qman said:

Tipote said:

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/we-asked-a-fascism-expert-if-donald-trump-is-a-fascist-124

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"Trump is sort of proposing could lead to a marriage of business and government"

What nonsense, we already have a marriage to business and government today, when Trump suggests a 35% tariff on imports from China and Mexico, he's giving the middle finger to shareholders, it's the complete opposite of what this article is suggesting, pure garbage.

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Bigbadwooof said:

I also support tariffs.

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if BS don't get the nod, are you gonna come to the Trump side? we have cookies!

Tipote said:

Trump just said he wants to bar all muslims coming to the US. All of them. Even American citizens who are overseas right now.

what do you think qman and hostile? you seem to be quite fond of Trump

qman said:

Tipote said:

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/we-asked-a-fascism-expert-if-donald-trump-is-a-fascist-124

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"Trump is sort of proposing could lead to a marriage of business and government"

What nonsense, we already have a marriage to business and government today, when Trump suggests a 35% tariff on imports from China and Mexico, he's giving the middle finger to shareholders, it's the complete opposite of what this article is suggesting, pure garbage.

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i dont think Trump is giving the middle finger to share holders.

anything else from the article in particular?

i agree that business and government is very much intertwined in america already. I don't see that going backwards with Trump. Do you ?

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Bigbadwooof said:

Lol, the trolls in the comments section, at least!

Some drunken asshole got in my gf's face today, because she 'was ignorant for not supporting Trump'! lmao

Anyway, Tariffs would be bad for big business, so qman is right about that. However, I might add, that him imposing tariffs would also be a Fascist move. Fascism seeks to preserve national interests over foreign interests at any cost. This manifests itself in positive and negative ways. I also support tariffs.

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hostileuniverse said:

"Even American citizens"?

I'd love to see a link to that, or are you just making things up again?

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Quote:

Trump, in a formal statement from his campaign, urged a “total and complete shutdown” of all federal processes allowing followers of Islam into the country until elected leaders can “figure out what is going on.”
Asked by The Hill whether that would include American Muslims currently abroad, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks replied over email: “Mr. Trump says, ‘everyone.’ ”

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BoldAsLove said:

You're splitting hairs. A serious candidate not immediately rejecting the idea of a database that keeps track of a certain race/religion is pretty damn troubling. It doesn't matter if Trump brought it up or not; the only sane, democratic, non-facsist response is to say: "no, we will not require government tracking of people based solely on their religious affiliation."

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Malkuthian said:

BoldAsLove said:

You're splitting hairs. A serious candidate not immediately rejecting the idea of a database that keeps track of a certain race/religion is pretty damn troubling. It doesn't matter if Trump brought it up or not; the only sane, democratic, non-facsist response is to say: "no, we will not require government tracking of people based solely on their religious affiliation."

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Well put!

The fascist mentality is growing is Europe as well. Even if it isn't mainstream yet, people seem to avoid seeing how close we actually are. I think our generations are to young to realize what the core problem with fascism was, we are reducing the problem to "they killed people". New fascism regimes are growing and history will repeat. At least the risk is big.

Every day we are reducing our freedom more and more for the sake of "security" (read: fear).
It's sad.

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hostileuniverse said:

Quote:

During a Tuesday morning interview with ABC's "Good Morning America," however, Trump clarified that American Muslims would still be able to travel under his plan

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From YOUR source, ya fucking liar!

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hostileuniverse said:

YEAH NEXT TIME JUST REPORT ME!

THE POST WAS A LIE, TRUMP DID NOT SAY THAT, IT WAS LIE, YOUR OWN SOURCE PROVES IT WAS A LIE!

CHEERS!

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Quote:

admittedly, this could have been a slip up from his own spokesperson.

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Tipote said:

Trump just said he wants to bar all muslims coming to the US. All of them. Even American citizens who are overseas right now.

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THERE IS YOIR ORIGINAL QUOTE, MAYBE YOU "MISPOKE" I HEARD ONCE LIBERALS ARE ACTUALLY INCAPABLE OF LYING BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEIR INTENTIONS ARE NOBLE

hostileuniverse said:

Tipote said:

Trump just said he wants to bar all muslims coming to the US. All of them. Even American citizens who are overseas right now.

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THERE IS YOIR ORIGINAL QUOTE, MAYBE YOU "MISPOKE" I HEARD ONCE LIBERALS ARE ACTUALLY INCAPABLE OF LYING BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEIR INTENTIONS ARE NOBLE

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Good luck America in picking a good president, you are about due for another one soon.

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qman said:

You are correct, the PC culture and the looney left can thank themselves for the high level of Trump's success.

Like most political movements, the PC culture couldn't take it's victories and call it a day, they had to go to a insane level of reasoning which the general public now finds repulsive.

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Still_tripping said:

Firstly I'll have to admit that I'm Canadian so this Trump phenomena dosen't impact me directly, though most Canadians lean to the left so the govt and media are just as aghast at what he says as are your Democrats.

What I'm enjoying seeing is the shock that almost all your politicians are expressing at his behavior. Yet the way I see it is that his popularity is a direct result of the policies of the left. Many people are getting heartily sick of what appears to be constant political correctness to the extreme and have found someone in Trump who will express those feelings of frustration for them. The fact that our govt's, yours and ours (especially ours), keep leaning more and more to the left has, at least in the US so far, created a backlash to the right.

I'm not saying that Trump would make a good president, he does seem to be a bit of a loose cannon but where is there another politician that can adequately represent those on the right, there isn't one. What's needed is a middle of the road type who expresses common sense in his/her policies without either being socialist or fascist, but does have the guts to stand up to politically correct idiocy. The trouble is that the left denigrates anyone who dosen't toe the party line. For instance we have an openly gay premier in the province of Ontario who has stated that anyone who dosen't agree with her is a homophobe, a racist, and/or a zenophobe. (That's ok you should hear what I call her  )

Another problem is that the right is not a homogeneous group. I for instance consider myself a financial conservative and a moral liberal. I don't like to see a govt borrowing way beyond its means but at the same time an individual should be allowed the freedom to do what they please as long as it isn't hurting anyone else. I'm a big believer in personal responsibility, something that has become a foreign concept in Canada. There is no viable party representing my views, either I have to put up with the big spenders if I want personal freedom or the religious zealots if I want financial stability. There is nothing in between.

Good luck America in picking a good president, you are about due for another one soon.

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