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    #25441517 - 09/06/18 11:03 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

FARTS

I think that there is a fair and responsible solution to:
  • Wage stagnation in the U.S
  • Labor exploitation in the 3rd world
  • Environmental degradation worldwide
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My proposal is a law requiring any company selling goods in the U.S. to comply with U.S. environmental and labor laws, regardless of where their product is manufactured.

Feel free to tell me why you do or don't think this is a good idea, but I really want this thread to be about how to flesh this idea out into a full fledged piece of legislation.


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Re: F.air A.nd R.esponsible T.rade S.tatute [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #25441628 - 09/07/18 01:19 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Great idea.  :thumbup:

We shouldn't lower our standards - others should raise theirs.


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Re: F.air A.nd R.esponsible T.rade S.tatute [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #25443600 - 09/07/18 08:27 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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I really want this thread to be about how to flesh this idea out into a full fledged piece of legislation.




Step 1

Public financing of elections.

Until that happens, big money is going to continue to buy politicians and things will continue to get worse.


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Re: F.air A.nd R.esponsible T.rade S.tatute [Re: ballsalsa]
    #25443638 - 09/07/18 08:37 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I thought something like this existed already? Not sure.


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Re: F.air A.nd R.esponsible T.rade S.tatute [Re: XUL]
    #25443658 - 09/07/18 08:47 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

How would you enforce that? Do we have regulators installed in every country? That sounds like a beurocratic nightmare that would spur all kinds of corruption; new businesses have an even higher barrier of entry while established ones own the regulators and continue not following the laws. Does it apply to everyone we do business with? If not then why not just "sell" the company to a surrogate owner within the country and purchase the goods from them, effectively not changing a thing?


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    #25443817 - 09/07/18 09:52 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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krypto2000 said:
How would you enforce that? Do we have regulators installed in every country? That sounds like a beurocratic nightmare that would spur all kinds of corruption; new businesses have an even higher barrier of entry while established ones own the regulators and continue not following the laws. Does it apply to everyone we do business with? If not then why not just "sell" the company to a surrogate owner within the country and purchase the goods from them, effectively not changing a thing?




Yes, U.S. regulators installed at every factory.  Make them pay for inspections. 
Yes, it would apply to anyone selling goods within the boundaries of the U.S. or it's territories.
As for barriers to entry, tough titty, i say.  It's no more of a barrier than any company in the U.S. has to overcome.


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Re: F.air A.nd R.esponsible T.rade S.tatute [Re: ballsalsa]
    #25443853 - 09/07/18 10:00 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I'll start:
Whereas it is recognized that greed and exploitation are not confined by borders, and it is recognized that labor interests worldwide cannot avoid exploitation without fair and uniform minimum standards for labor and environmental regulations, we propose that United States law provides a suitable baseline standard.


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Re: F.air A.nd R.esponsible T.rade S.tatute [Re: ballsalsa]
    #25444693 - 09/08/18 08:47 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Some companies have been bullied into safer factories via American boycotting.

But that is fickle and perilous.

Hell, it seems like most leftists don't even care about what's happening overseas -- as long America is clean and regulated.

Leftists don't seem to care about the Muslim invasion, factory pollution overseas, or American companies practicing slave labor overseas.

In the name of equality, let the Muslims do what they will in Europe. In the name of Global warming, regulate our country and pollute the poor countries.


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Re: F.air A.nd R.esponsible T.rade S.tatute [Re: XUL]
    #25444718 - 09/08/18 09:02 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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XUL said:
Some companies have been bullied into safer factories via American boycotting.

But that is fickle and perilous.

Hell, it seems like most leftists don't even care about what's happening overseas -- as long America is clean and regulated.

Leftists don't seem to care about the Muslim invasion, factory pollution overseas, or American companies practicing slave labor overseas.

In the name of equality, let the Muslims do what they will in Europe. In the name of Global warming, regulate our country and pollute the poor countries.




:burke:
do you have anything to actually add to the discussion?


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Re: F.air A.nd R.esponsible T.rade S.tatute [Re: XUL]
    #25444787 - 09/08/18 09:39 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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XUL said:
Some companies have been bullied into safer factories via American boycotting.

But that is fickle and perilous.

Hell, it seems like most leftists don't even care about what's happening overseas -- as long America is clean and regulated.

Leftists don't seem to care about the Muslim invasion, factory pollution overseas, or American companies practicing slave labor overseas.

In the name of equality, let the Muslims do what they will in Europe. In the name of Global warming, regulate our country and pollute the poor countries.




What are you basing that on? To me this reads like a blind hatred for leftists that only exists as a charicacure in your head. Is there at least an anecdote you can cite where someone said that or anything?


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Re: F.air A.nd R.esponsible T.rade S.tatute [Re: krypto2000]
    #25444794 - 09/08/18 09:42 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Yes. Obama era regulations.

Do you believe regulations were higher under Obama?


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    #25444804 - 09/08/18 09:45 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I wouldn't call Obama regulators "lefties". Democrats, sure, but they're centrists at best. You don't hear leftists voters supporting anything like that.


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    #25444821 - 09/08/18 09:50 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Fair enough.


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Re: F.air A.nd R.esponsible T.rade S.tatute [Re: XUL]
    #25445176 - 09/08/18 01:34 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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I thought something like this existed already? Not sure.




Nope


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