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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Gorlax]
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Gorlax said:
Raising the min wage is like cutting a dollar in half and giving both ends back to the same person.


Yep, and a few fools will keep asking for more of it since the last time did nothing.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Gorlax]
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Stonehenge said:
You know that's what you want. Do you deny it?


Hardly.

Gorlax said:
Raising the min wage is like cutting a dollar in half and giving both ends back to the same person.


Hmm, interesting, go on.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: zorbman]
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Reagan was not an outsider. Was a two term governor from America's largest state.  He was thoroughly plugged into political circles.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said:
The Donald will make a good pres. We need someone we can laugh at, obumble just has his big ears, the don has lots to laugh about.


Solid stance on what it takes to be a good president :lol:

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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: DeadHearts]
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DeadHearts said:
Stonehenge said:
The Donald will make a good pres. We need someone we can laugh at, obumble just has his big ears, the don has lots to laugh about.


Solid stance on what it takes to be a good president :lol:


We're kind of at this point.  None of them are really serious candidates.  Just corporate PR front men/women.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said:
DeadHearts said:
Stonehenge said:
The Donald will make a good pres. We need someone we can laugh at, obumble just has his big ears, the don has lots to laugh about.


Solid stance on what it takes to be a good president :lol:


We're kind of at this point.  None of them are really serious candidates.  Just corporate PR front men/women.



This is true. All of these people are a fucking joke. I'll be "wasting" my vote on 3rd/Green Party across the board. But of course
The majority will Go with Jeb or Clinton because of the media coverage. Craziness.

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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said:
The pubs are like the dumb dems. If it was trump or hitlery, they vote trump. The tards all vote hitlery.


So if the tards are voting hillary

and the pubs are "like the dumb dems."

that makes anyone voting for the donald what, A Super Tard?

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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Gorlax]
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Gorlax said:
Raising the min wage is like cutting a dollar in half and giving both ends back to the same person.


Raising minimum wage would be quite helpful, and I doubt it'd devalue the dollar bill. The last time minimum wage was risen, the dollar bill didn't increase any more than usual. It's to keep up with increasing inflation that way people can actually live on minimum wage.

Most of the money that should be paid to workers is thrown up the corporate ladder. America's CEOs have the highest amount of pay compared to their workers than ANY other place in the world.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said:
DeadHearts said:
Stonehenge said:
The Donald will make a good pres. We need someone we can laugh at, obumble just has his big ears, the don has lots to laugh about.


Solid stance on what it takes to be a good president :lol:


We're kind of at this point.  None of them are really serious candidates.  Just corporate PR front men/women.


Umm... actually there is a Bernie Sanders running this year, incase you forgot.


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FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Achillita]
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Achillita said:
Gorlax said:
Raising the min wage is like cutting a dollar in half and giving both ends back to the same person.


Raising minimum wage would be quite helpful, and I doubt it'd devalue the dollar bill. The last time minimum wage was risen, the dollar bill didn't increase any more than usual. It's to keep up with increasing inflation that way people can actually live on minimum wage.

Most of the money that should be paid to workers is thrown up the corporate ladder. America's CEOs have the highest amount of pay compared to their workers than ANY other place in the world.


No, printing money to bail out failed businesses inflates the dollar.

He's just spouting nonsense. I hear a lot of claims from the right about what raising the minimum wage will or won't do. None of which are substantiated.

Then again, I'm the 'loony' who believes theres a difference between raising wages and giving everyone in America $2 million dollars, so what in the fuck do I know? Lmao


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
KauaiOrca said:
DeadHearts said:
Stonehenge said:
The Donald will make a good pres. We need someone we can laugh at, obumble just has his big ears, the don has lots to laugh about.


Solid stance on what it takes to be a good president :lol:


We're kind of at this point.  None of them are really serious candidates.  Just corporate PR front men/women.


Umm... actually there is a Bernie Sanders running this year, incase you forgot.


Sanders has zero chance of getting elected.  I don't consider that a "serious" candidate.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Achillita said:
Gorlax said:
Raising the min wage is like cutting a dollar in half and giving both ends back to the same person.


Raising minimum wage would be quite helpful, and I doubt it'd devalue the dollar bill. The last time minimum wage was risen, the dollar bill didn't increase any more than usual. It's to keep up with increasing inflation that way people can actually live on minimum wage.

Most of the money that should be paid to workers is thrown up the corporate ladder. America's CEOs have the highest amount of pay compared to their workers than ANY other place in the world.


No, printing money to bail out failed businesses inflates the dollar.

He's just spouting nonsense. I hear a lot of claims from the right about what raising the minimum wage will or won't do. None of which are substantiated.

Then again, I'm the 'loony' who believes theres a difference between raising wages and giving everyone in America $2 million dollars, so what in the fuck do I know? Lmao


Raising minimum wage is, in many cases, a better way for corporations to spend their money than where it would otherwise end up. 

Problem we have in America is that thousands and thousands of the brightest in corporations spend a huge amount of the working time trying to figure out how to pay workers as little as possible to generate as big a bonus as possible for themselves and those higher up the ladder than they are.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Yeah, I'm glad you like it! It's my favorite quote, and it's very true! :smile:


Thank you for providing it!

Its a well worded way of expressing something I'm sure most of us feel to be true, its simple, easy to understand, and very effective at making its point.

Great qoute, thanks again.

-E. Borodin

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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
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From what I hear about Mr.sanders he sounds like he would be the best choice, though I have not done any in depth research....

I'm pessimistic that America will even be able make the right choice, I'm pessimistic because I think that the electoral college uses our votes as "suggestions", I'm pessimistic because our Congress is broken, things have become so partison that lesgislation will get killed just to spite the opposing party, I'm pessimistic because special interest and big bussiness have bought our politicians and have rigged the game in their favor, I'm pessimistic because I see hard working people, full time workers, unable to live on their wage.....

I generally try to keep my mind as far from politics as I can, its so negative, and often causes me to become physically sick when I learn about how things are being run....

As for the conservatives , Sam brownback put a bunch of ultra- conservative policy in place in kansas, and Kansas could not repair their roads, their schools closed early for lack of funds, and their poor could not be fed, meaning poor families lost their food-stamps....Kansas had to borrow money from other States.....right-wing policy will destroy America...these conservitives have convinced poor rednecks that they are fighting for them, when they say freedom they mean corporations being freed from regulations and taxes, they don't care about the poor fools who vote for them or their personal freedom....the tea-party was promoting Ayn rand's master-piece of shit "atlas shrugged" where the rich get fed up and leave and the poor are left in despair , it gives the message that to even smile at a poor person will set the world on a path of destruction....they openly promote this, and the poor rally behind them...WHY?

In politics you MUST be able to read between the lines, and the right-wing voters are failing to do this, they will get these scum elected then will be sitting there scratching their heads wondering why the politician is doing nothing to help them and wondering why things are getting worse...immagine Kansas under brownback on a national scale, or the recession of 2008 times ten.

...I'm not very enthused with the democrats either, I know I come down harder on the right, but seriously they are the ones bringing it on themselves.

Ive lost all faith in government, I cant believe that it works as well as it does, but it still makes me sick....


I believe in peace, love, kindness, compassion, and wisdom and gnosis, I have no place in modern politics, modern politics will turn a person like me into an angry pessimistic person, and that's not me at all....

-E. Borodin

Edited by Coincidentiaoppositorum (07/08/15 07:47 AM)

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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
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If I could vote in the US, Trump would have it simply because he is financing his own campaign, he owes nothing to nobody and he says what's on his mind, no written speeches, no acting, nothing. He's him. No super  PACs, nothing. Plus, I trust his judgement.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Patlal]
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Bernie Sanders isn't accepting super pacs or large donations. He wants Donations from his supporters, not from corporations. A person that is from the people is what america needs.

Donald trump may be able to run a business, but I doubt he has any sort of knowledge to run a country. It's much different principles. If you run a corporation by trying to save as much money as you can, there are usually very little to no repercussions. If you do that to a country, you are going to plunge us either into extreme poverty or further our debt trying to fix his mistakes.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Achillita]
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Donald is the clown prince of the gop right now. If he wins the gop will be only slightly less pissed than the dems. But he has to swim a river of shit while towing a barge with the rope in his teeth facing a stiff headwind. He will go down in defeat and make lots of money franchising his name.

The crooked as hell hitlery will trounce sanders with money, we all know the sheep are easily swayed by tv ads. Her crimes and dirty deeds will be swept under the carpet by the media just as it whitewashed billy as a harmless rogue when he was a traitor, thief and killer. That is if sanders doesn't have a tragic accident.

Maybe putin will run? Fake birth certificates are no problem, he discovers he was born in Hawaii too.

Then we get tired old jeb vs filthy hitlery and with the media shamelessly cheerleading for her, she slithers in. Jebs every suspicious move gets plastered on the front page, hitlery's many misdeeds get a light whitewash and then forgotten. Benghazi, where is that? Emails, they must have gotten lost.

Vote third party


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said:
Vote third party


We don't have a viable third party at the presidential level, unfortunately.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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>We don't have a viable third party at the presidential level, unfortunately.

Only because the sheep all listen to the mantra of "don't waste your vote" so they waste it on the repubmocrats. Even if greens, for example, don't win they get more matching funds which makes them more viable. Vote third party or you share the blame for the situation.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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That's exactly true. You shouldn't have to settle for a candidate because to vote third party will would "waste" your vote. A third party candidate might very well win. They'd just have to be liked much more than the other candidates.


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