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johnukguy
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There is no need for separate fruiting conditions. Also, once you've spawned to bulk, sterile technique is over with. You can allow the mycelium to have constant passive air and some light from the get go. If you post pics, people here can advise you in more detail.
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Dj_karma_magnet said: Is it okay to open the box to check on it before fc?
Iโm like 8 days in, 80% colonization, opened it for a brief second today
Yes. It's old, wrong info that they need to choke in their expelled carbon dioxide to start. They grow fine outside in open air.
They grow well inside if you have them in a box with the lid on upside down, just laying there, lets in just enough air.
There are different ways of lidding them, but that works for me. If they get too tall, put an upside down shoebox on the shoe box (dub tub, double tub)
Though I recommend not touching the grow, even a relatively clean person can have contams on their hands, including Pseudomonas, that can spread to shrooms.
You'll want to touch the little shroomies. Touch them when you harvest.
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anyone know what ever happened to Boogieman47? I was talking with another tribe member this morning and Boog was brought up...
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Hope he's doing OK too, last I heard he was facing some legal troubles.
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#28281302 - 04/16/23 09:48 PM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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A word to the wise: treat your pressure cooker with respect. I just burned the shit out of my finger taking the lid off the same way I always have. It wasnโt pressurized or anything, but steam came out and scalded my finger badly.
Just be as cautious as you would around anything with that capability
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#28281306 - 04/16/23 09:50 PM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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Good advice. Especially as I'm often not super careful taking the lid off, sometimes taking it off while the PC is still hot. I hope you ran your finger under cold water for a good while after that? Scalding can hurt like a son of a bitch.
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#28281482 - 04/17/23 02:25 AM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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had a few grains left over in the bag after mixing in with my sub and I sprinkled a few on the surface. the tub colonized -- WAY -- faster than the other one (same "strain"/isolation) -> 90% vs 40% colonized.
Whats the reason for casing layers?
Also - I'm about to send my first PE variety (trinity). Any particular instructions / recommendations?
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#28281534 - 04/17/23 04:23 AM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: A word to the wise: treat your pressure cooker with respect. I just burned the shit out of my finger taking the lid off the same way I always have. It wasnโt pressurized or anything, but steam came out and scalded my finger badly.
Just be as cautious as you would around anything with that capability
Why'd you open the PC while still hot in the first place?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stubb]
#28281545 - 04/17/23 04:47 AM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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stubb said: Hope he's doing OK too, last I heard he was facing some legal troubles.
yeah Eat told me what happened yesterday
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#28281547 - 04/17/23 04:50 AM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: A word to the wise: treat your pressure cooker with respect. I just burned the shit out of my finger taking the lid off the same way I always have. It wasnโt pressurized or anything, but steam came out and scalded my finger badly.
Just be as cautious as you would around anything with that capability
Literally me every time I let the pressure go to 0 and then Iโm all pikachu surprised when I open it and steam comes rolling out every single time
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#28281584 - 04/17/23 05:52 AM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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Adas said:
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Smellyhobbit said: A word to the wise: treat your pressure cooker with respect. I just burned the shit out of my finger taking the lid off the same way I always have. It wasnโt pressurized or anything, but steam came out and scalded my finger badly.
Just be as cautious as you would around anything with that capability
Why'd you open the PC while still hot in the first place?
You know Iโve done it this way for a year and the steam has never burned me. I donโt know if Iโve just been especially lucky this whole time or if I got unlucky today, but I genuinely didnโt know it was that hot once the lock went down. Figured other people are probably doing the same thing, so it couldnโt hurt to share my experience. Maybe save someone some grief.
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#28281670 - 04/17/23 07:30 AM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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Pickle Rick said: had a few grains left over in the bag after mixing in with my sub and I sprinkled a few on the surface. the tub colonized -- WAY -- faster than the other one (same "strain"/isolation) -> 90% vs 40% colonized.
Whats the reason for casing layers?
Also - I'm about to send my first PE variety (trinity). Any particular instructions / recommendations?
Used to be called a frosting layer to throw grain on top,
Casing is to help crwate a microclimate morw condusive to pinning. If you have your totes/martha dialed then casing isnt entirely necessary, unless youโre growing PE. Idk if trinity blobs But it does seem that thicker casing forces morr thorough colonization before fruiting which generally leads to a better first flush, i get shitty pinsets when i skip pseuocasings..
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#28281728 - 04/17/23 08:16 AM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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Screwup said:
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Smellyhobbit said: A word to the wise: treat your pressure cooker with respect. I just burned the shit out of my finger taking the lid off the same way I always have. It wasnโt pressurized or anything, but steam came out and scalded my finger badly.
Just be as cautious as you would around anything with that capability
Literally me every time I let the pressure go to 0 and then Iโm all pikachu surprised when I open it and steam comes rolling out every single time
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#28281815 - 04/17/23 09:27 AM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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Glad you're ok. After 45 years on this planet I cant keep my fat head out a blazing hot freshly opened oven.
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#28281822 - 04/17/23 09:32 AM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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NFLProof said: Glad you're ok. After 45 years on this planet I cant keep my fat head out a blazing hot freshly opened oven.
I like to eat pizza so hot it burns the skin from the roof of my mouth.
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learning more and more every fucking day
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Yea buddy! Awesome work!
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#28282205 - 04/17/23 02:54 PM (9 months, 8 days ago) |
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Ate some APEs last saturday, a shroomery swab. They were WEAK! Anyways....

oysters and lions mane guys, thats what mushroom farms generally live off, also second selling equipment like agar plates, lcs, prints, pegs, grow bags. as growers we may not understand this, but there's a market out there for just recommending your own picked agar, coir, needles, SHIPS, LC containers, buying them bulk yourself, making some choice with them and then repacking for marked up sale
hell you could even aim at making the wildest grow bag because people order and pay for those.. but your main business is lions mane and oysters
 repacking coir bags at a premium! selling higher prices 'special' agar recipes
but thats what comes with the territory in a hard as hell branch of business, im telling this to give people a rare glimpse
moving on
im seeing big gatekeepers in the career of going from cube grower to a gourmet grower running a facility
- business - do you have a business education? - mechanics - can you meld, saw, cut, metal, for your boilers, for your pausterizing chamber - Pipes/Water/Drainage can you do those - can you build and repair hepa filter units/furniture - can you build and repair fans, air tunnels - can you alone handle the physical labour of making big bags - can you build and maintain a clean room - can you alone do all of this over time, reliably, while making money and paying out a salary to yourself? - Lights/electricity - Fans/Airflow/Air tightness, sealing rooms and devices
- can you get rid of all the trash your operation will produce?
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Space requirements:
1. the transfer room, which is a clean room too 2. a clean room 3. a incubation room 4. a fruiting room 5. a refrigerator room 6. a washing room 7- a office
thats the facility BEFORE we even talk about bags, you move the bags in there
for making the bags you need
- a autoclave - a pasteurizing chamber - a place for those to be - ideally the autoclave and the pasteurizing chamber, is LINKED to the 1. the transfer room !!IMPORTANT!!
you also need: - a grain cooker - a substrate mixer - a bunch of bags/substrate - connected water - fans to adress heat - sinks everwhere to get rid of your waste
I could go on and on and on ..... i mean its OVERWHELMING
how to even do it alone, to start with? most people dont even cover half of those skills in my experience
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Also - before I ban myself again - I wanted to say this
after learning more about how a true clean room is run
shroomery TCs and others need to take heed:
Its undercommunicated, the relevance of the room that your are doing your transfers in. Yes you can do cube grows with SABS and flows in rather unclean rooms, but thats now how a proper clean room is built.
For homeproject clean rooms, clean tents like the ones you use for cannabis around the flowhood, with overpressure, is one very good solution
but most importantly, dont downtalk the importance of the room. a clean room is a room you try to keep as sterile/sanitized as possible, in many many regards and on many levels
in a facility making mushrooms or mushrooms spawn, the transfer one is the cleanest of them all, also actively being tried to be kept that way
on a hardwork/annoyance level, it means "TOTALLY CLEANING EVERYTHING IN IT PERFECTLY EVERY TIME" while also entering perfectly clean
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also on a Personal Equipment level, in your "clean room", with a SAB, or a flow hood, you'd enter COMPLETELY CLEAN wearing top to toe equipment from the top to the bottom
you mask or cover everything except your eyes - even beard, hair type of masks
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AND, you wouldnt be wearing it, IF, you put the suit/clean clothes on imperfectly. You also have to come clean to workn, and put on your clean clothes correctly in the changing room.
Too many "mistakes" putting it on, and you would not be truly considered clean for the transfer
TLDR
it matters where they do the transfer because thats how clean rooms are ran. there is also NO LIMIT to how extreme you can go in maintaining cleanliness.
transfer room: - perfectly clean hepa filtered overpressure in the room ITSELF meaning clean air is pushing all particles out of the room - the room directly connected to the pausteriziing chamer and the autoclave so you can open and take those without opening on the other side post cycle -a big ass table with a big ass flow hood - bag sealers - a clean exit to the other true clean room or incubation room
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thats how much the room matters
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Super interesting!  Thanks for dropping in and sharing this
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