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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Tipote said:
fascism might support some aspects of welfare for more economic purposes but thats about it. Fascism is extreme right wing, if the right generally doesnt support the welfare state and universal healthcare, fascism certainly wouldnt.


"Fascism is extreme right wing"

Or extreme left wing, you do remember the USSR?



yes you can have fascist elements on both extreme ends of the spectrum, but those views of welfare would be seen by fascists on both sides.
fascism is particularly referring to extreme right.

universal healthcare isnt fascist........


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
Tipote said:
no.... i didnt say it made him less fascist..

it just confirms he isnt a complete idiot, he knows the demagogue game well


So he's lying when he says he will insure the poor?


do i think politicians make empty promises and say whatever to get them into office? yup.

he wants to get rid of obamacare and replace it with soemthing that obama would have wanted in the first place.

he may well do it because even in the diluted and shit form it took, obamacare has been important to alot of people.

It will be ironic if he did it because this time, he wouldnt have all the political obstacles that obama did in trying to do basically the same thing.

but i would still strongly doubt Trump would ever do it.

but hes not going to win so he definitely wont.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
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So let me clear, you're saying he's a fascist, but something he is promising to do isn't fascist, while at the same time he's lying about doing it anyway, so he's still a fascist, and even if he did do it, he would still be a fascist...

That about right?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
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Consider this HU,
Hitler branded his party the "National Socialist German Workers' Party"
yet he is known as one of the most prominent fascists in history.
its a marketing ploy. Nazi's weren't socialist, and they weren't particularly benevolent towards german workers.(especially the jewish ones).

Now i'm not saying that Trump is comparable to Hitler, but i am saying that trying to be everything to everyone is common in politics(on the campaign trail at least)

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote] * 1
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qman said:
Tipote said:
fascism might support some aspects of welfare for more economic purposes but thats about it. Fascism is extreme right wing, if the right generally doesnt support the welfare state and universal healthcare, fascism certainly wouldnt.


"Fascism is extreme right wing"

Or extreme left wing, you do remember the USSR?


The USSR was a sort of pseudo-Communist dictatorship. Not Fascist.

Tipote said:
fascism might support some aspects of welfare for more economic purposes but thats about it. Fascism is extreme right wing, if the right generally doesnt support the welfare state and universal healthcare, fascism certainly wouldnt.


Fascism does support universal healthcare. Firstly, economically, it makes more sense than any other system. Nazi Germany, for instance, had universal healthcare. Fascism is a sort of evangelic nationalism, and isolationist philosophy. They believe in taking care of their own, to some extent. It isn't really a purely right or left-wing philosophy (In American politics. Right and left are interpreted different in Europe.) In American politics, the most extreme right wing position would be Libertarianism.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Actually, the embodiment of American Fascism can be seen in the Leftist wingnuts who want to shut down free speech by shouting down anybody who has a different opinion than theirs!


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: wordman1] * 1
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Is their shouting not an exercise of free speech?


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