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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker] 2
#28268477 - 04/08/23 10:32 AM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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tedoro said: Looks excellent tho. It can be disastrous to put to coir grain that isn't 100%. (Imagine rubbing an uncolonized grain up against unsterile coir.) You are in good shape because you shook when it was well past 50% colonized, so you knew it was thoroughly mixed with mycelia. Its nice to be on the safe side and go 12-24 hours after you see it at what appears to be 100%. (what if the internal conditions caused slightly slower colonization) right?
Ok thank you sir. It'll be out for a couple more days then it's going to the fridge for a pause because I need to go away for a while and then after two weeks it's going to substrate so we'll see how it all goes in the end, but I am stoked that this is looking nice and healthy. I prepd 3 jars, two are good and one didn't move an inch. Smell says bacterial probably, but I have way to little experience to determine why. All of them prepd the same way but PCd separately due to a small PC. Inoculated from same plate at the same time. So what the hell happened to that one between PCing and inoculating I have zero clue.
Just starting out, 2 outta 3 is a pretty good success. A lot of old timers here would likely question the 'sterile technique' as the cause of the bad jar. It takes some time to get the motions of inoculating down. There are hundreds of subtle ways one can do a slight, but wrong move and a jar goes bad. Watching videos of experts (not self-deemed) noc'ing up jars seems to always reveal something they do that we aren't.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro] 2
#28269271 - 04/08/23 09:17 PM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] 1
#28269459 - 04/09/23 01:03 AM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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got my first trich contamination - game over? should I wait for more fruits? throw it away and burn it with fire? whats the common next step?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pickle Rick] 1
#28269461 - 04/09/23 01:05 AM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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Yeah just toss it
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61]
#28269564 - 04/09/23 06:07 AM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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Hello,I was thinking if it could be the coir, but I noticed some new jars that had green growing in it before going to coir. I believe my grain sterilization was done improperly on a couple batches because the PC going off was causing meltdowns. I turned it too low and it didn't get to proper stable heat. I have a few plants in the house too, I wonder if that causes more chances of contams. I use eco earth coco coir from a pet store. I been busy, but got some monos, dub tubs and a couple 20 litter bins going. I ended up re sterilizing a run of grain and it looks super dark. Is it possible to over cook the grain? They are not mushy.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: abductee]
#28269626 - 04/09/23 07:25 AM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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abductee said: Hello,I was thinking if it could be the coir, but I noticed some new jars that had green growing in it before going to coir. I believe my grain sterilization was done improperly on a couple batches because the PC going off was causing meltdowns. I turned it too low and it didn't get to proper stable heat. I have a few plants in the house too, I wonder if that causes more chances of contams. I use eco earth coco coir from a pet store. I been busy, but got some monos, dub tubs and a couple 20 litter bins going. I ended up re sterilizing a run of grain and it looks super dark. Is it possible to over cook the grain? They are not mushy.
how long is your PC cycle? did you vent your PC before starting your cycle?
I've used grain I sterilized for 8+hrs(accidentally) when I first got my 75x's, they were dark as fuck but still worked...
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Leftfield420]
#28271309 - 04/10/23 03:52 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Thanks for the personal experience info π. I PC for 2 hrs for quart jars. I start the timer when it starts to move. I believe i used to do an hour and half with no issues, but I've been seeing two hr time frames since I've gotten back into it. What is venting?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: abductee]
#28271314 - 04/10/23 03:55 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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abductee said: Thanks for the personal experience info π. I PC for 2 hrs for quart jars. I start the timer when it starts to move. I believe i used to do an hour and half with no issues, but I've been seeing two hr time frames since I've gotten back into it. What is venting?
Venting is allowing the initial air and steam mixture to escape so the entire PC is full of only steam and operates at the correct pressure.
Start the PC with the weight off. When steam starts escaping, set a timer for about 15 minutes. After that timer is up, put weight on. When psi hits 15, start timer for sterilization.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Way]
#28272171 - 04/11/23 02:23 AM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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question --> just opened a new 5kg brick of coir. it felt soft when I opened it and the coir is damp. is this safe to use? if so, how do I get it to field capacity, I presume it would need quite a bit less water
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pickle Rick] 2
#28272192 - 04/11/23 02:49 AM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Uff, coir should actually be dry af. Damp coir could probably hold some contams, so I personally would feel safer if I would pasteurize it. To bring it to FC I would start with like maybe adding 3x the weight of it in Water, see how the FC is and if needed just add more hot water until its good and then pasteurizing it.
But I am no expert, it's just my opinion ^^
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Shrimps] 1
#28272485 - 04/11/23 09:03 AM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Weigh out 100g and throw it in the oven on 200 for a few hrs and weigh it again. You now know the exact % of hydration it sits at when it stops changing.
I like my subs around %70 water %30 coir/verm by weight
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#28272696 - 04/11/23 11:08 AM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Iβve been using the standard recommendation of 80-8Quote:
AyePlus said: Weigh out 100g and throw it in the oven on 200 for a few hrs and weigh it again. You now know the exact % of hydration it sits at when it stops changing.
I like my subs around %70 water %30 coir/verm by weight
Iβve been using the standard 80-83% water substrate that most people on here recommend! Iβm definitely going to try your way next round of shoe boxes to see if I can get some better results. Thanks as always for your tips and insights.
For those of you that figure your water by multiplying the coir by 4 or 5 to determine how much water you need, AyePlusβs 70% water substrate means you would multiply your dry coir by 2 + 1/3 or 7/3 or approx 2.33 to get the correct amount of water to add.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#28272840 - 04/11/23 12:57 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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AyePlus said: Weigh out 100g and throw it in the oven on 200 for a few hrs and weigh it again. You now know the exact % of hydration it sits at when it stops changing.
I like my subs around %70 water %30 coir/verm by weight
thx... it smelled a touch funky so I decided to use it for house plants in the hopes it doesnt kill any, grabbed a few more fresh and dry bricks
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pickle Rick]
#28273437 - 04/11/23 07:14 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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What is going on with these cups? These T2s came from Water agar. Didnβt see anything really when transferring ..but now not sure if it worked.
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San Pedro Girl said: Iβve been using the standard recommendation of 80-8Quote:
AyePlus said: Weigh out 100g and throw it in the oven on 200 for a few hrs and weigh it again. You now know the exact % of hydration it sits at when it stops changing.
I like my subs around %70 water %30 coir/verm by weight
Iβve been using the standard 80-83% water substrate that most people on here recommend! Iβm definitely going to try your way next round of shoe boxes to see if I can get some better results. Thanks as always for your tips and insights.
For those of you that figure your water by multiplying the coir by 4 or 5 to determine how much water you need, AyePlusβs 70% water substrate means you would multiply your dry coir by 2 + 1/3 or 7/3 or approx 2.33 to get the correct amount of water to add.
It varies quite a bit from brand of coir,, and even a little brick to brick, i buy 20lb unwrapped blocks, thatre very coarse, at one my supplier changed sources and i had to back down from 80% or end up using more verm to get a proper texture.
I mostly run mini monos 1:3, about 3β deep, with a 1/2β top layer for everything but PE and other blobbing varieties i do 1β and I only compress these.
Your results look pretty good from where Iβm standing, but it never hurts to run a couple side by sides with clones
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus] 1
#28275351 - 04/13/23 04:06 AM (9 months, 12 days ago) |
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I just picked up coir from a different supplier. Crazy how different it is to the other coir I've been using. Just goes to show, not all coirs are created equal. I assume coir that can aspire more water per gram would be considered superior?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Pickle Rick] 1
#28275385 - 04/13/23 05:13 AM (9 months, 12 days ago) |
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Pickle Rick said: I assume coir that can aspire more water per gram would be considered superior?
That was my thoughts as well behind using hydroponic grade coco...better water holding ability and it breaks up and levels out after being spawned easier as well. Fuck that ultrafibrous hay sold as pet bedding.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: PBJ710]
#28276425 - 04/13/23 07:29 PM (9 months, 12 days ago) |
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Is it okay to open the box to check on it before fc?
Iβm like 8 days in, 80% colonization, opened it for a brief second today
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Dj_karma_magnet said: Is it okay to open the box to check on it before fc?
Iβm like 8 days in, 80% colonization, opened it for a brief second today
Yes, itβll be fine.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Way]
#28277702 - 04/14/23 04:21 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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OK cool, I'll do that next time.
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