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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stockw]
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Yeah pretty sure your plates have bacteria and so do your jars.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Screwup]
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Yeah wet grains & too much condensation then the space on the agar dish didn't look too promising but was hoping someone would think otherwise lul

My LC's keep letting me down.. & I'm not sure where it's going wrong

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stockw] * 1
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Got pics of the culture you use to inoculate the broth?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stockw] * 1
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Thanks Stockw! Wrote it all by myself haha


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stockw]
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I'm going to be making my first lc in the next day or so,I'm hoping everything goes smoothly. If the plate had bacteria before you took your wedge than it could be transferring over with it.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] * 1
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mushboy said:
Got pics of the culture you use to inoculate the broth?



Appreciate the help guys. It was from a Plate Pin off an overgrown dish I had already taken 2 transfers from which sounds ridiculous now that I'm typing it lol. It had no signs of contam that I could see but I'm a meat head so. Bad idea?

I'm going to be making a new LC today with a T2 dish I have. Here are images of both. Do you think this one's more suitable?



Edited by stockw (03/23/23 07:21 AM)

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stockw]
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Do fungi think?


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Edited by cozmyc (03/23/23 06:04 PM)

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Soloist] * 1
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I finally got my tent up, the last few batches of wbs I've been preparing have been coming up bacteria free. I reduced the soak time to about 16 to 18 hours and been letting it dry out better before sterilizing and using it withing a couple days. I got about 20 jars that's been shaken and recovered quickly and cleanly, another 18 to shake today and some more grain to grain transfers. Working up to a full tent. :smile:

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Why are these jars stalled? [Re: Inocuole]
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I am a total noob, this is part of the first round of growing I've done.

I've been working to follow Bod's teks for the most part, although I've read so many different things that I've got all kinds of info swirling in my head. I PC'd whole oats (after boiling as per instructions until the starch was gelatinized) in jars, and inoculated with liquid culture from [vendor]. This is Jedi Mind F*ck. It started out beautifully; soft fuzzy mycelium spreading quickly from multiple points. I shook at 30% and 70%. The first photo is immediately before the 70% shake. Then, they seem to have stalled. There are some chunky spots of INTENSELY thick mycelium, but it still looks like mycelium to my (admittedly untrained) eye - I don't see any off colors or any non-mycelium growth patterns that I recognize, but those splotches of white have held steady for a couple of weeks. There was some temperature fluctuation before I got a proper controlled incubation setup (ceramic heat lamp with thermostat, keeping it between 75'F and 78'F) and at one point, I think the jars got some direct sun before I realized that it was happening - they were in a clear plastic tub, and the sun hits it during the day when I'm at work. I don't know if this could have somehow cooked it partway. 

I've thought about just sending these jars to substrate to see what happens and to get my jars back so I can do another round. I've also thought about sending them to the compost bin in the yard and calling it a learning experience. I'm going through and experimenting with a variety of different methods; I've also got other grain jars that are colonizing quickly now from LC and from A2G that I grew from spore print, then transferred to clean up... so I'm not emotionally attached to this, mostly just curious about what it's doing and why.






Edited by Sericin (03/24/23 02:19 PM)

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sericin] * 1
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Welcome :mushroom2: Yea, things got bacterial. You can toss them in a mix of straw and compost to possibly get fruits outside. It could have been leftover bacteria from sterilization cycle or from the LC. Always double check LC on agar first. Remove vendor name from your post please :mushroom2:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cozmyc]
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Vendor name removed; thank you for that note.

I did test on agar. Because oats are cheap and I have a fifty-pound bag of them, and I was excited to get started, I did both LC to agar (to test) and LC to grain at the same time - I figured if there was an issue, I was out like a buck and a half worth of oats and half an hour. My agar plates were pretty clean: evenly round growth with no contamination I could see within the mycelium. I did six plates for each syringe, mainly so I could watch them grow and see how they behave. One I dropped some ISO on by accident and the growth was off-round, and a couple of them did get some not-in-the-mycelium contamination (one mold, two bacterial, out of 20 plates) that was introduced during inoculation of the plates... but the culture looked pretty clean. I don't think there was bacteria in the syringe, although I can't swear that my technique was perfect. There's definitely a learning curve! Even though the T0 plates from the LC looked pretty clean, I did T1 transfers just to practice (and I was also cleaning up / selecting for growth potential some T0 plates from spore print at the same time), and I put a couple of the nice clean T1 plates of agar to grain, and they're doing well.



What diagnoses it as bacterial? I'm new to mushrooms, but familiar with biology lab - I know what I'm looking at on an agar plate, but not in a jar of oats. The white clumps look to me like dense mycelium; they don't have the weepy/rotted look that I always associate with bacterial growth. Close to, there is still fuzzy mycelium covering every oat, it's just not solid white like I want it to be (and like the APE jars that I did at the same time were). When I've seen bacterial jars on here and other forums, they looked gross, like the jar was full of ick - this just looks like it was suspended in time, like it's going nowhere. I was beginning to wonder if somehow I had shaken it too much, but I shook the successful jars very similarly, and they bounced back just fine.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sericin]
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Myce or mold.

Thinking it's mold and I need to start completely over,  Took pins from stalled cake that was getting contaminated wash/rinse with distilled water 4 times.  Shown from underneath, very airal. 72 hours 75deg.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrokenHeart]
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Sericin]
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Sericin said:
Vendor name removed; thank you for that note.

I did test on agar. Because oats are cheap and I have a fifty-pound bag of them, and I was excited to get started, I did both LC to agar (to test) and LC to grain at the same time - I figured if there was an issue, I was out like a buck and a half worth of oats and half an hour. My agar plates were pretty clean: evenly round growth with no contamination I could see within the mycelium. I did six plates for each syringe, mainly so I could watch them grow and see how they behave. One I dropped some ISO on by accident and the growth was off-round, and a couple of them did get some not-in-the-mycelium contamination (one mold, two bacterial, out of 20 plates) that was introduced during inoculation of the plates... but the culture looked pretty clean. I don't think there was bacteria in the syringe, although I can't swear that my technique was perfect. There's definitely a learning curve! Even though the T0 plates from the LC looked pretty clean, I did T1 transfers just to practice (and I was also cleaning up / selecting for growth potential some T0 plates from spore print at the same time), and I put a couple of the nice clean T1 plates of agar to grain, and they're doing well.



What diagnoses it as bacterial? I'm new to mushrooms, but familiar with biology lab - I know what I'm looking at on an agar plate, but not in a jar of oats. The white clumps look to me like dense mycelium; they don't have the weepy/rotted look that I always associate with bacterial growth. Close to, there is still fuzzy mycelium covering every oat, it's just not solid white like I want it to be (and like the APE jars that I did at the same time were). When I've seen bacterial jars on here and other forums, they looked gross, like the jar was full of ick - this just looks like it was suspended in time, like it's going nowhere. I was beginning to wonder if somehow I had shaken it too much, but I shook the successful jars very similarly, and they bounced back just fine.



The stalling and patchy growth is what sticks out to me. Let them do their thing and see if any weird colors pop up, if not and they do fully colonize, you might be able to send them 1:1.

That T1 looks lovely


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrokenHeart] * 1
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BrokenHeart said:
Myce or mold.

Thinking it's mold and I need to start completely over,  Took pins from stalled cake that was getting contaminated wash/rinse with distilled water 4 times.  Shown from underneath, very airal. 72 hours 75deg.




I see some good myc, but I also see sussy wispy myc. If you can grab some of that dense white growth, do that:thumbup:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cozmyc] * 1
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Not sure if I can save it because "the dense" formed around donor material and "the wispy" spread from it.  Serious head scratchin'  trying to keep genes going but doesn't appear to be going well.  I got one dish out of 8 that I sliced a myc chunk off side of cake instead of a stalled washed pin.  It doesn't appear to be sending out the wispy stuff yet and appears to be 10% larger, keeping fingers crossed.

Thank goodness for this site and you and your friends, I be mold farming repeatedly if it weren't for your kindness.  Seriously THANK YOU.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: BrokenHeart]
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No problemo :mushroom2:
If you still have that cake, maybe whip up some water agar and throw a chunk on it and see what happens. You might be able to get some separation.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
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I don't get how to write a post without answering someone. I would like to know if I can get spores from a growing harvest to make a new one. I'm sure it's possible but I don't know how nor I can found info online

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Donniemarko] * 4
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Donniemarko said:
I don't get how to write a post without answering someone. I would like to know if I can get spores from a growing harvest to make a new one. I'm sure it's possible but I don't know how nor I can found info online



At the top of the forum there's a "New Post" button, but we have a thread for questions like this:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27827195

As for making spore prints:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24461957

I would also encourage the use of the search engine:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24270830

Welcome to Shroomery :cookiemonster:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: dowodenum]
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Eyyooo got some questions for y'all

1- Prepped some WBS, only one accessible had peanuts in it. I did my best to remove any, but some split ones might have avoided my keen eye. Will peanuts for sure contam, or is it likely that healthy myc can take care of it? I've used this before way back, but I don't remember if my tubs were iffy.

2- This birdseed has a bunch of wheat berries in it, and the prep I did yielded 13 jars. Can I store the extra jars in the fridge overnight if I did another run tomorrow? Or do I just toss them?

3- How much honey/karo are you using in your pastyplates? A drop, or more? My current plates seem slow, but it could be the new genetics (albino cambodian).

4- Another thing that might've been holding me back is not having cheap easy access to 100% potato flakes (I miss Idaho Spuds in the USA). The ones I have been using have like salt, some herbs and other ingredients.

It works, I've made great plates, but I wonder if they could've lead to higher contam rates than I expected.

5- Can I make pastyplates with Potato Starch instead?

Thanks in advance!


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