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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker]
    #28213023 - 03/03/23 07:25 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

As wrong as stamets is about a lot of things, and his woo woo views and snake oil tactics, he plays a part. He's an extremely outspoken advocate for psilocybin and has brought a lot of attention to the potential benefits of it. Hell, I think a lot of people first got interested in mushrooms after his talks on the biggest podcast in the world. Also, he's got a dope ass hat that I want.

I wonder how much of his wrong doing is out of malice and bad intent rather than just incompetence and eagerness though.

Not defending him, just happy he exists because I wouldn't be here without him.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Way] * 5
    #28213170 - 03/03/23 09:00 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

Ur here cause I bought a pretty lady at a bar a drink one night :discodance:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #28213226 - 03/03/23 09:47 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker] * 1
    #28213241 - 03/03/23 09:58 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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LtLurker said:
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Capitan_Pacheco said:
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LtLurker said:
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Stipe-n Cap said:
As far as I understand, I'm not a chemist,
But the fungi doesn't just assimilate l-Tryptophan from the environment, it's biosynthesised via sugars like Erythrose 4-phosphate. Otherwise all you'd have to do is dump tryptophan supplements into your sub.



I knew I wasn't crazy and the only one.

@ captain. It was published in 76. Likely more wrong than correct at this point cause its so outdated.




Yes, it may be outdated. But it is a nice read for any begginer.

Psilocybin mushrooms of the world, by Paul Stamets may be more actual.



Stamens is actually the worst. While peers of his era are limited by the time their in but otherwise did good work, stamets just made shit up from "common sense" and wrote them like facts in his books without any basic experimentation. He even named things as if they were new species when they weren't; genetics tells us this for sure now, but most of his contemporaries always said they were likely the same as known species and likely just regional varieties at most.

Now a days he says horrible lies like oysters curing a friends cancer, or psych  shrooms curing deafness. Oh and of course he happens to sell these miracle cures. His behavior is much more akin to a con artist or snake oil salesman than a researcher.

I cant name a great current book. You can learn alot just by googling and surfing around. Older books aren't exactly terrible, you just gotta keep in mind there's gonna be things wrong.





Wow, hating on a dude who gave mushrooms to the world and you can't even spell the dudes name.. Weak. Show me something cool that you did LtLurker. :shrug:

Like for real. You gave me a shit review too back a few years and frankly I don't think you do anything cool other than ride the coat tails of people who nobody knows. I can tell you right here I'm not impressed and leave it at that. I don't need to add a shit stain to your record. Even the wording is narcissistic. "Ego, inconsistent. Maybe will come around." and a +2. Go ahead and edit that to a 0 for me would you, and have a look in the mirror buddy.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nichrome]
    #28213251 - 03/03/23 10:04 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

:hotdamn:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Way]
    #28213327 - 03/03/23 11:00 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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Way said:
As wrong as stamets is about a lot of things, and his woo woo views and snake oil tactics, he plays a part. He's an extremely outspoken advocate for psilocybin and has brought a lot of attention to the potential benefits of it. Hell, I think a lot of people first got interested in mushrooms after his talks on the biggest podcast in the world. Also, he's got a dope ass hat that I want.

I wonder how much of his wrong doing is out of malice and bad intent rather than just incompetence and eagerness though.

Not defending him, just happy he exists because I wouldn't be here without him.



Absolutely. I've had to concede before and will again; at his best hes a communicater and public figure that brings attention and interest. You could probably make a decent overtain window argument for it.

When I see him speak and the fact he still goes mush hunting and will share what he knows with strangers, certainly gives the impression its not malicious. Sadly, some of the best conmen also master masking like this so its so hard to truly know his intent now.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker] * 4
    #28213362 - 03/03/23 11:34 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

Wow nichrome, I'm sorry to hear you feel that way. Honestly I dont even remember giving you that rating. Its pretty rare I give low ratings like that and at this point I dont even want to speculate what the discussions were. Today I only know you as a grower I respect and understands the biology side of it far more than I do.

I thought we were having a civil discussion and disagreement; which ultimately i conceeded because you hit a good point i was flat wrong about and im not someone smart enough to counter your argument.

Idk what you want for something cool. My first few years here my health and disabilities were in a very bad place, I passed most of my time here nearly all day every day, helping new people in the old getting started section learn to grow and walk them through their first attempts and sending out free prints. It might be the reason im still around frankly cause I had nothing positive going on for myself but that. I've tried different crosses and tracking down the old peu pheno genetics, but never stabilized anything worth while, invented any new cool teks or re-wrote old ones. I just share info and try to help others improve their grows with the things that helped me.

Im sorry my rating has effected you so much all this time and will find it. Im not sorry for disagreeing and debating because that's how we learn. Stamets autocorrects to stamen when on a phone and im atrocious with typing on this thing as well as spelling. I may not be some science communicator, but I know there's a good number of people out there I helped learn to do this, and people locally doing better with their depression and anxiety cause of these things, thats good enough for me to be proud of what I do.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker] * 1
    #28213365 - 03/03/23 11:38 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

"I'm sorry you feel that way" Classic narcissism. Just leave me alone from now on bro. You don't respect me and I really don't care.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nichrome] * 4
    #28213488 - 03/04/23 02:18 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

be nice again all, please :smile: I don't want any bad juju here  <3

Mush love to you all!

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Shrimps] * 1
    #28213535 - 03/04/23 04:37 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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Shrimps said:
be nice again all, please :smile: I don't want any bad juju here  <3

Mush love to you all!

:loveheart:



Shhhh, might get that slap fight afterall


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SirPsycho] * 3
    #28213542 - 03/04/23 05:02 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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SirPsycho said:
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Shrimps said:
be nice again all, please :smile: I don't want any bad juju here  <3

Mush love to you all!

:loveheart:



Shhhh, might get that slap fight afterall



Nah. Got nothing against the guy. Gonna respect what he wants and leave it be.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker] * 2
    #28213545 - 03/04/23 05:06 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

:obamafrown:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SirPsycho] * 3
    #28213601 - 03/04/23 06:48 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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:handout:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Shrimps] * 1
    #28213615 - 03/04/23 07:06 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

as much as stamets can be criticised for commercialising, he has contributed his part and i dont know if we should thank him for it, but i guess its the way things go.
popular awareness of the topic. he reached people mckenna would never have reached and never will.
i love mckenna and dont care too much about stamets. but badmouthing his achievements? no way..


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28213617 - 03/04/23 07:07 AM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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you better go and call the waaambulance


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: chris77] * 4
    #28214101 - 03/04/23 12:35 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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as much as stamets can be criticised for commercialising, he has contributed his part and i dont know if we should thank him for it, but i guess its the way things go.
popular awareness of the topic. he reached people mckenna would never have reached and never will.
i love mckenna and dont care too much about stamets. but badmouthing his achievements? no way..



I'm not bad mouthing his achievements and its got nothing to do with commercializing, many growers have left growing to start legit businesses in the mushroom industry. Spore companies, supplies, gourmet growers, etc. Turning a hobby you're passionate about into a legal living is admirable and is the goal of a lot of people.

I'll give the worst first because this isn't just "I kinda dont like the things he does and think he's wrong" like when we tease you tube guys. Stamets claimed mushrooms cured multiple incurable diseases and conditions like cancer and deafness in close friends. There's general health benefits of some mushrooms and some properties that warrant research, but nothing close to cures for these things. Imo its sick and predatory to be telling people, including desperate cancer patients, that the thing you sell has cured their disease. Lately hes kinda tried to walk it back, but still tells the stories without strong claims to avoid penalties.

  His achievements/contributions just aren't as many as people tend to think. He built fame from questionable tactics like finding and naming new species with his partner by looking for slight differences in phenotype in mushrooms miles apart. Here's a link with some examples, for context Alan Rockefeller is a Mycologist and afaik the leader in using genetic sequencing to correct fungus taxonomy.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25724743

For growing, he's the source of a lot of myths we see floating around. He'd make things up and write them as fact without testing. I cant tell you how many people have come here after reading his grow book and do things like colonize in the dark, low o2 during colonizing, etc.; which were easily debunked from simple side by side grows because the differences were so clear. People like Mckenna and Psilocybe Fanaticus contributed far more to growing and tested methods before publishing books, we still use some methods or the basis of those methods, like pf tek.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: San Pedro Girl]
    #28214117 - 03/04/23 12:48 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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Yeah, where is Cronicr? It's like he fell off the face of the earth (or in love).



I bet most people on here are like me. Nobody here actually knows meso when my high blood pressure finally kills me, I’ll just poof from here!




100%. 2-3 people IRL know that i am a member here (or at least know that i know this site) but definitely don't know my account. My tongue has been a lot looser lately in person because i've found more people than you'd expect are pretty open to mushrooms or think that mushrooms are benign on the drug scale. Unfortunate part is that i won't know if my tongue has been too loose until shit hits the fan, but in my area mushrooms have been coming up in legislature so i'm getting less concerned with it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
    #28214296 - 03/04/23 02:38 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

Very illegal here, but I've become the local shaman/hero. I also contribute them to the local police ball.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LadysKnight] * 3
    #28214408 - 03/04/23 03:49 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

But police dont have balls...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker] * 3
    #28214426 - 03/04/23 04:01 PM (10 months, 21 days ago)

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stamets just made shit up from "common sense" and wrote them like facts in his books without any basic experimentation. He even named things as if they were new species when they weren't; genetics tells us this for sure now, but most of his contemporaries always said they were likely the same as known species and likely just regional varieties at most.

Now a days he says horrible lies like oysters curing a friends cancer, or psych  shrooms curing deafness. Oh and of course he happens to sell these miracle cures. His behavior is much more akin to a con artist or snake oil salesman than a researcher.




+1

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I cant name a great current book. You can learn alot just by googling and surfing around. Older books aren't exactly terrible, you just gotta keep in mind there's gonna be things wrong.




As for a current book, posts by TCs and top growers here are the current "book." Use advanced search, limit to the last 5 years, and keep posts to Trusted Cultivators.

There are a lot of non-TC growers here with solid advice, but while you can search advanced search by TCs, there is no search function for "growers who should be TCs but didn't get their badge for one reason or another."


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