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Bigbadwooof

I don't identify as a Democrat. I espouse left-wing philosophy, generally. There are a few things that I don't agree with 'liberals' on also.

However, I don't find the middle to be the 'high ground', though I see so many centrists proclaim that it is, with the same pretentiousness that a hard right conservative proclaims they hold the high ground. Regardless of which superiority complex afflicts you, it doesn't make you special. Its good to have values that you have developed of your own accord, instead of towing someone else's line. That doesn't denigrate the integrity or validity of other political and philosophical persuasions that many have arrived at via the same process.

As far as income equalling cock size, I fully agree with you, it is a strange measure. Donald Trump seems to start every speech with a rant about how rich he is. It is disgusting. If Elon Musk did it, I would find it a more legitimate talking point, but still repulsive.

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Update: Yesterday I went to eat with some friends of mine, and 70% were Trump fans. One of them said he knew Trump would "kill ISIS" (did he think ISIS is the name of a lone avenging woman?) and "build that wall and make them Mexicans pay for it."

The staunchest supporters said the following statements, broadly paraphrased:

"That Obama Monkey"

"Trump has balls"

"All illegal aliens are either criminals or taking jobs away from Americans (pay attention to the "all" part)"

"The children benefited by the Dream Act will ALL go back to their countries of origin (which is absurd, because I know the root of the movement and these guys are not leaving America any time soon)"

"George Bush was the best president we have ever had"

And all of those amazing political arguments that make your jaw drop to the floor and wish to die on the spot (the jaw).

I think this is a clear symptom, albeit I cannot generalize their opinions and apply them to others' opinions. But it is the gist I have gotten so far.

Wah said:

Stonehenge said:

People thought Reagan was a joke at first too. A movie actor running for president, it was unheard of.

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Exactly what I was thinking.

Trump 2016 is just what nobody believed Palin 2012 would become, but it's becoming.

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starfire_xes said:

Wah said:

Stonehenge said:

People thought Reagan was a joke at first too. A movie actor running for president, it was unheard of.

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Exactly what I was thinking.

Trump 2016 is just what nobody believed Palin 2012 would become, but it's becoming.

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I will bet anyone here that if trump gets the nomination, he will pick Ted Cruz as VP.

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The Ecstatic said:

Rubio.

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The Ecstatic said:

Trump is gonna have more trouble with Latinos than with women. Plus with Rubio he gets a foothold in Florida, which Trump will absolutely need to win.

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psilynut said:

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People thought Reagan was a joke at first too.

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  Some people still do .  By the time he left office 138 people in his admin had been indicted , investigated or convicted for something .  Reagan wins criminal investigations .

    1. Lyn Nofziger--White House Press Secretary - Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal. The lobbying would not have been illegal had he not been White House Press Secretary.

2. Michael Deaver, Reagan's Chief of Staff,  received three years' probation and was fined one hundred thousand dollars after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after leaving the White House. Same as with Lyn Nofziger.

3. James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 41 felony counts for using connections at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his private clients seek federal funds for housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Watt conceded that he had received $500,000 from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he had intervened on their behalf. Watt was eventually sentenced to five years in prison and 500 hours of community service.

4. John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing...

5. Richard Secord pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress over Iran-Contra. Appointed by William Casey to assist Oliver North.

6.  Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush...

7. Robert C. McFarlane, Reagan's National Security Advisor, pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service. He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush...

        It's  a really long a really long Iist . Got bored reading it .
 
   
"The American Petroleum Institute filed suit against the EPA [and] charged that the agency was suppressing a scientific study for fear it might be misinterpreted... The suppressed study reveals that 80 percent of air pollution comes not from chimneys and auto exhaust pipes, but from plants and trees." Presidential candidate Ronald Reagan, in 1979.
 
    Holy shit  Did that really happen . ? The shit people could get away with saying back then is incredible .

    But maybe not , because as I'm writing this  I'm watching  the tea party patriots end the Iran deal thing  and trump is talking about how awesome he is , Sara palin  is literally waxing stupid , I don't even know what the fuck she is trying to say  , but she can still blow me if wants , glen beck is saying when people say there going to exterminate the Jew you should listen , and Michelle  Bachman is saying we should just start bombing  Iran . And the duck dynasty guy was there talking about God or something  not sure why he was there but apparently these are the people conservatives look up too .

 
  That was ....wow . Didn't give Reagan give weapons to Iran at one point?

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royque1980 said:

The Donald, The Trump, the "is this my real hair, or what? Feel that sucker!" phenomenon is a reality (show). Do you think that his poll rates indicate a certain deviation from the GOP original values?


How do you see his ratings in terms of its significance toward GOP potential voters? Is this a sign of demise or simple revolt? Is this a sign of really "just being tired with politics as usual" (a magical thinking toward the harsh reality that business as usual is what will happen and always has)?

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Trump is the downfall of your country

Vote for him if the next time I go to the states I want to see no homes and only expensive condos on south beach. I go to south beach quite often to see lady cakes.

I hate Trump. He is popular though, he might win against the voters who vote for the lowest common denominator because they the poles just for fun. I'm serious I would get an American citizenship just so I could go vote for Trump like as a fucking prank just to see how screwed up the country would become if he won.

What do you think zappaisgod?

Bigbadwooof said:

psilynut said:

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People thought Reagan was a joke at first too.

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  Some people still do .  By the time he left office 138 people in his admin had been indicted , investigated or convicted for something .  Reagan wins criminal investigations .

    1. Lyn Nofziger--White House Press Secretary - Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal. The lobbying would not have been illegal had he not been White House Press Secretary.

2. Michael Deaver, Reagan's Chief of Staff,  received three years' probation and was fined one hundred thousand dollars after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after leaving the White House. Same as with Lyn Nofziger.

3. James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 41 felony counts for using connections at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his private clients seek federal funds for housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Watt conceded that he had received $500,000 from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he had intervened on their behalf. Watt was eventually sentenced to five years in prison and 500 hours of community service.

4. John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing...

5. Richard Secord pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress over Iran-Contra. Appointed by William Casey to assist Oliver North.

6.  Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush...

7. Robert C. McFarlane, Reagan's National Security Advisor, pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service. He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush...

        It's  a really long a really long Iist . Got bored reading it .
 
   
"The American Petroleum Institute filed suit against the EPA [and] charged that the agency was suppressing a scientific study for fear it might be misinterpreted... The suppressed study reveals that 80 percent of air pollution comes not from chimneys and auto exhaust pipes, but from plants and trees." Presidential candidate Ronald Reagan, in 1979.
 
    Holy shit  Did that really happen . ? The shit people could get away with saying back then is incredible .

    But maybe not , because as I'm writing this  I'm watching  the tea party patriots end the Iran deal thing  and trump is talking about how awesome he is , Sara palin  is literally waxing stupid , I don't even know what the fuck she is trying to say  , but she can still blow me if wants , glen beck is saying when people say there going to exterminate the Jew you should listen , and Michelle  Bachman is saying we should just start bombing  Iran . And the duck dynasty guy was there talking about God or something  not sure why he was there but apparently these are the people conservatives look up too .

 
  That was ....wow . Didn't give Reagan give weapons to Iran at one point?

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Wow, great post. I didn't realize the Reagan administration was so rife with corruption. Have you seen this Libertarian cult leader Stefan Molyneux on youtube. He's apparently telling people to sever their ties with family if they don't follow extreme Libertarian views, because they want you shot. They want you shot because if you refuse to pay taxes and also resist arrest, you will be shot. It's a real mindfuck.

That link is to a video about it.

The way I see it, the Republican party is strangling itself with stupid. I can't tell you the number of Republicans I've talked to who are registering as democrats because the party has come unhinged. There is no equivalency here.

Giving Donald Trump a fucking microphone and following him 24/7 is just fucking stupid. And no, patlal, when I hear him talk, I am forced to turn away in shame. Shame that my country is so fucking stupid, and flagrantly displaying that fact to the entire world. If he actually becomes president, I may just wash my hands of this place, out of utter disgust. Then again, there's no telling who that maniac might bomb. At least if I move to Mexico there will be more English speakers there than ever before! lmao

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Magenta said:

Bigbadwooof said:

psilynut said:

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People thought Reagan was a joke at first too.

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  Some people still do .  By the time he left office 138 people in his admin had been indicted , investigated or convicted for something .  Reagan wins criminal investigations .

    1. Lyn Nofziger--White House Press Secretary - Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal. The lobbying would not have been illegal had he not been White House Press Secretary.

2. Michael Deaver, Reagan's Chief of Staff,  received three years' probation and was fined one hundred thousand dollars after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after leaving the White House. Same as with Lyn Nofziger.

3. James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 41 felony counts for using connections at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his private clients seek federal funds for housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Watt conceded that he had received $500,000 from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he had intervened on their behalf. Watt was eventually sentenced to five years in prison and 500 hours of community service.

4. John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing...

5. Richard Secord pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress over Iran-Contra. Appointed by William Casey to assist Oliver North.

6.  Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush...

7. Robert C. McFarlane, Reagan's National Security Advisor, pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service. He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush...

        It's  a really long a really long Iist . Got bored reading it .
 
   
"The American Petroleum Institute filed suit against the EPA [and] charged that the agency was suppressing a scientific study for fear it might be misinterpreted... The suppressed study reveals that 80 percent of air pollution comes not from chimneys and auto exhaust pipes, but from plants and trees." Presidential candidate Ronald Reagan, in 1979.
 
    Holy shit  Did that really happen . ? The shit people could get away with saying back then is incredible .

    But maybe not , because as I'm writing this  I'm watching  the tea party patriots end the Iran deal thing  and trump is talking about how awesome he is , Sara palin  is literally waxing stupid , I don't even know what the fuck she is trying to say  , but she can still blow me if wants , glen beck is saying when people say there going to exterminate the Jew you should listen , and Michelle  Bachman is saying we should just start bombing  Iran . And the duck dynasty guy was there talking about God or something  not sure why he was there but apparently these are the people conservatives look up too .

 
  That was ....wow . Didn't give Reagan give weapons to Iran at one point?

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Wow, great post. I didn't realize the Reagan administration was so rife with corruption. Have you seen this Libertarian cult leader Stefan Molyneux on youtube. He's apparently telling people to sever their ties with family if they don't follow extreme Libertarian views, because they want you shot. They want you shot because if you refuse to pay taxes and also resist arrest, you will be shot. It's a real mindfuck.

That link is to a video about it.

The way I see it, the Republican party is strangling itself with stupid. I can't tell you the number of Republicans I've talked to who are registering as democrats because the party has come unhinged. There is no equivalency here.

Giving Donald Trump a fucking microphone and following him 24/7 is just fucking stupid. And no, patlal, when I hear him talk, I am forced to turn away in shame. Shame that my country is so fucking stupid, and flagrantly displaying that fact to the entire world. If he actually becomes president, I may just wash my hands of this place, out of utter disgust. Then again, there's no telling who that maniac might bomb. At least if I move to Mexico there will be more English speakers there than ever before! lmao

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Same shit different day, they are all idiots. Name one good nominee

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Magenta said:

royque1980 said:

The Donald, The Trump, the "is this my real hair, or what? Feel that sucker!" phenomenon is a reality (show). Do you think that his poll rates indicate a certain deviation from the GOP original values?


How do you see his ratings in terms of its significance toward GOP potential voters? Is this a sign of demise or simple revolt? Is this a sign of really "just being tired with politics as usual" (a magical thinking toward the harsh reality that business as usual is what will happen and always has)?

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Trump is the downfall of your country

Vote for him if the next time I go to the states I want to see no homes and only expensive condos on south beach. I go to south beach quite often to see lady cakes.

I hate Trump. He is popular though, he might win against the voters who vote for the lowest common denominator because they the poles just for fun. I'm serious I would get an American citizenship just so I could go vote for Trump like as a fucking prank just to see how screwed up the country would become if he won.

What do you think zappaisgod?

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qman said:

Magenta said:

royque1980 said:

The Donald, The Trump, the "is this my real hair, or what? Feel that sucker!" phenomenon is a reality (show). Do you think that his poll rates indicate a certain deviation from the GOP original values?


How do you see his ratings in terms of its significance toward GOP potential voters? Is this a sign of demise or simple revolt? Is this a sign of really "just being tired with politics as usual" (a magical thinking toward the harsh reality that business as usual is what will happen and always has)?

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Trump is the downfall of your country

Vote for him if the next time I go to the states I want to see no homes and only expensive condos on south beach. I go to south beach quite often to see lady cakes.

I hate Trump. He is popular though, he might win against the voters who vote for the lowest common denominator because they the poles just for fun. I'm serious I would get an American citizenship just so I could go vote for Trump like as a fucking prank just to see how screwed up the country would become if he won.

What do you think zappaisgod?

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"I hate Trump"

His annoying personality doesn't invalidate any of his positions (tariffs, trade with china, deporting illegal immigrants).

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"I hate Trump"

His annoying personality doesn't invalidate any of his positions (tariffs, trade with china, deporting illegal immigrants).

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psilynut said:

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"I hate Trump"

His annoying personality doesn't invalidate any of his positions (tariffs, trade with china, deporting illegal immigrants).

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    Nope , it's his complete inability to explain any of his positions or offer up even minor details in a debate  that invalidates  them .

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