Riza said:

Through my experiences I personally lean towards the frequency and vibration construct of this reality. Also the illusory feeling of separation between Spirit, Mind and Body.

If you look at things from just a scientific viewpoint you can't answer mystery's that defy every method 'Science' has came up with, with more 'Scientific theories' which in turn are just meaningless terms or hypothesis' used to describe an experience or in other words awareness.

Every method they have still has that invisible box of limitation shrouded around it, which is why every theory has been nothing but theories with no proof haha.. Because they are looking for proof in the completely wrong spot.

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wowimflabbergasted said:

PussyFart said:

Why assume there was a creator?

Life can come from non life on it's own.

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Unfortunately people need something to cling on to and "live for". If they don't know the answer to something, in comes god lol because what else really makes sense? must have been magic. and it really helps peoples fear of dying...when you die good things happen...yay...?

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Many minds on this Earth simply conclude that there must have been a first cause - some of whom look at it from a scientific, logical standpoint.

Likewise, we could reach the conclusion that you seemingly disagree with the God concept because it makes you feel out of control - a 'son' of a higher cause, a product, perhaps at the mercy of that cause. From this one could also conclude that you are unfortunately 'clinging' to yourself.

People disbelieve in 'God' and they clothe the concept to reenforce their disbelief.  One atheist may subscribe to the man sitting on the cloud and will never strive to think beyond that, whilst the well versed theologian will try to understand it by way of trying to grasp that it is simply all.

When we pass the naivety and ignorance, we begin to understand the ineffable more clearly and combatting those two things are the very first and imperative steps of doing so.  The allegory for the naivety is labelled ' blindness'.  It is clinging to oneself and consequently imprisoning oneself.

The 'reward' as you've so identified with is seemingly misunderstood also from an ego standpoint.  The sacrifice you need to give for understanding (the reward), is the very thing you are clinging to - your self.

With that commitment, you discover then, that in your giving, you are ultimately giving to the self and everything you've ever contributed to the world is but a product of what will return to you. Once you've reached this revelation called 'atonement' (at-one-ment), you ponder why you were ever insane enough to waste time contributing anything other than love.

Don't waste time criticising what you can't comprehend. Begin learning, begin to connect and strive to see that you are part of an amazing, all encompassing one, then, you'll begin to understand this thing we call 'God' and knowing that you are all, makes this thing called 'death' nothing but a seamless surf as the drop meets its sea.

Duncan Rowhl said:

One atheist may subscribe to the man sitting on the cloud and will never strive to think beyond that, whilst the well versed theologian will try to understand it by way of trying to grasp that it is simply all.

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PussyFart said:

I disregard the "God" concept simply because of the complete lack of evidence, nothing more.

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PinPornProducer said:

And also if evolution were true, why did it stop? Why are there not anymore fish growing legs to walk on land? Are there shark police patrolling the shore lines saying no more evolution today guys, nothing to see here, carry on...?

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Duncan Rowhl said:

PussyFart said:

I disregard the "God" concept simply because of the complete lack of evidence, nothing more.

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Others embrace the 'God' concept on the basis that the simple completeness of existence itself is the evidence.

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PussyFart said:

Duncan Rowhl said:

PussyFart said:

I disregard the "God" concept simply because of the complete lack of evidence, nothing more.

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Others embrace the 'God' concept on the basis that the simple completeness of existence itself is the evidence.

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Existence is proof of existence, nothing else. Not god, not creation, just existence.

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PussyFart said:

I understand, but what these people fail to realize is what caused the first cause. It's a circular argument. They think that we are so intelligent that we had to have been made by intelligence, but if that is the case what created the "first intelligence"? It's all heresay seeing as tho there is no evidence for any of this. I go through life believing in as many true things and the least amount of false things as possible. If it cannot be proved or demonstrated, I do not believe.

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NDStepp84 said:

Not picking on Christianity, just using it as an example. If you take all the teachings of Christ it's all about love, mercy and forgiveness; yet more people have died in the name of Christ than any other name.

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'Christ', regarded as a 'name' is evidence in itself of ones misunderstanding.

'Christ' is an inner, sacred and holy essence of truth residing in the hearts of everyone.

Similarly, 'Buddha' is not a name, but a condition.  It is also the same condition as 'Christ'.  It is a term, besides 'Jesus Christ' which is referenced in several organised religions.

'Christ' is a suffix title given to those who have, by their practice and teachings, attained higher knowledge by reaching it within themselves.

'Jesus' was a man who relayed the essence of Christ through his own pure channel in a bid to open others heart channels.

The world doesn't suffer deaths as a result of true Christ.  Deaths occur from the ego mind ('The Devil') relentlessly attempting to vanquish its perfect opposition.

There are people all over the world practicing the way of Christ (Their true heart) and even without a label or religion associated with that person, they are often reprimanded for expression of the condition alone.  This is whats known as their 'crucifixion' - the enivitable opposing force which eats at people trying to convince them that it's everyone for themselves, rather that the light which teaches love and eternal union.

'Death' is a product of ego. Christ is to the perfect contrary as eternal absolution.

Look to the attacker as the cause of deaths since they're not caused by those who know and practice love.  They're caused by the force that despises love.

NDStepp84 said:

It's ok to have faith in something, but organized religion is the source of a lot of the worlds problems IMO. Not picking on Christianity, just using it as an example. If you take all the teachings of Christ it's all about love, mercy and forgiveness; yet more people have died in the name of Christ than any other name.

People group together and and are willing to kill anyone who dosen't share their beliefs, ignoring all evidence of the truth because of ego to be wrong is to be destroyed. Religion breeds hate and separation, feelings of superiority (yay for our side), hell just in Christianity there are countless denominations that disagree.

It boils down to fear, fear of dying, of loosing loved ones, being insignificant without purpose. It's ok to believe in something bigger than yourself, but just because someone dosen't believe like you dosen't mean you shouldn't accept them as your equal. You are the same, regardless of beliefs and should love them as you love yourself. Fear is such a waste, energy cannot be destroyed your energy will be absorbed and recycled back into the system per the natural order of the universe.

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