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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: qman]
    #22628166 - 12/07/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Trump just said he wants to bar all muslims coming to the US. All of them. Even American citizens who are overseas right now.

what do you think qman and hostile? you seem to be quite fond of Trump




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http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/we-asked-a-fascism-expert-if-donald-trump-is-a-fascist-124




"Trump is sort of proposing could lead to a marriage of business and government"

What nonsense, we already have a marriage to business and government today, when Trump suggests a 35% tariff on imports from China and Mexico, he's giving the middle finger to shareholders, it's the complete opposite of what this article is suggesting, pure garbage.




i dont think Trump is giving the middle finger to share holders.

anything else from the article in particular?

i agree that business and government is very much intertwined in america already. I don't see that going backwards with Trump. Do you ?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
    #22628180 - 12/07/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
    #22628243 - 12/07/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Lol, the trolls in the comments section, at least!

Some drunken asshole got in my gf's face today, because she 'was ignorant for not supporting Trump'! lmao

Anyway, Tariffs would be bad for big business, so qman is right about that. However, I might add, that him imposing tariffs would also be a Fascist move. Fascism seeks to preserve national interests over foreign interests at any cost. This manifests itself in positive and negative ways. I also support tariffs.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22628767 - 12/08/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I also support tariffs.




if BS don't get the nod, are you gonna come to the Trump side? we have cookies!:crazy2:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
    #22629072 - 12/08/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Trump just said he wants to bar all muslims coming to the US. All of them. Even American citizens who are overseas right now.

what do you think qman and hostile? you seem to be quite fond of Trump




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http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/we-asked-a-fascism-expert-if-donald-trump-is-a-fascist-124




"Trump is sort of proposing could lead to a marriage of business and government"

What nonsense, we already have a marriage to business and government today, when Trump suggests a 35% tariff on imports from China and Mexico, he's giving the middle finger to shareholders, it's the complete opposite of what this article is suggesting, pure garbage.




i dont think Trump is giving the middle finger to share holders.

anything else from the article in particular?

i agree that business and government is very much intertwined in america already. I don't see that going backwards with Trump. Do you ?




His economic plan (tariffs and booting out cheap labor) would cost the elite trillions in profits, no other politician could ever suggest such a plan.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: qman]
    #22629097 - 12/08/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

"Even American citizens"?

I'd love to see a link to that, or are you just making things up again?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #22629770 - 12/08/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Lol, the trolls in the comments section, at least!

Some drunken asshole got in my gf's face today, because she 'was ignorant for not supporting Trump'! lmao

Anyway, Tariffs would be bad for big business, so qman is right about that. However, I might add, that him imposing tariffs would also be a Fascist move. Fascism seeks to preserve national interests over foreign interests at any cost. This manifests itself in positive and negative ways. I also support tariffs.





i accept tariffs are difficult for big business but i dont think he is showing the middle finger to the share holders. there might be tariffs in terms of protectionism, that is one thing, but he is talking about making it attractive for big business to come - including allowing all tax haven money to come back into the US.


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"Even American citizens"?

I'd love to see a link to that, or are you just making things up again?




Yes, he made the comment and journalists asked by email if this included American citizens abroad and the reply was "everybody". Though of course this was from the campaign team and he has come out now saying he didn't mean American citizens. the point is, he seems to chop and change according to who he is speaking to. He loves muslims then he wants to stop them coming, including citizens, then not including citizens.

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Trump, in a formal statement from his campaign, urged a “total and complete shutdown” of all federal processes allowing followers of Islam into the country until elected leaders can “figure out what is going on.”
Asked by The Hill whether that would include American Muslims currently abroad, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks replied over email: “Mr. Trump says, ‘everyone.’ ”




making things up again? when have i done that? thats your job, your royal strawiness.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: BoldAsLove] * 2
    #22629833 - 12/08/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You're splitting hairs. A serious candidate not immediately rejecting the idea of a database that keeps track of a certain race/religion is pretty damn troubling. It doesn't matter if Trump brought it up or not; the only sane, democratic, non-facsist response is to say: "no, we will not require government tracking of people based solely on their religious affiliation."



Well put!

The fascist mentality is growing is Europe as well. Even if it isn't mainstream yet, people seem to avoid seeing how close we actually are. I think our generations are to young to realize what the core problem with fascism was, we are reducing the problem to "they killed people". New fascism regimes are growing and history will repeat. At least the risk is big.

Every day we are reducing our freedom more and more for the sake of "security" (read: fear).
It's sad.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Malkuthian]
    #22629988 - 12/08/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You're splitting hairs. A serious candidate not immediately rejecting the idea of a database that keeps track of a certain race/religion is pretty damn troubling. It doesn't matter if Trump brought it up or not; the only sane, democratic, non-facsist response is to say: "no, we will not require government tracking of people based solely on their religious affiliation."



Well put!

The fascist mentality is growing is Europe as well. Even if it isn't mainstream yet, people seem to avoid seeing how close we actually are. I think our generations are to young to realize what the core problem with fascism was, we are reducing the problem to "they killed people". New fascism regimes are growing and history will repeat. At least the risk is big.

Every day we are reducing our freedom more and more for the sake of "security" (read: fear).
It's sad.




absolutely! I think after enough time has passed, younger people and ignorant older people who haven't learnt from history take us to the same dangerous positions for history to repeat itself.

Fascism is on the rise again and just as Boldaslove says, its normalisation should ring alarm bells.






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    #22630003 - 12/08/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22630075 - 12/08/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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During a Tuesday morning interview with ABC's "Good Morning America," however, Trump clarified that American Muslims would still be able to travel under his plan




From YOUR source, ya fucking liar!





lol... liar?

i did say his campaign team said it and he has come out saying that its not the case. how is that a lie if i just told you that? his campaign did say it originally that...

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Trump, in a formal statement from his campaign, urged a “total and complete shutdown” of all federal processes allowing followers of Islam into the country until elected leaders can “figure out what is going on.”
Asked by The Hill whether that would include American Muslims currently abroad, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks replied over email: “Mr. Trump says, ‘everyone.’ ”




here is what i said..

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Though of course this was from the campaign team and he has come out now saying he didn't mean American citizens. the point is, he seems to chop and change according to who he is speaking to.




or the adjusts his position on the reaction.

admittedly, this could have been a slip up from his own spokesperson.

maybe think, take your time, and read slowly next time before you start calling people "fucking liars"?


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
    #22630989 - 12/08/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

YEAH NEXT TIME JUST REPORT ME!

THE POST WAS A LIE, TRUMP DID NOT SAY THAT, IT WAS LIE, YOUR OWN SOURCE PROVES IT WAS A LIE!

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22631023 - 12/08/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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YEAH NEXT TIME JUST REPORT ME!

THE POST WAS A LIE, TRUMP DID NOT SAY THAT, IT WAS LIE, YOUR OWN SOURCE PROVES IT WAS A LIE!

CHEERS!





sorry to burst your bubble mate but i didnt report you much as you deserve it most of the time, the mod acted on his own. I got my own official warning for a comment ive made to someone else. Also even if i did report you, it doesnt necessarily mean the moderator would just do what i want. either you broke the rules or you didnt.....

it wasnt a lie..
i even said..

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admittedly, this could have been a slip up from his own spokesperson.




which clearly it was. however, when the announcement was made, that was the message coming from his campaign, he has since clarified.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
    #22631603 - 12/08/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Trump just said he wants to bar all muslims coming to the US. All of them. Even American citizens who are overseas right now.




THERE IS YOIR ORIGINAL QUOTE, MAYBE YOU "MISPOKE" I HEARD ONCE LIBERALS ARE ACTUALLY INCAPABLE OF LYING BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEIR INTENTIONS ARE NOBLE:rolleyes:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22631808 - 12/08/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Trump just said he wants to bar all muslims coming to the US. All of them. Even American citizens who are overseas right now.




THERE IS YOIR ORIGINAL QUOTE, MAYBE YOU "MISPOKE" I HEARD ONCE LIBERALS ARE ACTUALLY INCAPABLE OF LYING BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEIR INTENTIONS ARE NOBLE:rolleyes:




correct, the trump campaign has said this. his campaign team said he said this. it has since been corrected and clarified.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Tipote]
    #22634103 - 12/09/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Firstly I'll have to admit that I'm Canadian so this Trump phenomena dosen't impact me directly, though most Canadians lean to the left so the govt and media are just as aghast at what he says as are your Democrats.

What I'm enjoying seeing is the shock that almost all your politicians are expressing at his behavior. Yet the way I see it is that his popularity is a direct result of the policies of the left. Many people are getting heartily sick of what appears to be constant political correctness to the extreme and have found someone in Trump who will express those feelings of frustration for them. The fact that our govt's, yours and ours (especially ours), keep leaning more and more to the left has, at least in the US so far, created a backlash to the right.

I'm not saying that Trump would make a good president, he does seem to be a bit of a loose cannon but where is there another politician that can adequately represent those on the right, there isn't one. What's needed is a middle of the road type who expresses common sense in his/her policies without either being socialist or fascist, but does have the guts to stand up to politically correct idiocy. The trouble is that the left denigrates anyone who dosen't toe the party line. For instance we have an openly gay premier in the province of Ontario who has stated that anyone who dosen't agree with her is a homophobe, a racist, and/or a zenophobe. (That's ok you should hear what I call her  :cuteshit: )

Another problem is that the right is not a homogeneous group. I for instance consider myself a financial conservative and a moral liberal. I don't like to see a govt borrowing way beyond its means but at the same time an individual should be allowed the freedom to do what they please as long as it isn't hurting anyone else. I'm a big believer in personal responsibility, something that has become a foreign concept in Canada. There is no viable party representing my views, either I have to put up with the big spenders if I want personal freedom or the religious zealots if I want financial stability. There is nothing in between.

Good luck America in picking a good president, you are about due for another one soon. :goodluck:


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Still_tripping]
    #22634120 - 12/09/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You are correct, the PC culture and the looney left can thank themselves for the high level of Trump's success.

Like most political movements, the PC culture couldn't take it's victories and call it a day, they had to go to a insane level of reasoning which the general public now finds repulsive.

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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: qman]
    #22635375 - 12/09/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Good luck America in picking a good president, you are about due for another one soon. :goodluck:




thanks! it has been a long time since Reagan!


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: qman]
    #22635670 - 12/09/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You are correct, the PC culture and the looney left can thank themselves for the high level of Trump's success.

Like most political movements, the PC culture couldn't take it's victories and call it a day, they had to go to a insane level of reasoning which the general public now finds repulsive.




Yes. It's just like evangelicals trying to use whatever political process they can to further ridiculous agendas. The PC regressive culture tries to use university staffers and the political process to stifle free speech, and silence the voice of opposition to their whacky causes. In both cases, it is ridiculous, and creates a swell of animosity.


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Re: Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism [Re: Still_tripping]
    #22635688 - 12/09/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Firstly I'll have to admit that I'm Canadian so this Trump phenomena dosen't impact me directly, though most Canadians lean to the left so the govt and media are just as aghast at what he says as are your Democrats.

What I'm enjoying seeing is the shock that almost all your politicians are expressing at his behavior. Yet the way I see it is that his popularity is a direct result of the policies of the left. Many people are getting heartily sick of what appears to be constant political correctness to the extreme and have found someone in Trump who will express those feelings of frustration for them. The fact that our govt's, yours and ours (especially ours), keep leaning more and more to the left has, at least in the US so far, created a backlash to the right.

I'm not saying that Trump would make a good president, he does seem to be a bit of a loose cannon but where is there another politician that can adequately represent those on the right, there isn't one. What's needed is a middle of the road type who expresses common sense in his/her policies without either being socialist or fascist, but does have the guts to stand up to politically correct idiocy. The trouble is that the left denigrates anyone who dosen't toe the party line. For instance we have an openly gay premier in the province of Ontario who has stated that anyone who dosen't agree with her is a homophobe, a racist, and/or a zenophobe. (That's ok you should hear what I call her  :cuteshit: )

Another problem is that the right is not a homogeneous group. I for instance consider myself a financial conservative and a moral liberal. I don't like to see a govt borrowing way beyond its means but at the same time an individual should be allowed the freedom to do what they please as long as it isn't hurting anyone else. I'm a big believer in personal responsibility, something that has become a foreign concept in Canada. There is no viable party representing my views, either I have to put up with the big spenders if I want personal freedom or the religious zealots if I want financial stability. There is nothing in between.

Good luck America in picking a good president, you are about due for another one soon. :goodluck:




The religious zealots are the big spenders, due to their unique affinity for war. Republicans outspend democrats, generally speaking.


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