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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: Paleocon]
    #7736412 - 12/09/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

interventionism brought us Korea, Vietnam, Iraq (1), Iraq (2), and all those Latin America conflicts. isolationism did not cause WWII to happen it just delayed us entering the conflict. history classes, they help.


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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7736447 - 12/09/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Interventionism brought us none of those conflicts anymore then it brought us Adolf Hitler. Those conflicts were started by dictators and we responded to them.

Iraq 1 was statted by Saddam trying to invade Kuwait. Iraq 2 by Saddam's previous violation of UN regulations. Vietnam by the communists attempt to take over, and Korea by North Korea's attempted invasion of South Korea.

Stop scapegoating the US for trying to save other countries for invasion. That's like blaming the police for catching a thief, and saying that if the police and laws didn't exist there would have been no theft.


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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: Paleocon]
    #7736505 - 12/09/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

however you slice it we were not involved in any of the conflicts i mentioned until we decided to become involved in them as part of an interventionist world police foreign policy. Hitler came to power because of a variety of cultural, WWI, great depression factors that had nothing to do with the U.S. foreign policy at the time. Remember we were in the great depression leading up to WWII.


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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7736516 - 12/09/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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however you slice it we were not involved in any of the conflicts i mentioned until we decided to become involved in them as part of an interventionist world police foreign policy.




So what? We would have eventually been involved sooner or later. Do you honestly think those dictators would be satisfied with their countries? If they were the sort fo care about matters like national rights they wouldn't be dictators to begin with.

All you are saying is we should stand back and watch them grow. That policy means we will only face a larger scale conflict later on.


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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: Paleocon]
    #7736557 - 12/09/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7736571 - 12/09/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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We could have squashed Germany like the pipsqueak it was easily. We simply chose not to due to the cowardice of our politicians.




You should probably read & understand some more history before you make large, baseless assumptions. For starters: Who were the 4 Americans who received the highest award given to non-German civilians by the Nazi regime?




Totally irrelevant. Some Americans are immoral, that does not mean all Americans are immoral. That is the price of freedom-you allow some people to choose the wrong course of action.


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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: Paleocon]
    #7736599 - 12/09/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: Paleocon]
    #7736613 - 12/09/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7736620 - 12/09/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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No, it is not irrelevant. Do you know who they were & why the received the award they did?




It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if the US president back then was a hitler-lover, that wouldn't change the fact that the US as a whole decided to fight and defeat the Nazis.


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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7736623 - 12/09/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Stalin and Mao hated each other... Do you not know your history?




It appears you are the one quite confused on history. Have you ever read anything Mao wrote about Stalin?




Mao wrote a lot of things he didn't really believe.


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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: Paleocon]
    #7736635 - 12/09/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: Paleocon]
    #7736641 - 12/09/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: Paleocon]
    #7736653 - 12/09/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7736655 - 12/09/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Keep in mind after we lost Vietnam millions of Vietnamese were executed by the communist party.




You have history quite confused, do you not? Vietnam was not Cambodia. Do you know who removed Pol Pot from power? I'll give you a hint... it was the Vietnamese National Liberation Front.




Yeah they replaced one form of totalitarianism with another. Nevermind that if we would have won there would have been no totalitarianism in either country.


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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: Paleocon]
    #7736658 - 12/09/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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however you slice it we were not involved in any of the conflicts i mentioned until we decided to become involved in them as part of an interventionist world police foreign policy.




So what? We would have eventually been involved sooner or later. Do you honestly think those dictators would be satisfied with their countries? If they were the sort fo care about matters like national rights they wouldn't be dictators to begin with.

All you are saying is we should stand back and watch them grow. That policy means we will only face a larger scale conflict later on.




what threat was Korea or Vietnam to the U.S.? WWII is not our fault. that is just the worst argument i have ever heard. Communist Vietnam didn't attack the U.S. after we pulled out.

in the name of interventism this is what we have also accomplished: Saddam never attacked or threatened the U.S. in fact we gave him money and weapons to fight Iran during their war with each other. We also trained and gave weapons to al qaeda during the 1980's. We sold weapons to our now enemy Iran and then gave the money to anti communists in Latin America in the 1980's which is why we face such heavy illegal immigration today.

you are just sooooo wrong. apply to a community college near you and take a history class or two. lol


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"Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS
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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7736662 - 12/09/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if the US president back then was a hitler-lover, that wouldn't change the fact that the US as a whole decided to fight and defeat the Nazis.




Who said anything about a U.S. president? You have no idea who they (the 4 individuals... 3 of them, anyways) were or why they were awarded, do you?




I said it doesn't matter even IF it was the US president. The US still fought and defeated Nazi Germany.


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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: Paleocon]
    #7736669 - 12/09/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: Paleocon]
    #7736676 - 12/09/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7736679 - 12/09/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah they replaced one form of totalitarianism with another. Nevermind that if we would have won there would have been no totalitarianism in either country.




You are simply delusional. Has it ever crossed your mind that another group of people somewhere else in the world might not equate colonialism & imperialism with "liberty" & "democracy"?






There are people in the US who don't like the concepts of liberty and democracy. There are KKK members who think we should bring back slavery. Should we just get rid of the police and let them run rampant, or do you sometimes have to impose laws on people that they may not necessarily agree with?


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Re: Ron Paul's isolationism would have helped Hitler according to John McCain [Re: Paleocon]
    #7736701 - 12/09/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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