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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: nektar61] 11
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nektar61 said:, there is no search function for "growers who should be TCs but didn't get their badge for one reason or another."
Sure there is, just put "Baba Yaga" in the "Posted by" field
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SirPsycho] 1
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nektar61 said:, there is no search function for "growers who should be TCs but didn't get their badge for one reason or another."
Sure there is, just put "Baba Yaga" in the "Posted by" field
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well, i just ordered Stamets book on gourmet and medicinal mushroom. its the third edition. i am curious to find out how many "debunked myths" are in there. i am not willing to totally disqualify him for having told us some weirdly exaggerated stories about healed cancer. as i am not willing to declare mckenna crazy for getting all over the top with 2012 or la churrera.
(almost) everybody who talks a lot will eventually say something stupid or wrong. attacking a public person like them for not being "the perfect hero" is childish and imo unnecessary.
sure you can find all the information on the net, but a book, with pictures and printed on paper is still a nice object. maybe i am oldschool now.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: chris77] 1
#28215360 - 03/05/23 06:09 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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In the podcast with stamets and rogan he says that his product uses mycelium rather than fruit bodies because of better compounds found in them. If that isnβt the biggest bold faced lie just to make more money by not actually taking your cultures to fruiting, then maybe heβs on the spectrum
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Adrenognome said: In the podcast with stamets and rogan he says that his product uses mycelium rather than fruit bodies because of better compounds found in them. If that isnβt the biggest bold faced lie just to make more money by not actually taking your cultures to fruiting, then maybe heβs on the spectrum
i tend to agree with you on this.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: chris77] 3
#28215494 - 03/05/23 08:42 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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Explain to me again how there is any medicinal benefit to extracting chaga mycelium when the only known medicinal compound from chaga is betulins produced by the birch tree host in response to the infection.
Stamets is cool and i love the positive attention heβs brought to mushrooms but to me it seems clear heβs out for the cash grab and fame.
10/10 would eat mushrooms with the guy, bet he has some cool stories..as far as on his cult/ extraction mushroom medicine advice, iβd take it with a grain of salt..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: AyePlus]
#28215515 - 03/05/23 08:55 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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AyePlus said: Explain to me again how there is any medicinal benefit to extracting chaga mycelium when the only known medicinal compound from chaga is betulins produced by the birch tree host in response to the infection.
Stamets is cool and i love the positive attention heβs brought to mushrooms but to me it seems clear heβs out for the cash grab and fame.
10/10 would eat mushrooms with the guy, bet he has some cool stories..as far as on his cult/ extraction mushroom medicine advice, iβd take it with a grain of salt..
that sounds pretty reasonable. he is running a multi million dollar enterprise. he is a businessman. but also an ambassador and he for sure understands a thing or two about mushrooms.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker] 2
#28215587 - 03/05/23 09:55 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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I'll give the worst first because this isn't just "I kinda dont like the things he does and think he's wrong" like when we tease you tube guys. Stamets claimed mushrooms cured multiple incurable diseases and conditions like cancer and deafness in close friends. There's general health benefits of some mushrooms and some properties that warrant research, but nothing close to cures for these things. Imo its sick and predatory to be telling people, including desperate cancer patients, that the thing you sell has cured their disease. Lately hes kinda tried to walk it back, but still tells the stories without strong claims to avoid penalties.
His achievements/contributions just aren't as many as people tend to think. He built fame from questionable tactics like finding and naming new species with his partner by looking for slight differences in phenotype in mushrooms miles apart. Here's a link with some examples, for context Alan Rockefeller is a Mycologist and afaik the leader in using genetic sequencing to correct fungus taxonomy. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25724743
For growing, he's the source of a lot of myths we see floating around. He'd make things up and write them as fact without testing. I cant tell you how many people have come here after reading his grow book and do things like colonize in the dark, low o2 during colonizing, etc.; which were easily debunked from simple side by side grows because the differences were so clear. People like Mckenna and Psilocybe Fanaticus contributed far more to growing and tested methods before publishing books, we still use some methods or the basis of those methods, like pf tek.
This is all very important, especially the first paragraph. Stamets lies about the medical capabilities of mushrooms and people are being hurt by and dying from it. When he brags about turkey tail mushrooms curing his mom's cancer he always fails to mention how she stayed on her regular cancer treatment program from her oncologist as well. Guess which one cured her cancer? He doesn't run studies, he sells products.
There's also his choose your own adventure degree from Evergreen. I know a lot of smart people who have gone to Evergreen, but it is a rich kid playground where you can make your own program. There wasn't a mycology program or department when he went there, and there still isn't. He's not an actual mycologist, he's a business hype man who has a product to sell.
Yeah, he's brought a lot of people into the world of mushrooms... but he did it with lies. The amount of unlearning I had to do because of the guy was very annoying, and everyone that shows up here regurgitating his BS annoys the crap out of people actually getting things done. I don't think he's evil, but I don't think he's that great either. He's just a salesman.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr Piggy]
#28215607 - 03/05/23 10:10 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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I'll give the worst first because this isn't just "I kinda dont like the things he does and think he's wrong" like when we tease you tube guys. Stamets claimed mushrooms cured multiple incurable diseases and conditions like cancer and deafness in close friends. There's general health benefits of some mushrooms and some properties that warrant research, but nothing close to cures for these things. Imo its sick and predatory to be telling people, including desperate cancer patients, that the thing you sell has cured their disease. Lately hes kinda tried to walk it back, but still tells the stories without strong claims to avoid penalties.
His achievements/contributions just aren't as many as people tend to think. He built fame from questionable tactics like finding and naming new species with his partner by looking for slight differences in phenotype in mushrooms miles apart. Here's a link with some examples, for context Alan Rockefeller is a Mycologist and afaik the leader in using genetic sequencing to correct fungus taxonomy. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25724743
For growing, he's the source of a lot of myths we see floating around. He'd make things up and write them as fact without testing. I cant tell you how many people have come here after reading his grow book and do things like colonize in the dark, low o2 during colonizing, etc.; which were easily debunked from simple side by side grows because the differences were so clear. People like Mckenna and Psilocybe Fanaticus contributed far more to growing and tested methods before publishing books, we still use some methods or the basis of those methods, like pf tek.
This is all very important, especially the first paragraph. Stamets lies about the medical capabilities of mushrooms and people are being hurt by and dying from it. When he brags about turkey tail mushrooms curing his mom's cancer he always fails to mention how she stayed on her regular cancer treatment program from her oncologist as well. Guess which one cured her cancer? He doesn't run studies, he sells products.
There's also his choose your own adventure degree from Evergreen. I know a lot of smart people who have gone to Evergreen, but it is a rich kid playground where you can make your own program. There wasn't a mycology program or department when he went there, and there still isn't. He's not an actual mycologist, he's a business hype man who has a product to sell.
Yeah, he's brought a lot of people into the world of mushrooms... but he did it with lies. The amount of unlearning I had to do because of the guy was very annoying, and everyone that shows up here regurgitating his BS annoys the crap out of people actually getting things done. I don't think he's evil, but I don't think he's that great either. He's just a salesman.
could you elaborate one or two things you had to unlearn regarding him and mycology? apart from the sales driving BS i equally condemn by the way.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: chris77] 3
#28215948 - 03/05/23 01:33 PM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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I think thats a smart approach. You shouldn't just believe anyone cause they say its true. I think alot of people take a similar route you're describing. First the growing, but you kinda excuse it; then the taxonomy stuff is a bigger problem and looks more like a pattern; and then the bs miracle stories are like a last straw making it really hard to support him. I think they sound like faith healer stories and thats something I have a hard time ignoring.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LtLurker] 1
#28216094 - 03/05/23 03:42 PM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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So Stamets is a business man first, promoter second, and mycologist third. Good to know, I was unaware.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Excess Taters] 4
#28216163 - 03/05/23 04:32 PM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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Excess Taters said: So Stamets is a business man first, promoter second, and mycologist third. Good to know, I was unaware.
Astute summation. Although chronologically it went more like
He grew cubes to fund college and start his business/ branched into legal species to expand and go legit, βnamedβ a few species already known to science, co-wrote a couple questionably useful cultivation books , then developed the easiest methods to produce as much extract as possible, started promoting his methodologies himself and company like no other with the mushrooms driving the train.. no shade intended Iβm on a somewhat similar trajectory but i like to hope i have more integrity or self awareness..
Its Been more than a few years since heβs contributed anything academically valuable. But again the positive light he shed and the sheer number of people he's turned onto mushrooms outweigh alot of the less that savory aspects of his scientific and business career. I sell gourmets and medicnals at the farmers market and heβs the #1 name i hear mentioned by new customers and Iβve lost a couple when Im in a shitty mood and badmouth him..
, man is driving the mushroom market forward for all of us.. so for that I (and all of us tbh) am eternally in his debt..
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: chris77] 2
#28216869 - 03/06/23 06:41 AM (10 months, 19 days ago) |
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I'll give the worst first because this isn't just "I kinda dont like the things he does and think he's wrong" like when we tease you tube guys. Stamets claimed mushrooms cured multiple incurable diseases and conditions like cancer and deafness in close friends. There's general health benefits of some mushrooms and some properties that warrant research, but nothing close to cures for these things. Imo its sick and predatory to be telling people, including desperate cancer patients, that the thing you sell has cured their disease. Lately hes kinda tried to walk it back, but still tells the stories without strong claims to avoid penalties.
His achievements/contributions just aren't as many as people tend to think. He built fame from questionable tactics like finding and naming new species with his partner by looking for slight differences in phenotype in mushrooms miles apart. Here's a link with some examples, for context Alan Rockefeller is a Mycologist and afaik the leader in using genetic sequencing to correct fungus taxonomy. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25724743
For growing, he's the source of a lot of myths we see floating around. He'd make things up and write them as fact without testing. I cant tell you how many people have come here after reading his grow book and do things like colonize in the dark, low o2 during colonizing, etc.; which were easily debunked from simple side by side grows because the differences were so clear. People like Mckenna and Psilocybe Fanaticus contributed far more to growing and tested methods before publishing books, we still use some methods or the basis of those methods, like pf tek.
This is all very important, especially the first paragraph. Stamets lies about the medical capabilities of mushrooms and people are being hurt by and dying from it. When he brags about turkey tail mushrooms curing his mom's cancer he always fails to mention how she stayed on her regular cancer treatment program from her oncologist as well. Guess which one cured her cancer? He doesn't run studies, he sells products.
There's also his choose your own adventure degree from Evergreen. I know a lot of smart people who have gone to Evergreen, but it is a rich kid playground where you can make your own program. There wasn't a mycology program or department when he went there, and there still isn't. He's not an actual mycologist, he's a business hype man who has a product to sell.
Yeah, he's brought a lot of people into the world of mushrooms... but he did it with lies. The amount of unlearning I had to do because of the guy was very annoying, and everyone that shows up here regurgitating his BS annoys the crap out of people actually getting things done. I don't think he's evil, but I don't think he's that great either. He's just a salesman.
could you elaborate one or two things you had to unlearn regarding him and mycology? apart from the sales driving BS i equally condemn by the way.
Woodlover myc harvesting by transferring stem butts to cardboard.
Honestly I'm not going to just sit here and repeat what everyone else has already said, they guy is not the golden boy of mushrooms when it comes down to it. Yes, he's brought a lot of people into the mushroom world, but he did it with lies.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr Piggy] 1
#28216881 - 03/06/23 06:55 AM (10 months, 19 days ago) |
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my only gripe with the dude is that he shunned the shroomery
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bw86] 2
#28216922 - 03/06/23 07:29 AM (10 months, 19 days ago) |
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bw86 said: my only gripe with the dude is that he shunned the shroomery

Imagine how much more this place would look like Reddit had he not
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He is likely lurking here and learning with the rest of us.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: LadysKnight]
#28216943 - 03/06/23 07:43 AM (10 months, 19 days ago) |
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im paul staments

i have personally been inconvenienced by adhering to doctrine he helped developed. the wasted time and effort and MONEY back in the day to keep my jars pitch black and at 86f and other dumb shit.
luckily im terrible at following instructions so i grew shrooms by accident but ironically it was the correct way. took me a decade of not growing to realize i was doing it right all along. but i hated myself for not being able to get those great results. i blamed myself but i would much rather blame the person who wrote the manual.
so i wrote my own manuals. some ive shared here
paul has been a influence on my life no doubt. just not the way youd think.
personally i think he makes himself a super easy target.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
#28216971 - 03/06/23 08:09 AM (10 months, 19 days ago) |
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I've been searching everywhere for his knife fighting clip, I can't find it anywhere, you'll all just have to use your imaginations.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28217316 - 03/06/23 12:29 PM (10 months, 19 days ago) |
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Stipe-n Cap said: I've been searching everywhere for his knife fighting clip, I can't find it anywhere, you'll all just have to use your imaginations.
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