinda throws your theory into the puddle, doesn't it?

If you're only gonna read liberal media, then yes, you're only gonna get liberal viewpoints. Is it my fault the liberal media refuses to report these stories???

Did you know the liberal media even tried to blame "post partum depression" for the San Bernardino shootings?

Even now, in light of the Boston bombers and the fact the San Bernadino shooters also had bombs, they only want to focus on "gun control". Fact is, even banning and confiscating all guns won't stop the Muslim terrorists.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/083115-768970-more-than-half-support-mandatory-deportation-of-illegal-immigrants-poll-finds.htm

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
The way to reduce muslim terrorism is by addressing the underlying motivations behind it.  The U.S. is a target largely because of our meddling in the affairs of other sovereign nations in the middle east.  We need to stop that. 

Of course, that won't end it immediately.  After all, we have been killing muslims for a long time, and for every muslim we kill, we leave behind loved ones, all of whom hate us and some of whom are willing to attack us.  It will take time for the process to take effect.

The reality, however, is that one cannot fight terrorism by killing more people.  Muslim terrorists are not deterred by the threat of death.  Quite to the contrary, death is part of the ultimate goal. 

In the meantime, terrorist acts are part of the cost of freedom, and it's a cost I'm more than willing to pay in order not to become exactly the kind of oppressive regime we accuse the caliphates of being.


Bloody well said :cheers:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
Sulfurshelfsean said:
Also http://www.snopes.com/isis-killing-babies-syndrome/snopes says this claim is unverified and I believe it, they're way more credible than the right wing propaganda outlets.


So... Liberal media good, conservative media bad...


No, you missed the point entirely.

Liberal media won't report unverified news, conservative media do it all the time.  That's the point.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Depends on what you mean when you say liberal media.

CNN has a god awful verification process most of the time. Remember when they reported ISIS was at a pride parade because there was a flag with dildos on it that resembled Arabic letters? lol.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Do you think CNN is liberal?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
hostileuniverse said:
Sulfurshelfsean said:
Also http://www.snopes.com/isis-killing-babies-syndrome/snopes says this claim is unverified and I believe it, they're way more credible than the right wing propaganda outlets.


So... Liberal media good, conservative media bad...


No, you missed the point entirely.

Liberal media won't report unverified news, conservative media do it all the time.  That's the point.


What he said^


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Okay, just ignore the big fucking elephant in the room, radical Mulims are threatening people and killing women, children and goats everyday, but hey, as long as the liberal media pretends it don't exist, all is well with the world:cookiemonster:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Oh now you decide to distinguish between the radical Muslims and just Muslims...Radical Christians have done more terror attacks in the US than Muslims...I'm not scared. People are way too scared these days...


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hostileuniverse said:
radical Mulims are threatening people and killing women, children and goats everyday, but hey, as long as the liberal media pretends it don't exist, all is well with the world


No one in this thread has expressed an opinion that even remotely resembles what you just said. You have used this rhetoric repeatedly, and it's utterly ridiculous:

"Lets pretend my opponents have batshit crazy ideas and then mock their stupidity base on these ideas" :cookiemonster:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
Sulfurshelfsean said:
Did I say you said such a thing? I'm just making a generalization about Christians  equal to the generalization you made about Muslims. Religious people are scary. And I watch you cherry pick your facts and spout " that's a libtard source" all the time, so yes. Rush Limbaugh: bad source. Breitbart: Bad source. Faux News: absolutely ridiculous source akin to The Onion news...


It would be more accurate to make generalizations about Christians with their charity work, hard work ethic and general kindness towards others. Did you know most Christians vote democrat? Thereby supporting the abortion industry? Kinda throws your theory into the puddle, doesn't it?

If you're only gonna read liberal media, then yes, you're only gonna get liberal viewpoints. Is it my fault the liberal media refuses to report these stories???

Did you know the liberal media even tried to blame "post partum depression" for the San Bernardino shootings?

Even now, in light of the Boston bombers and the fact the San Bernadino shooters also had bombs, they only want to focus on "gun control". Fact is, even banning and confiscating all guns won't stop the Muslim terrorists.


I try and read into both sides of the equation. Sensationalist breitbart is a tabloid at best used to stoke the fear driven. One of their " stories" right now is about prayer shaming.

Here's.a video of some prayer shaming:


I find it hilarious that the right hates political correctness, but saying that prayer doesn't help prevent mass shootings is a big pc no no for them...


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Well, yeah, but all religious people are fucked up.  Irrationality works like that, and belief in mystical sky wizards is pretty much the definition of irrational.



No Religion that I know of teaches belief in any sky wizards, nice straw man.

Perhaps before you reject an idea you should first make sure you have even a slight idea what it's about.


Making up straw man arguments is irrational, the irony.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
Oh now you decide to distinguish between the radical Muslims and just Muslims...Radical Christians have done more terror attacks in the US than Muslims...I'm not scared. People are way too scared these days...


Maybe because there's 40 times more Christians than Muslims in the US today.

Either way, there's not point in being scared of domestic terrorism, it's more rational to be scared of the violent gangs in the US that are mainly composed of black and Hispanic males.

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hostileuniverse said:
Quote:
The way to reduce muslim terrorism is by addressing the underlying motivations behind it.  The U.S. is a target largely because of our meddling in the affairs of other sovereign nations in the middle


Like what? Defending Kuwait? Buying oil from the Saudis?


Not buying oil. Certainly gulf war one, gulf war two, overthrow of Iran and putting the shah in power, numerous drone strikes...

Believe it or not, for people in those countries, that shit gets annoying...


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Shins said:
Enlil said:
Well, yeah, but all religious people are fucked up.  Irrationality works like that, and belief in mystical sky wizards is pretty much the definition of irrational.



No Religion that I know of teaches belief in any sky wizards, nice straw man.

Perhaps before you reject an idea you should first make sure you have even a slight idea what it's about.


Making up straw man arguments is irrational, the irony.


God created eve out of Adams rib? Sounds like necromancy to me bro.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Malkuthian said:
hostileuniverse said:
radical Mulims are threatening people and killing women, children and goats everyday, but hey, as long as the liberal media pretends it don't exist, all is well with the world


No one in this thread has expressed an opinion that even remotely resembles what you just said. You have used this rhetoric repeatedly, and it's utterly ridiculous:

"Lets pretend my opponents have batshit crazy ideas and then mock their stupidity base on these ideas" :cookiemonster:


That's what he does.  Post after post.  That why they call him the straw man king!!!



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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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with bull penis umbrella.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
The way to reduce muslim terrorism is by addressing the underlying motivations behind it.  The U.S. is a target largely because of our meddling in the affairs of other sovereign nations in the middle east.  We need to stop that. 

Of course, that won't end it immediately.  After all, we have been killing muslims for a long time, and for every muslim we kill, we leave behind loved ones, all of whom hate us and some of whom are willing to attack us.  It will take time for the process to take effect.

The reality, however, is that one cannot fight terrorism by killing more people.  Muslim terrorists are not deterred by the threat of death.  Quite to the contrary, death is part of the ultimate goal. 

In the meantime, terrorist acts are part of the cost of freedom, and it's a cost I'm more than willing to pay in order not to become exactly the kind of oppressive regime we accuse the caliphates of being.


good post! :thumbup:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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also i thought this might be interesting for some people. its attempts to explain the rise of Daesh in one sentence....

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153373408706939/


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
there's not point in being scared of domestic terrorism, it's more rational to be scared of the violent gangs in the US that are mainly composed of black and Hispanic males.


I agree with qman in that you should be more scared of violent gangs than terrorists.  Though I'm not clear why you should "be scared of the violent gangs in the US that are mainly composed of black and Hispanic males."  I'd be scared of any violent gangs.  :shrug:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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ahhh falcon, well said!

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Falcon is misrepresenting the argument again.  Qman said that most gangs are made of blacks and Hispanics, which is true,  not to be scared of only black and Hispanic gangs.  Guess falcon is just trying to dishonestly sidestep the fact that gangs are mostly made of blacks and Hispanics.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Shins] * 1
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Shins said:
Falcon is misrepresenting the argument again.  Qman said that most gangs are made of blacks and Hispanics, which is true,  not to be scared of only black and Hispanic gangs.  Guess falcon is just trying to dishonestly sidestep the fact that gangs are mostly made of blacks and Hispanics.



no... falcon even quoted qman. That is not misrepresenting the argument. qman just has a fixation on black/hispanic/muslims.

qman could have just said

"it's more rational to be scared of the violent gangs in the US"

it wasnt disputed that gangs are largely hispanic or black


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Falcon was being intentionally obtuse.  It was quite clear what Qman meant to say.  Falcon was trying to be clever with Qman's gammar error.

That's what we call a red herring.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
Enlil said:
Well, yeah, but all religious people are fucked up.  Irrationality works like that, and belief in mystical sky wizards is pretty much the definition of irrational.



No Religion that I know of teaches belief in any sky wizards, nice straw man.

Perhaps before you reject an idea you should first make sure you have even a slight idea what it's about.


Making up straw man arguments is irrational, the irony.


sky wizards is an adjective for god? ya know the idea that a lot of religions believe that a creator lives up above? that's not a straw man argument?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
It was quite clear what Qman meant to say.  Falcon was trying to be clever with Qman's gammar error.

That's what we call a red herring.


Actually, adding "mainly composed of black and Hispanic males" was the red herring.  It is completely irrelevant to the point.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: airclay]
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airclay said:
Shins said:
Enlil said:
Well, yeah, but all religious people are fucked up.  Irrationality works like that, and belief in mystical sky wizards is pretty much the definition of irrational.



No Religion that I know of teaches belief in any sky wizards, nice straw man.

Perhaps before you reject an idea you should first make sure you have even a slight idea what it's about.


Making up straw man arguments is irrational, the irony.


sky wizards is an adjective for god? ya know the idea that a lot of religions believe that a creator lives up above? that's not a straw man argument?


Sky wizard is not an accurate synonym for "God," it's intentionally demeaning and contemptuous in fact.  Most religions don't teach that the god or gods live in the sky above, but more like on a higher plane of existence above our own.  They are said to be a "higher power" they aren't literally higher in altitude up in the sky.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Shins]
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adjective does not mean "accurate synonym" and usually is used to suit the taste of the one speaking


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: airclay]
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Sky wizard isn't an accurate adjective either.  It shows an infantile level of knowledge and respect for the subject.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Shins] * 1
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I have no respect for people who believe in fairytales.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Shins]
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sure from your perspective but, definitely not from mine. can you really say that an adjective (like I pointed out above is usually used to suit the taste of the speaker) is inaccurate? I think not. that is purely up to the speaker. you could say you're offended or that you disagree? but not that the speaker is incorrectly identifying their feelings on the subject.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Shins] * 1
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Let's use your post to show the same idea.

Shins said:
It shows an infantile level of knowledge and respect for the subject.


You've used the adj infantile. In the manner you've used infantile here I would completely disagree. However that does not mean that you've incorrectly identified your feelings on the subject.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
I have no respect for people who believe in fairytales.


The genre of Fiction has absolutely no value at all?

Educational children's books use imaginary stories characters, therefore have no value?  There's no value in metaphor, anecdote, or literary device of any kind in teaching and learning?

Religion doesn't necessarily equate to believing in fairy tales.  There are things fairy tales can teach you, it's often called "the moral of the story."  You can learn certain things from fairy tales without actually fully "believing" them literally.  Same is true for religion and philosophy.  Being able to separate the two takes a higher form of thinking, believers and nonbelievers alike often fail to think on the level.  That's where a lot of the problem lays.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Shins]
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yeah not when those fairy tales are used to wage war or oppress folks, ya know like the entire history of human religion.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: airclay]
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airclay said:
yeah not when those fairy tales are used to wage war or oppress folks, ya know like the entire history of human religion.


That's not the entire history of religion.

That's actually the history of Government you were thinking of.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
airclay said:
yeah not when those fairy tales are used to wage war or oppress folks, ya know like the entire history of human religion.


That's not the entire history of religion.

That's actually the history of Government you were thinking of.


Let me know when in human history they haven't been one in the same or linked in some fashion.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: airclay]
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No wonder religion sucks, it's run by the government.

Religion is abused for sure, worse of which by governments and military.  I still think it has some value.  I don't think it's right to judge only by its worst elements and abuses.  There are many "believers" who feel the same way.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Enlil said:
The way to reduce muslim terrorism is by addressing the underlying motivations behind it.  The U.S. is a target largely because of our meddling in the affairs of other sovereign nations in the middle east.  We need to stop that. 

Of course, that won't end it immediately.  After all, we have been killing muslims for a long time, and for every muslim we kill, we leave behind loved ones, all of whom hate us and some of whom are willing to attack us.  It will take time for the process to take effect.

The reality, however, is that one cannot fight terrorism by killing more people.  Muslim terrorists are not deterred by the threat of death.  Quite to the contrary, death is part of the ultimate goal. 

In the meantime, terrorist acts are part of the cost of freedom, and it's a cost I'm more than willing to pay in order not to become exactly the kind of oppressive regime we accuse the caliphates of being.


Excellent post. 100% agree.

I think the only way to fight terrorism is to defeat them on ideological grounds. To assist in women's liberation movements and propagate secular values, etc. Also, trading things other than weapons and oil with them.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
Enlil said:
I have no respect for people who believe in fairytales.


The genre of Fiction has absolutely no value at all?

Educational children's books use imaginary stories characters, therefore have no value?  There's no value in metaphor, anecdote, or literary device of any kind in teaching and learning?

Religion doesn't necessarily equate to believing in fairy tales.  There are things fairy tales can teach you, it's often called "the moral of the story."  You can learn certain things from fairy tales without actually fully "believing" them literally.  Same is true for religion and philosophy.  Being able to separate the two takes a higher form of thinking, believers and nonbelievers alike often fail to think on the level.  That's where a lot of the problem lays.


The tales of holy books are some of the most distasteful literature ever written. For every noble principle there are 10 depictions of the most vile behavior humans can take part in.

I don't think he was referring to children either. Adults believing in fairytales, and basing their lives on them, don't command much respect from intelligent people.

Give me one example of a religion that doesn't involve believing in fairytales. If it includes a god of any sort, or a list of supernatural, unverifiable occurrences, don't bother.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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in holy books, there is never anything but condemnation for violence and stuff...the tales are from thousands and thousands of years ago...people lived in violent times then...think about that.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
in holy books, there is never anything but condemnation for violence


Care to elaborate?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Malkuthian]
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point a: there is violence (& debauchery of all sorts) in the Bible

point b: God - or any of the instructors, prophets, anyone who had eventually - NOTE: eventually - been converted to, so to speak, a "greater understanding of God" (or perhaps was just plain talked to, ie Adam, Eve, Moses ect) -- note the above: Ibid, GOD NOR anyone INVOLVED WITH GOD, contends with violence, nor condones it, nor carries it out. none of the above. they humbly submit.

even in the Quran, the lesson is the same, there is point a: violence & debauchery, and then point b: GOD (nor his followers, so to speak; that is, unless they sin; that is to say, that they regress back to humanities ails) -- i repeat -- God, nor his peeps, aim to debauch or commit to violence.

note: they may have at some point, in the story, in history, but they did not under "God's Will".

note: there are some stipulations here. The Flood, for example, is strictly metaphorical...he feels humans are toiling aimlessly, so he tries to reset the species, in a way, referring to overpopulation; just as there are any metaphors. there is a reason the New Testament was written...Jesus encapsulated a much grander message, while the Old was very legalistic and crude in comparison, despite it being full of metaphors, and similes, and what-not, it simply surrounded the central message (Ten Commandments - Creation Myth ect ect) with lots of historical babble, encoded language...made to be esoteric and all-encompassing...and quite intelligent for the age it was written -- the New, however, has the same problem, thought the central message is more greatly expounded on, though. -- in Islam, it's even more persuasive, and more idyllic, and more legalistic, and more problematic because of these facts...again, leaning away from the more humanist message of the New Testament - nevertheless though, the Quran, neither has a message from God commanding death (unlike the Old Testament where God, literally, comes down and like says shit, to Abraham and shit) -- the Islam essentially is, again, too meaninglessly encoded for most adepts to garner any appreciation for, unless you study it religiously, of course, as they might do in Mecca.

the "laws" are interpretations. that's why Islam is so complicated.

it's as complicated as any of the shizz Buddha spits out.

my end point is this: in the New Testament, nor the Old, God does not command anything -- alot of it is history dictated by some narrator, and that narrator poses said history as prophecy...and alot of it is proven inaccurate, because again, this is a goddamn story we are talking about here. a story.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Malkuthian]
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There's violence in star wars and it's a fairy tale, therefore it has absolutely no value.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Shins]
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exactly.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
There's violence in star wars and it's a fairy tale, therefore it has absolutely no value.


NOW you've gone too far! Star Wars is fucking awesome!


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: akira_akuma]
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I agree on your interpretations of the meaning (with regards to the complete works).

But the facts is that a lot of holy texts that promotes violent act upon wrongdoers.

I would not hold my view of the meaning of the stories as "the true interpretation". Therefor I cannot agree that the books doesn't approve of, or even support, violence. It could if you interpret it one way. But it doesn't have to. Obviously.

If they where simpler texts that said: "violence is the wrong way to go", It would have been easier to say as a fact that they don't support violence. But now I can merely say that I think the don't support violence, even though they are filled with passages with proclamations on how violence should be used against the wrongdoers.

Oh, I just realized this is a thread on Trump :laugh: Sorry.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Malkuthian]
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the promotion of violent acts on wrongdoers is not God's will...God does not come down and say "hey, kill those guys" or anything of the sort...it's merely a narration of events transpiring.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: akira_akuma]
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well, not to throw a monkey wrench into your spokes, but old testament god was supposedly a pretty brutal dude. Some examples:

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Numbers 31 New International Version (NIV)
Vengeance on the Midianites

31 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people.”

3 So Moses said to the people, “Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites so that they may carry out the Lord’s vengeance on them. 4 Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel.” 5 So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. 6 Moses sent them into battle, a thousand from each tribe, along with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, who took with him articles from the sanctuary and the trumpets for signaling.

7 They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho.

13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.

15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.


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Leviticus 20 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

20 (LY: v) Adonai said to Moshe, 2 “Say to the people of Isra’el, ‘If someone from the people of Isra’el or one of the foreigners living in Isra’el sacrifices one of his children to Molekh, he must be put to death; the people of the land are to stone him to death. 3 I too will set myself against him and cut him off from his people, because he has sacrificed his child to Molekh, defiling my sanctuary and profaning my holy name. 4 If the people of the land look the other way when that man sacrifices his child to Molekh and fail to put him to death, 5 then I will set myself against him, his family and everyone who follows him to go fornicating after Molekh, and cut them off from their people.

6 “‘The person who turns to spirit-mediums and sorcerers to go fornicating after them — I will set myself against him and cut him off from his people. 7 Therefore consecrate yourselves — you people must be holy, because I am Adonai your God. (RY: vii, LY: vi) 8 Observe my regulations, and obey them; I am Adonai, who sets you apart to be holy.

9 “‘A person who curses his father or mother must be put to death; having cursed his father or his mother, his blood is on him.

10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, that is, with the wife of a fellow countryman, both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. 11 The man who goes to bed with his father’s wife has disgraced his father sexually, and both of them must be put to death; their blood is on them. 12 If a man goes to bed with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death; they have committed a perversion, and their blood is on them. 13 If a man goes to bed with a man as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they must be put to death; their blood is on them. 14 If a man marries a woman and her mother, it is depravity; they are to be put to death by fire, both he and they, so that there will not be depravity among you. 15 If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you are to kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches an animal and has sexual relations with it, you are to kill the woman and the animal; their blood will be on them. 17 If a man takes his sister, his father’s daughter or his mother’s daughter, and has sexual relations with her, and she consents, it is a shameful thing; they are to be cut off publicly — he has had sexual relations with his sister, and he will bear the consequences of their wrongdoing. 18 If a man goes to bed with a woman in her menstrual period and has sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her blood, and she has exposed the source of her blood; both of them are to be cut off from their people. 19 You are not to have sexual relations with your mother’s sister or your father’s sister; a person who does this has had sexual relations with his close relative; they will bear the consequences of their wrongdoing. 20 If a man goes to bed with his uncle’s wife, he has disgraced his uncle sexually; they will bear the consequences of their sin and die childless. 21 If a man takes his brother’s wife, it is uncleanness; he has disgraced his brother sexually; they will be childless.

22 “‘You are to observe all my regulations and rulings and act on them, so that the land to which I am bringing you will not vomit you out. (LY: vii) 23 Do not live by the regulations of the nation which I am expelling ahead of you; because they did all these things, which is why I detested them. 24 But to you I have said, “You will inherit their land; I will give it to you as a possession, a land flowing with milk and honey.” I am Adonai your God, who has set you apart from other peoples. (Maftir) 25 Therefore you are to distinguish between clean and unclean animals and between clean and unclean birds; do not make yourselves detestable with an animal, bird or reptile that I have set apart for you to regard as unclean. 26 Rather, you people are to be holy for me; because I, Adonai, am holy; and I have set you apart from the other peoples, so that you can belong to me.


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  Leviticus 26 King James Version (KJV)

13 I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.

14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;

15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:

16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.

18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.

19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:

20 And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.

21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.

22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.

23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;

24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.

25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.

26 And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied.

27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;

28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.

30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.

32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.

33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.

34 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.

35 As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it.

36 And upon them that are left alive of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth.

37 And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies.

38 And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.

39 And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them.

40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;

41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:

42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

43 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.

44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the Lord their God.

45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the Lord.


anyways, god even admits to being a hot headed jerk.
examples:

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Exodus 33 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

33 Adonai said to Moshe, “Leave, you and the people you brought up from the land of Egypt; and move on from here toward the land of which I swore to Avraham, Yitz’chak and Ya‘akov, ‘I will give it to your descendants.’ 2 I will send an angel ahead of you; and I will drive out the Kena‘ani, Emori, Hitti, P’rizi, Hivi and Y’vusi. 3 You will go to a land flowing with milk and honey; but I myself will not go with you, because you are such a stiffnecked people that I might destroy you on the way.” 4 When the people heard this bad news, they went into mourning; and no one wore his ornaments. 5 Adonai said to Moshe, “Tell the people of Isra’el, ‘You are a stiffnecked people! If I were to go up with you for even one moment, I would exterminate you! Now, keep your ornaments off; then I will decide what to do to you.’” 6 So from Mount Horev onward, the people of Isra’el stripped themselves of their ornaments.


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  Exodus 34 New International Version (NIV)

6 And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, “The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.”

8 Moses bowed to the ground at once and worshiped. 9 “Lord,” he said, “if I have found favor in your eyes, then let the Lord go with us. Although this is a stiff-necked people, forgive our wickedness and our sin, and take us as your inheritance.”

10 Then the Lord said: “I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the Lord, will do for you. 11 Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles.[a] 14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.


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Leviticus 10 Common English Bible (CEB)

10 Now Nadab and Abihu, two of Aaron’s sons, each took an incense pan. They put fire and incense on them and offered unauthorized fire before the Lord, which he had not commanded them. 2 Then fire flew out from before the Lord and devoured them, and they died before the Lord.

3 Moses said to Aaron, “When the Lord said, ‘I will show that I am holy among those near me, and before all the people I will manifest my glorious presence,’ this is what he meant!” But Aaron was silent.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: ballsalsa]
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well...Genesis, is much nicer,...either way, do you have any New Testament examples?

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
my end point is this: in the New Testament, nor the Old


akira_akuma said:
do you have any New Testament examples?


Also: you spoke about "holy books" not "Christian holy books"...

So what it said in Genesis is not that relevant is it?
But even there interpretations could differ. It's not a clear message.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Malkuthian]
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no one said it was a a clear message...and i still don't see God saying anything in the book...it's just a character. :shrug: as far as i'm concerned God of the Old Testament is a different character than the God of the New, and of Jesus too. all different.

in the Old yea, he might actually command people do horrendous shit, i've only read some things on the internet, and then again, i've read Genesis...i think it's a lot nicer, so far and i've yet to read further...but i'll tell why i came to my conclusions. because i read Genesis translated from the Syriac Pishetta, which is written in Aramaic. it's a wholly different interpretation, more closer to the language of Jesus, and NOT the Rabbi's, and it comes across as much different...maybe that's something i should look into...i've looked into other examples, such as the crashing babies against the rocks...in the Syriac translation, it's alot different. in my translation, it says to the effect of "and we should destroy them and crash their babies on the rocks, FOR WHAT THEY DID TO US", in their lamentations.

reads alot differently...but i'm not scholar, i don't remember where that part is...in my book, i mean, and i don't feel like looking for it. but sometime, i'll be brushing up on it; it's interesting. but  really think the KJV cannot be trusted as a reasonable source for anything study on the subject; it's notoriously mis-translated and fucked.

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Bereshis 1Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)

1 In the beginning Elohim created hashomayim (the heavens, Himel) and haaretz (the earth).

2 And the earth was tohu vavohu (without form, and void); and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the face of the waters.

3 And Elohim said, Let there be light: and there was light [Tehillim 33:6,9].

4 And Elohim saw the light, that it was tov (good); and Elohim divided the ohr (light) from the choshech (darkness).

5 And Elohim called the light Yom (Day), and the darkness He called Lailah (Night). And the erev (evening) and the boker (morning) were Yom Echad (Day One, the First Day, Mk 16:2).

6 And Elohim said, Let there be a raki’a (expanse, dome, firmament) in the midst of the mayim (waters), and let it divide the mayim from the mayim.

7 And Elohim made the raki’a, and divided the waters under the raki’a from the waters which were above the raki’a; and it was so.


i thought that this was strange when i read it a few months back.

notice that the word hashomayim is translated here as "the heavens"
and that it is a variation on the word mayim which is translated here as "waters"

thats the interesting part, the word raki'a translated here as "dome, expanse, firmament" could be more simply translated as "sky" and as such, denotes a clear understanding that there is a place above the sky.  "the waters above the raki'a" is space. "and Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the face of the waters" which leads me to the conclusion the the Hebrew god is a space wizard, and not a sky wizard as Enlil would have you all believe

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: ballsalsa]
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i'd wager that an Eng. trans. of the writings in the Torah, are more useful to a English mind, then trying to read a trans. of the Torah that's more Hebrew, than English, no?

and another thing, i think that the Aramaic translates, perhaps, better to English, than the Hebrew does. :shrug:

and perhaps only if you are adept at Hebrew can you really dig fully into the Torah. :shrug:

personally, i am going to read the best trans. i can find (Willis Barnstone) of the New Testament, which he translates from the Septuagint, the Greek; so so is more accurate given that that is the earliest consolidated canon of the NT.

KVJ and Luther are not fully accurate, i know this for a fact. you have to presume some level of accuracy, and know the limit of said accuracy...you can have better accuracy with a better translation.

if i could read the Latin, i still wouldn't be as accurate...not without devout training; even then, to get the full literal meaning of the words, you'd have to do mad study and interpretation...most people just go one way and keep going because it takes their whole life...i aim to at least enlighten myself a little bit, but not that fucking much...lol, so it's pretty pointless, i guess.  but i really don't think anything is ... so violent as every puts it at, the level of violence, i mean...you know how many people read the Koran? not enough Muslims do...and hardly no one reads the Hadith. do you know the Hadith? it's the writings that influence Islamic thought, and have, for centuries...point is, things can be dialectically adjusted, and laws can be changed, ect ect, and God may say some outlandish things, but it's...a goddamn book. words.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
point a: there is violence (& debauchery of all sorts) in the Bible

point b: God - or any of the instructors, prophets, anyone who had eventually - NOTE: eventually - been converted to, so to speak, a "greater understanding of God" (or perhaps was just plain talked to, ie Adam, Eve, Moses ect) -- note the above: Ibid, GOD NOR anyone INVOLVED WITH GOD, contends with violence, nor condones it, nor carries it out. none of the above. they humbly submit.

even in the Quran, the lesson is the same, there is point a: violence & debauchery, and then point b: GOD (nor his followers, so to speak; that is, unless they sin; that is to say, that they regress back to humanities ails) -- i repeat -- God, nor his peeps, aim to debauch or commit to violence.

note: they may have at some point, in the story, in history, but they did not under "God's Will".

note: there are some stipulations here. The Flood, for example, is strictly metaphorical...he feels humans are toiling aimlessly, so he tries to reset the species, in a way, referring to overpopulation; just as there are any metaphors. there is a reason the New Testament was written...Jesus encapsulated a much grander message, while the Old was very legalistic and crude in comparison, despite it being full of metaphors, and similes, and what-not, it simply surrounded the central message (Ten Commandments - Creation Myth ect ect) with lots of historical babble, encoded language...made to be esoteric and all-encompassing...and quite intelligent for the age it was written -- the New, however, has the same problem, thought the central message is more greatly expounded on, though. -- in Islam, it's even more persuasive, and more idyllic, and more legalistic, and more problematic because of these facts...again, leaning away from the more humanist message of the New Testament - nevertheless though, the Quran, neither has a message from God commanding death (unlike the Old Testament where God, literally, comes down and like says shit, to Abraham and shit) -- the Islam essentially is, again, too meaninglessly encoded for most adepts to garner any appreciation for, unless you study it religiously, of course, as they might do in Mecca.

the "laws" are interpretations. that's why Islam is so complicated.

it's as complicated as any of the shizz Buddha spits out.

my end point is this: in the New Testament, nor the Old, God does not command anything -- alot of it is history dictated by some narrator, and that narrator poses said history as prophecy...and alot of it is proven inaccurate, because again, this is a goddamn story we are talking about here. a story.


The Quran condones the murder of apostates and commands jihad.

In the Bible, God commands all sorts of horrible and violent actions. The plagues of Egypt, for example, kill thousands of people, all of the Egyptian first born children, etc, because the pharoah will not listen to God. In fact, God 'hardens his heart' so he can continue abusing the Egyptian people.

God commanded the Israelites to slaughter the Canaanites. He plagued Job for YEARS because he was gods most faithful servant, and he wanted to prove Job's unrelenting faith. God aided David in killing Goliath. God commanded Abraham to kill his own son. God smote the sodomites. He punished the Israelites with 80 years of misery in the desert for the folly of their leaders. (This one is for animal lovers) He cast demons into innocent pigs and made them run off a cliff.

I could go on and on and ON!

You can cherry pick all you like, and say 'this really happened, that didn't happen, etc', but that is not how the world views these books.

No, the bible is evil, and teaching children that they may just burn in hell for all of eternity is child abuse.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Your first post was not about the old or the new testament, nor was it about what god said. It was about what holy books say:
akira_akuma said:
in holy books, there is never anything but condemnation for violence


This is what I opposed. The statement  "I think god condemns violence in the new testament" is another discussion.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Malkuthian]
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Y'all have really derailed this thread, back to Trump

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Trump is a Nationalist. That is actually a good thing. Most people I speak with are afraid to use the word Nationalism because it has been wrongly linked with National Socialism. Trump will definitely do what is in America's best interests. He loves the country and believes in Capitalism. How can he not work for a better America with those values. Ask yourself this:

Will Trump get tough with Saudi? They are conducting an economic war against us presently.

Will he attempt to do what is necessary to stop illegal immigration? Americans go back to work. Illegals only pick 2% of our crops. They do however dominate the construction business. Putting our people out of work because they cant survive on the pay the illegals receive.

Will America become business friendly again under Trump?

Trump wants a moratorium on muslims entering our country until we can figure out how to insure that the bad guys arent coming in. What can be wrong with that? Who cares if it upsets the other countries. Our safety is more important than their feelings. Plus, no one is bringing up the fact that obama placed a moratorium on gulf drilling after ONE incident. Trump is asking for one after numerous incidents.

I do not see him getting us into WW3 by talking the way he does. Neither Russia, China nor America wants that. He will be tough with the people of the world that work against us. How can that be bad? No president has ever been exactly what we need. He comes pretty close though in my opinion.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Malkuthian]
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Malkuthian said:
Your first post was not about the old or the new testament, nor was it about what god said. It was about what holy books say:
akira_akuma said:
in holy books, there is never anything but condemnation for violence


This is what I opposed. The statement  "I think god condemns violence in the new testament" is another discussion.


no, i was talking about what the holy books say that people take as the word of God.

honestly, i swear, i see people making these judgement calls that "see God wants you to do some horrible shit look at the book!", but no, God is usually pretty fuckin' quiet, from what i've read. but yeah, it's an interesting debate, you know, so i had fun...plus i'm reading Snow Crash and there is lot in there about old civilizations and religions and language (those translations i've been talking about, right....) so ... yeah, my mind is all over it, but you know, i still got some brushing up to do, so my opinions here are anything but definitive, naturally.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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people arent afraid of nationalism because some people link it with national socialism. it is bad because nationalism is a step backwards. it breeds blind comformity and is incredibly divisive nationally and internationally.

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Nationalism is inherently divisive because it highlights perceived differences between people, emphasizing an individual's identification with their own nation. The idea is also potentially oppressive because it submerges individual identity within a national whole, and gives elites or political leaders potential opportunities to manipulate or control the masses.


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In the liberal political tradition there is widespread criticism of 'nationalism' as a dangerous force and a cause of conflict and war between nation-states. Nationalism has often been exploited to encourage citizens to partake in the nations' conflicts. Such examples include the two World Wars, where nationalism was a key component of propaganda material


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Bertrand Russell criticizes nationalism for diminishing the individual's capacity to judge his or her fatherland's foreign policy.[64] Albert Einstein stated that "Nationalism is an infantile disease. ... It is the measles of mankind." from here


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By ‘nationalism’ I mean first of all the habit of assuming that human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled ‘good’ or ‘bad’(1). But secondly — and this is much more important — I mean the habit of identifying oneself with a single nation or other unit, placing it beyond good and evil and recognising no other duty than that of advancing its interests. Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality. from here


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It is also worth emphasising once again that nationalist feeling can be purely negative. There are, for example, Trotskyists who have become simply enemies of the U.S.S.R. without developing a corresponding loyalty to any other unit. When one grasps the implications of this, the nature of what I mean by nationalism becomes a good deal clearer. A nationalist is one who thinks solely, or mainly, in terms of competitive prestige. He may be a positive or a negative nationalist — that is, he may use his mental energy either in boosting or in denigrating — but at any rate his thoughts always turn on victories, defeats, triumphs and humiliations. He sees history, especially contemporary history, as the endless rise and decline of great power units, and every event that happens seems to him a demonstration that his own side is on the upgrade and some hated rival is on the downgrade. But finally, it is important not to confuse nationalism with mere worship of success. The nationalist does not go on the principle of simply ganging up with the strongest side. On the contrary, having picked his side, he persuades himself that it is the strongest, and is able to stick to his belief even when the facts are overwhelmingly against him. Nationalism is power-hunger tempered by self-deception. Every nationalist is capable of the most flagrant dishonesty, but he is also — since he is conscious of serving something bigger than himself — unshakeably certain of being in the right.


On Trump..

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He loves the country and believes in Capitalism. How can he not work for a better America with those values.


uncontrolled capitalism directly hinders the democratic process at the very least.

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Will Trump get tough with Saudi? They are conducting an economic war against us presently.


what economic war? Saudi is one of Americas biggest customers in weaponry alone. 100s of billion of dollars worth. You think Trump - a man who "believes in capitalism" would make trouble for his well paying customers? I would agree that relations between the West and S.A. need to change drastically but Trump is gona do fuck all.

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Will he attempt to do what is necessary to stop illegal immigration? Americans go back to work. Illegals only pick 2% of our crops. They do however dominate the construction business. Putting our people out of work because they cant survive on the pay the illegals receive.


Well by its nature, illegal immigration is often under the radar. I imagine all statistics are therefore inaccurate and can only be seen as rough indicators.. Whatever you do, you cannot elimate illegal immigration entirely. Illegals are not the only issue preventing Americans from working. I would focus rather on the companies who don't care about American livelihoods and rather want to pay people who do not have any workers rights very poor wages for the company's own profit. But what americans will be working all these undesirable jobs? - not just done by illegals but by all immigrants. And will it be accepted that the price of food goes up?

What about deporting people: this will rip families apart - many of whom are genuinely contributing to the system. There are children that are born in the US yet their mothers may be deported? I am yet to see Trumps detailed plan of who would be deported.

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Trump wants a moratorium on muslims entering our country until we can figure out how to insure that the bad guys arent coming in. What can be wrong with that? Who cares if it upsets the other countries. Our safety is more important than their feelings.



it is not because it might upset the feelings of other countries.... jesus christ.
"until we figure out how to insure that the bad guys arent coming in"? so its gona be a long ban then...
how do you even tell who is muslim? will rich muslim saudi businessman be allowed in? There are many saudi investments in the US...Trump is just causing outrage because it means everyone spends all their time talking about him.

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Plus, no one is bringing up the fact that obama placed a moratorium on gulf drilling after ONE incident. Trump is asking for one after numerous incidents.


banning all muslims entry into the country is JUST A LITTLE different from stopping gulf drilling.


American exceptionalism and nationalism are a poison and only a couple steps from outright fascism.


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it is not because it might upset the feelings of other countries.... jesus christ.
"until we figure out how to insure that the bad guys arent coming in"? so its gona be a long ban then...
how do you even tell who is muslim? will rich muslim saudi businessman be allowed in? There are many saudi investments in the US...Trump is just causing outrage because it means everyone spends all their time talking about him.


the vetting process, can we not improve it? should we just let in all muslims and HOPE they aren't terrorists? ISIS has bragged about infiltrating the refugee program, are you saying they are lying?

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how do you even tell who is muslim?


really? or are you just being difficult? a properly dialed in vetting process should ascertain fairly easily if they are muslim, and what kind of muslim, a radical, or maybe just one of the ones who don't brag about supporting jihad...

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you cannot elimate illegal immigration entirely.


no, but you can clamp the fuck down on it, take canada for instance, they seem to do a pretty good job with it, you wanna talk about anti business? lets fine the fuck outta business who are caught KNOWINGLY hiring illegals, if they can't work, most will self deport, like they do in canada

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And will it be accepted that the price of food goes up?


did ya miss the part about them "only picking 2% of our crops"??? I'm sure the increase cost in food would be negligible,

that aside, why are you ok with people, any people, working for slave wages???

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I would focus rather on the companies who don't care about American livelihoods and rather want to pay people who do not have any workers rights very poor wages for the company's own profit


my redneck hillbilly backwards state pays 12-15/hr starting out, and thats just for BS jobs like fast food and retail, no unions, no mandates necessary,

what liberals fail to realize is ECONOMIC PROSPERITY is the surest way to drive wages UP!!!

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American exceptionalism...only a couple steps from outright fascism.


there you have it folks, right there, is the liberal mindset on display, according to them, america is NOT exceptional, the ONLY country to become a world superpower in less than two centuries, the ONLY country to have went to war with itself to end slavery, the ONLY country looked up to as a great land of opportunity, we are nothing special... I call BS! america is better than any country, only here can the poor can become the richest and the most powerful, only here can anyone born into poverty can become ANYTHING they want, yet, we are supposed to believe we are nothing special

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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you can't stop Army Ants by dynamiting bridges.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Fuck all forms of politics government and brainwashing. Oh yeah and FUCK the media most of all. Thanks

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
you can't stop Army Ants by dynamiting bridges.


thats true. they make little boats out of leaves.  ants in general are hard to drown. if you pour a bucket of ants in a pond, they all glob together and float.  I threw a lizard into a pond one time, and he didn't make it more than 5 feet back towards shore before a bass ate him.  I threw 2 tarantulas into the same pond, and they came running straight back at me across the water.  I hate spiders, so i booked it, but i stayed long enough to notice that not one fish so much as tried to touch those spiders.

that is all.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: ballsalsa]
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:ilold:

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: akira_akuma]
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in that moment when the spiders perched on the surface of the pond, and began skittering their way back to me, i felt as though they understood how badly i had tried to fuck them over and were coming for revenge. And they deserved it probably, but discretion is the better part of valor and all that jazz, so i ran away from spiders like a little girl and never encountered them again.
every so often i feel their beady little eyes on me though, and i look over my shoulder, just in case.  You never know how long a spider might hold a grudge for.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: ballsalsa]
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once i lifted up the doormat on my front stoop, when i was young, and i found a ladybug...and i let the flap go, and so it was crushed; i checked.

i was scared that the ghost was gonna be mad at me, and i had fucking dreams about and shit that night. :lolsy:

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: akira_akuma]
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Trump is a clown.

I cannot believe that I read this useless thread in one sitting, but I do believe it may have crossed my eyes enough to fall back to sleep.

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hostileuniverse said:
there you have it folks, right there, is the liberal mindset on display, according to them, america is NOT exceptional,



hostileuniverse said:
the ONLY country to have went to war with itself to end slavery



Yea. Most other countries didn't need a war to end slavery...
Also: at the time of the civil war slavery was forbidden in basically all other western countries.
You held on the longest and had to have a war to stop it.
That's not something to be proud of.

hostileuniverse said:
the ONLY country looked up to as a great land of opportunity,



Looked up to != Claim it is.
I don't know anyone who has that view on america.
In all of Europe, from my experience, america is viewed as the school yard bully. A lot of testosterone and a lack of intellect. Self-righteous beyond all reason. But with no or little respect for itself.

hostileuniverse said:
only here can the poor can become the richest and the most powerful, only here can anyone born into poverty can become ANYTHING they want, yet, we are supposed to believe we are nothing special


For real?
You actually have serious class-problems in america...
A lot worse than most European countries I would say.

Just for comparison:

In Sweden schools are free of charge for anyone. That includes Universities. You actually get money from the state for studying (~80 dollars per week) and it doesn't cost anything at all to get in. On top of that everyone, regardless of background, is also allowed a "student loan" of 210 dollars per week if needed. At university level we are allowed this loan for 240 weeks. (as long as we get grades...)

This makes it possible for poor to become rich.

We also have free healthcare for everyone. And free dentistry for everyone below 20.

The only way americans can get rich easier than Swedish people is by exploitation of other people. And buy suing someone because you burned yourself on hot Coffee... Scams and whatnot seem to be more common in the states. I would say that's a bad thing.

hostileuniverse said:
america is better than any country


:grin: I don't see how.
Some statistics:

Human Poverty Index - America is below the rest of the western countries.

Obesity - America is at the top.

You even have higher Infant Mortality than all of Europe:

Or Homicide rate ?
America has 4,8 homicides per 100 000 people per year.
Basically the rest of Europe has below 2. Sweden has 1.

Life Expectancy - America is below the rest of the western countries.

Should I stop here perhaps?

America is not a role model for the rest of the western world.
America is a discouraging example.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Malkuthian]
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Mal, how do you feel about the immigrant "presence" in Sweden today?

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
in that moment when the spiders perched on the surface of the pond, and began skittering their way back to me, i felt as though they understood how badly i had tried to fuck them over and were coming for revenge. And they deserved it probably, but discretion is the better part of valor and all that jazz, so i ran away from spiders like a little girl and never encountered them again.
every so often i feel their beady little eyes on me though, and i look over my shoulder, just in case.  You never know how long a spider might hold a grudge for.


I'm with you balls! Fuck spiders anyway!


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Malkuthian]
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Excellent post Mulkuthian :thumbup:

but dont shatter hostile universe's illusion!!! he will be praying at his shrine of Limbaugh for protection

America is a bully in the world. Exceptionalism means that America can get away with things that no other country can get away with.

there are some things i personally really love about america from my experience. i love its diversity - i see it as a real melting pot BUT i might see that and forget the reality in many cases is that of separation. White, English speaking Americans of European descent seem to lose their heads at this diversity that i appreciate so much. The "other" is scary. Generally-speaking there is alot of separation though there are big exceptions. Many see it as their country only and change as scccaaaarrryyyyyy. qman and hostile will scoff but racism is rife in America. Its a country where people try to set off a race war and actually could have a potential to succeed, this just wouldnt happen in Europe. I mean there is still alot of racism in Europe, but nothing compared to the US.

America is about money and power regardless of the cost to people in its own nation but internationally too.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
the vetting process, can we not improve it? should we just let in all muslims and HOPE they aren't terrorists? ISIS has bragged about infiltrating the refugee program, are you saying they are lying?

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how do you even tell who is muslim?


really? or are you just being difficult? a properly dialed in vetting process should ascertain fairly easily if they are muslim, and what kind of muslim, a radical, or maybe just one of the ones who don't brag about supporting jihad...


how easily would this vetting process be able to tell if someone is muslim? anyone can convert to islam tomorrow. or do you mean brown people with arabic sounding names? there are muslims that are not arab, not arabic speaking etc. people with beards?  There are plenty of people in the US already (muslim or not muslim) who would attack the US government and people. It doesn't stop the attacks. You focus on the root on the issue if you want to break the cycle.

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And will it be accepted that the price of food goes up?


did ya miss the part about them "only picking 2% of our crops"??? I'm sure the increase cost in food would be negligible,

that aside, why are you ok with people, any people, working for slave wages???

what liberals fail to realize is ECONOMIC PROSPERITY is the surest way to drive wages UP!!!


when did i say i'm ok with people working for slave wages???



2% is also a hell of a lot of crops... but did you miss the point where i said that by its very nature as being illegal, statistics on illegal immigration and illegal employment are indicators at best but are inaccurate.

I'm not sure how significant the price rise would be, i said i would just imagine there would be one.

What people like you fail to understand is that people need to be able to survive, if they struggle at even surviving - if there isnt a basic standard then it holds the whole economy back. Just going for ECONOMIC PROSPERITY at all costs feeds into the myth of the trickle down effect because it just goes to the top and stays there.

hostileuniverse said:
there you have it folks, right there, is the liberal mindset on display, according to them, america is NOT exceptional, the ONLY country to become a world superpower in less than two centuries, the ONLY country to have went to war with itself to end slavery, the ONLY country looked up to as a great land of opportunity, we are nothing special... I call BS! america is better than any country, only here can the poor can become the richest and the most powerful, only here can anyone born into poverty can become ANYTHING they want, yet, we are supposed to believe we are nothing special

listen and learn, if you dare...




yeh i think Malkuthian dealt with part pretty well.

youre nothing special, Hostile.
Well, maybe a special kind of straw man.

also.. Rush Limbaugh? seriously? is this where you get your learning? explains alot...


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote] * 1
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American exceptionalism... :rolleyes:


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Every one of you should see this video.
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Edited by Bigbadwooof (12/19/15 12:09 PM)

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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hahaha nice clip!


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Trump wants to provide healthcare for the poor, is that fascist???

http://truthinmedia.com/trump-obamacare-government-universal-healthcare/


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Yes in fact it is if you think about it.

Fascism is where government and corporation merge.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Shins] * 1
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universal healthcare is not fascism


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Shins said:
Yes in fact it is if you think about it.

Fascism is where government and corporation merge.


Tipote said:
universal healthcare is not fascism


Can I get some clarification?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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fascism might support some aspects of welfare for more economic purposes but thats about it. Fascism is extreme right wing, if the right generally doesnt support the welfare state and universal healthcare, fascism certainly wouldnt.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
fascism might support some aspects of welfare for more economic purposes but thats about it. Fascism is extreme right wing, if the right generally doesnt support the welfare state and universal healthcare, fascism certainly wouldnt.


So Trump isn't a fascist???


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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the policy of universal healthcare is not fascist. that doesnt mean that trump isnt fascist. hes just trying to get more votes.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
the policy of universal healthcare is not fascist. that doesnt mean that trump isnt fascist. hes just trying to get more votes.


So it's possible to be "just a little bit fascist"? Does that make the him better or worse?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
fascism might support some aspects of welfare for more economic purposes but thats about it. Fascism is extreme right wing, if the right generally doesnt support the welfare state and universal healthcare, fascism certainly wouldnt.


"Fascism is extreme right wing"

Or extreme left wing, you do remember the USSR?

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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no.... i didnt say it made him less fascist..

it just confirms he isnt a complete idiot, he knows the demagogue game well


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
no.... i didnt say it made him less fascist..

it just confirms he isnt a complete idiot, he knows the demagogue game well


So he's lying when he says he will insure the poor?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Tipote said:
fascism might support some aspects of welfare for more economic purposes but thats about it. Fascism is extreme right wing, if the right generally doesnt support the welfare state and universal healthcare, fascism certainly wouldnt.


"Fascism is extreme right wing"

Or extreme left wing, you do remember the USSR?



yes you can have fascist elements on both extreme ends of the spectrum, but those views of welfare would be seen by fascists on both sides.
fascism is particularly referring to extreme right.

universal healthcare isnt fascist........


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
Tipote said:
no.... i didnt say it made him less fascist..

it just confirms he isnt a complete idiot, he knows the demagogue game well


So he's lying when he says he will insure the poor?


do i think politicians make empty promises and say whatever to get them into office? yup.

he wants to get rid of obamacare and replace it with soemthing that obama would have wanted in the first place.

he may well do it because even in the diluted and shit form it took, obamacare has been important to alot of people.

It will be ironic if he did it because this time, he wouldnt have all the political obstacles that obama did in trying to do basically the same thing.

but i would still strongly doubt Trump would ever do it.

but hes not going to win so he definitely wont.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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So let me clear, you're saying he's a fascist, but something he is promising to do isn't fascist, while at the same time he's lying about doing it anyway, so he's still a fascist, and even if he did do it, he would still be a fascist...

That about right?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
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Consider this HU,
Hitler branded his party the "National Socialist German Workers' Party"
yet he is known as one of the most prominent fascists in history.
its a marketing ploy. Nazi's weren't socialist, and they weren't particularly benevolent towards german workers.(especially the jewish ones).

Now i'm not saying that Trump is comparable to Hitler, but i am saying that trying to be everything to everyone is common in politics(on the campaign trail at least)

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qman said:
Tipote said:
fascism might support some aspects of welfare for more economic purposes but thats about it. Fascism is extreme right wing, if the right generally doesnt support the welfare state and universal healthcare, fascism certainly wouldnt.


"Fascism is extreme right wing"

Or extreme left wing, you do remember the USSR?


The USSR was a sort of pseudo-Communist dictatorship. Not Fascist.

Tipote said:
fascism might support some aspects of welfare for more economic purposes but thats about it. Fascism is extreme right wing, if the right generally doesnt support the welfare state and universal healthcare, fascism certainly wouldnt.


Fascism does support universal healthcare. Firstly, economically, it makes more sense than any other system. Nazi Germany, for instance, had universal healthcare. Fascism is a sort of evangelic nationalism, and isolationist philosophy. They believe in taking care of their own, to some extent. It isn't really a purely right or left-wing philosophy (In American politics. Right and left are interpreted different in Europe.) In American politics, the most extreme right wing position would be Libertarianism.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Actually, the embodiment of American Fascism can be seen in the Leftist wingnuts who want to shut down free speech by shouting down anybody who has a different opinion than theirs!


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Is their shouting not an exercise of free speech?


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