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 Havoc
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 Who/What is God to you? 
#316977 - 05/14/01 02:07 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think god is a metaphor for the force of creation. I don't think that it is a he or she or anything else inparticular. I doubt that it has ever really talked to anyone( maybe what people thought was god was the super ego or the overmind as Terence McKenna would put it). Scientists know for a fact humans didn't arrive here in a matter of days and that there are other worlds out there besides ours so how can the bible be accurate? what do you think?
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: Havoc]
#317044 - 05/14/01 03:11 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Havoc, imagine the biggest mystery of all mysteries, one so deep that all world is based on it, one so illusive that people have been trying to hunt it down for endless time, one so beautiful that nothing you have ever seen can be compared to it, the only thing that is a non-idea, non-symbol, non-image, non-illusion, non-this-and-non-that-and-not-anything-else...
Do you think it is meaningful to ask whether or not such a thing exists? Do you think it is meaningful to ask who or what such a mystery is (or is produced by)? Do you think you can ever get at it by calling it God and asking what God is?
Read some Shakespear, watch your favourite video, drink some beer, have some great sex, you'll learn more about God this way, then you can on this BB in a hundren million years...
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: Havoc]
#317071 - 05/14/01 03:36 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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First of all, scientists don't know for a fact that humans didn't arrive here in a matter of days, abiogenesis and macroevolution are still theories. And how does evidence of other worlds (or dimensions if that's what you mean) effect the accuracy of the bible? What do you mean by "scientists know for a fact that there are other worlds out there" planets? God to me is the entity/person/being/force/whatever that defined the laws of our universe, and created, through intelligent design, life on Earth, and possibly other planets as well. I don't believe humans could possibly understand his plan, and will distort his character in trying.
Edited by GanjMob420 on 05/14/01 05:39 PM.
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: Havoc]
#317310 - 05/14/01 06:46 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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That which no greater can be defined. Problem is, what is this quality "greatness"?
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: Havoc]
#317880 - 05/15/01 12:39 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes, everything religious based can be proved incorrect by scientific facts.
The main reason i think a lot of people turn to god is when a loved one dies, they have can think that that loved one is safe in "heaven" and whatnot. before science even existed cultures looks at god(s) as an explanation for creation, their purpose on the planet, and where other natural resources came from. Like the greek gods and goddesses, the bible and the god most of the religious people today believe in, is simply a myth.
Its incredibly annoying to see so many different religious groups all over the world, most in the US which differ slightly. Whether "God" came to the the earth or was here always is the only difference between religions such as roman catholic and jews, and its all just cowshit to me, i couldn't care less. Whether you believe in a higher being or not is all based on your views and how you were brought up.
i also have an incredible grudge against mormons personally, because all the mormons i've met are completely arrogant to people outside their religion, but how can they be? they follow idiotic rules such as not drinking caffiene and the females not aloud to where tank tops, i mean whats up with that? They are closed minded WEIRD PEOPLE . Theres more to it than that, and it always angers me.
as an athiest, i can't see how anyone could have such strong feelings for higher beings, and i've been told i just don't have a spiritual side. well, in the relgious sense, i guess i don't, but i just think rationally.
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: Jenny]
#317892 - 05/15/01 01:02 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jenny, how the hell can everything religious based be proven incorrect by scientific facts. According to science, using the scientific method, we can't even prove our world existence beyond the human mind. Ever seen the Matrix? It's the same idea. Trying to disprove theology through the scientific method is ridiculous. Theology can only be truly pondered through reasoning. Try using science to explain how something came from nothing (how our universe came from the nothingness of a vacuum). Where the hell did all the energy in this universe come from? The only rational answer is God. Whatever God is. We've only had advanced science for about 400 years, how much truth about the universe could we possibly know. The science we have now is not ultimate knowledge. I agree Mormons are wierd though.
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: Jenny]
#317932 - 05/15/01 02:15 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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> yes, everything religious based can be proved incorrect by scientific facts.
No it can't. Please show me how science has disproven the existence of Jesus or God.
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: Havoc]
#317955 - 05/15/01 03:35 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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What else can god be described as, but as an entity.
I think the conventional meaning of the word god has a lot of misconceptions. Both by individual people and by large organizations of people. I think we are a far too advanced culture to be beleiving in practices such as worships and sacrifices. We should stop beleiving in a God with a face who saves the faithfuls and condems the unworthy. If God ever actually really gave humanity any type of rules or comandments, we already had it implanted in our brains long before we were even conscious of it. We describe this knowledge with what we refer to as a common sense of right and wrong. Excluding physiological defects, people choose for themselves their own paths based on what they see and learn. I tend to relate common phrases like "Do unto others, as you'd have others do unto you", and "Save the Whales" more to God than scriptures such as the Ten Commandments, the Bible, or the Book of the Dead for that matter. I'm not saying signifigance cannot be found within their pages, but I do believe humanity has a tendencey to over complicate things.
Regardless of everything, I beleive that there was once a begining, a begining of everything. Also I beleive there were a billion beginings before that, and each and everytime conciousness has evolved to ponder it's own existence. Perhaps before all the beginings though, before the planets and the stars, before anything actually truly existed, there was truly nothing. Until there was an uncomprehensible explosion of mass into our known universe. Whether this was a just part of nature, or the act of a god, we may never know. But just as we had our begining, would God not himself have his own beginings? Somewhere down the line I'm pretty sure nature always starts to take over. But would that not just make our own God a creation, just like us? Does God himself ponder the existence of a God? I myself tend to believe that nature, and nature alone, is the one true creator, the true "God". Which brings us to the real question, is God conscious, or just a natural force. Of course our Universe could turn out to be nothing more then the smallest partical in the largest of universes. Perhaps infinitly more exist all around us and within us. Ahhh, the infinite complexity of imagined reality. Only through science and technology do I think we will ever find the answers to any of these questions. Of course it could also turn out that the Universe is relitivetly simple, and it is us that are relitivetly complex.
"And then you will realize the truth; there is no spoom."
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: GanjMob420]
#317999 - 05/15/01 04:20 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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hmm, so you're saying the only explanation to where energy and questions that are unanswered by science is that they were created by some God? My opinion is solely different, science has discovered and will continue to discover answers to unanswered questions as long as our race goes, and of course they aren't going to find out whether there is a god or not, and its not like i'm shunning anyone that is religious, just stating my opinion, i don't think some higher being created us or life
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: Jenny]
#318023 - 05/15/01 04:50 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont think the point of having a god is to justify existence of life.
Its meant as a tool to deal with shit in life, so that when you think nothing can get worse, you have faith in something that you cant see, but you know is powerful and mysterious.
I think a lot of religions have an awful lot of bullshit about them, but when you bring it down the the very nature of them, they make a lot of sense.
I think religion is just a catalyst for people to get in touch with their spiritual side. Think about those words, they make a lot of sense to me.
I'm glad to say i belong to no religion, it quite simply does not apply to me.
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: Jenny]
#318183 - 05/15/01 08:04 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, I'm saying the only way there can be a creation is if there is a creator. Our physical universe runs according to laws, someone or something had to define these laws, whatever or whoever it is, is God.
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: Dead Shaman]
#318328 - 05/16/01 01:07 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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>>Does God himself ponder the existence of a God? <<
have you ever considered that maybe that is the reason we are here? so 'god' can ponder the existence of itself?
as for me though, i think 'god' is the driving force behind everything: if it weren't there, there would be nothing. i guess that means that to me, 'god' is everything.
'god' is the energy that is everywhere and everything.
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: coma]
#318342 - 05/16/01 01:28 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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if you break us or anything down to the biological level we all have cells that work together and i mean every living thing. now break those cells down to the chemical level and you find that you get more cells. each cell has a nucleus and its own function. our only problem is that we cannot see that we are cells of a higher being or god if you will. sure we like to think that we are the greater being but that is just our arrogance. maybe the greatest being of all is the one that ties all of these cells together and that in itself would be the omniscent being. you and i are made of the heavens, celestial masses, and that is what links us to god.
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: Sampson]
#318349 - 05/16/01 02:10 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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does man create god? if so why are there so many men? or does god create man? if so why are there so many gods? i once read when a post that described a painter and how he only knows life outside of the painting and the figures in the painting only know life in the painting. sure they can look out and see another world but only the part of the world that is in front of them... or something along those lines. now are you the painter or the painting. does it matter? the one who sees through the painting and through the painter is the all knowing and what is the point in knowing it all if your only friends are a sketch and a sack of meat.
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: coma]
#318440 - 05/16/01 07:59 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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God is energy?
God is mass?
God is a flow of goo in the void of nothing?
God is I?
God is everything?
God is a teeny-weeny little ant sitting on top of an anthill in sothern Sweden looking at the finger pointing at him from above?
God is a glass of milk which I drank this morning -- I have drank the whole glass of God this morning?
I have Godded a whole glass of milk this God?
Have you God God God?
In God we God?
God?
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Oh, God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@#$^&*()*^$@@@!~$@%*..................................... .
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: gribochek]
#318441 - 05/16/01 08:07 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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"God is life,life is good,God is good"-MOE
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: mycelios]
#318475 - 05/16/01 09:38 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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alan watts:
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: Havoc]
#320627 - 05/19/01 12:13 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think you nailed in on the nose in the first sentence.
"God is a metaphor for the force of creation"
God is creation.
Creation is God.
God "created" everything
Creation created everything
Everything is God
God is Creation
Creation is God
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: ]
#320797 - 05/19/01 09:51 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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God is you, you are a brain that is operating a body, God is in your head.
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Re: Who/What is God to you? [Re: GanjMob420]
#321860 - 05/20/01 05:41 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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We see that the world operates on physical laws that hold up under tests time and time again. We can observe that our personalities are forged by genetics, experience and external influence, factors which in turn we can observe. People have found that time, like space, is warped and subject to gravitational pull (hey, the higher you get the slower time goes, right? The less 'physical' you are, the less gravity, and thus time, can act upon you), leading us to conclude that time is a regular dimension like the spatial ones. Quantum theory suggests the existence of 10 dimensions, at least. Where did all this come from? 10 dimensions of what? What is outside the known physical laws? I guess that is the realm of a god.
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