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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nichrome]
    #28211761 - 03/02/23 09:35 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Gotcha gotcha. Same dance different song.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nichrome]
    #28211763 - 03/02/23 09:38 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

So I should use turkey stock concentrate instead of just turkey broth?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rumfor69] * 1
    #28211766 - 03/02/23 09:40 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Hydrate coir with pee and vape off the ammonia over several weeks for best results. That's like 200 mg from an adult in a day. More if you're dying. :ancientaliens:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nichrome] * 1
    #28211770 - 03/02/23 09:44 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

As far as I understand, I'm not a chemist,
But the fungi doesn't just assimilate l-Tryptophan from the environment, it's biosynthesised via sugars like Erythrose 4-phosphate. Otherwise all you'd have to do is dump tryptophan supplements into your sub.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #28211775 - 03/02/23 09:48 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Aren't we all dying all the time? How quick do I need to be dying to have the best pee for my coir?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rumfor69] * 1
    #28211776 - 03/02/23 09:48 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Faster?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #28211785 - 03/02/23 09:56 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

That's interesting that they synthesize tryptophan de novo. Still not sold they don't take it in from external sources though.

An article from a quick search regarding tryptophan and psilocybe metabolism.
https://chemistry-europe.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/cplu.202000581


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rumfor69] * 1
    #28211789 - 03/02/23 09:57 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

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Aren't we all dying all the time? How quick do I need to be dying to have the best pee for my coir?




Like in a couple hours.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nichrome] * 1
    #28211793 - 03/02/23 10:01 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

I pee pure phosphate and tryptophan. Honestly it hurts but anything for mush cult.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nichrome] * 2
    #28211794 - 03/02/23 10:02 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Yeah that's what I was referencing, seems like a well mapped pathway, but like I said, I'm not much of a chemist. Seems like too convenient/simplistic to just feed the colony tryptophan to increase potential potency.

I can barely handle mush as it is, I wouldn't want to eat mush all juiced up on tryptophan :rofl:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 7
    #28211802 - 03/02/23 10:13 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rumfor69] * 1
    #28211827 - 03/02/23 10:33 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

HGH (Hongo Growth Hormone)?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nichrome]
    #28211995 - 03/03/23 04:22 AM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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L-tryptophan is the precursor that psilocybe mushrooms use to synthesize active alkaloids. That is known and the genes have been identified. Psilocybe mushrooms do not make their own tryptophan. They are heterotrophs and they metabolize tryptophan from external sources in order to synth alks.

It's not rocket science.


:ancientaliens:




Im not entirely sure about this. Some mushrooms have been shown to be able to utilize ammonia or even ureic nitrogen. Which means they can synthesize amino acids from it. Heterotrophs just means they gotta feed on some decaying matter, not necessarily that they can't synth a certain amino acid.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
    #28212072 - 03/03/23 06:52 AM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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Which is why I hydrate coir with turkey broth.




Stop being perfect.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sporemaster420] * 1
    #28212074 - 03/03/23 06:53 AM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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I don't believe there's any correlation between grow time and potency, I believe potency is based on genetics.




Pretty sure I read the other day in a peer-reviewed article that potency varies within isolates according to growth conditions. So genetics may play a role, but so doesn’t the environment.




Pretty sure I wanna see that link or you're just making things up.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Adas]
    #28212106 - 03/03/23 07:27 AM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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Some mushrooms have been shown to be able to utilize ammonia or even ureic nitrogen. Which means they can synthesize amino acids from it. Heterotrophs just means they gotta feed on some decaying matter, not necessarily that they can't synth a certain amino acid.





l-Tryptophan is de novo biosynthesed from d-erythrose-4-phosphate and phosphoenol pyruvate requiring 13 steps and 12 enzymes.

https://chemistry-europe.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cplu.202000581

The colony produces it's own Tryptophan.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker] * 1
    #28212286 - 03/03/23 10:15 AM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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The Quickening





Am I the only one around here that thinks this is how tc tags should be given out? Gotta take out a current TC and claim their essence



Come on. Try and take it bro.




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SirPsycho] * 2
    #28212295 - 03/03/23 10:25 AM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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SirPsycho said:
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LadysKnight said:
The Quickening





Am I the only one around here that thinks this is how tc tags should be given out? Gotta take out a current TC and claim their essence



Come on. Try and take it bro.




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nichrome] * 1
    #28212386 - 03/03/23 11:33 AM (10 months, 22 days ago)

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L-tryptophan is the precursor that psilocybe mushrooms use to synthesize active alkaloids. That is known and the genes have been identified. Psilocybe mushrooms do not make their own tryptophan. They are heterotrophs and they metabolize tryptophan from external sources in order to synth alks.

It's not rocket science.


:ancientaliens:




Im not entirely sure about this. Some mushrooms have been shown to be able to utilize ammonia or even ureic nitrogen. Which means they can synthesize amino acids from it. Heterotrophs just means they gotta feed on some decaying matter, not necessarily that they can't synth a certain amino acid.



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That's interesting that they synthesize tryptophan de novo. Still not sold they don't take it in from external sources though.

An article from a quick search regarding tryptophan and psilocybe metabolism.
https://chemistry-europe.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/cplu.202000581





I think "not entirely sure" Is what we are all saying....:seriousthankyou:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Nichrome] * 7
    #28212402 - 03/03/23 11:40 AM (10 months, 22 days ago)

il'l tell you whut
If you add pan myc to your (appropriate)substrate instead of cube myc you will get higher potency mushrooms.
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