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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: Sclorch]
    #955480 - 10/12/02 06:55 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: World Spirit]
    #955896 - 10/13/02 12:05 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Now, in addition to these spiritual "places" is the Spirit of a Living God. He can be called on and felt. He can sorround you and give you His temporary presence. He can enter into your very soul if you turn to the right channel.
I dare any of you to argue these words with logic.

 




He? His? thats the only part i can argue with :smile:
the divine is singular, there is no opposite it cannot be male for that makes it not female.. which cannot be... it is no-thing...

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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #955958 - 10/13/02 12:53 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: Sclorch]
    #955966 - 10/13/02 12:56 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: World Spirit]
    #956319 - 10/13/02 04:41 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Sclorch ~ you try way too hard to entertain yourself.

In your eyes... God made me this way...
Are you questioning God? How dare you?!


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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: World Spirit]
    #956665 - 10/13/02 11:57 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You haven't here, nor do you usually respond to MY comments enter - you respond to YOUR interpretation of my comments. This is like the defense mechanism called 'projective identification' (which is different from simple projection). It is like wrongly believing that I stole something from you, and believing that, you begin to regard me as a thief, when I have not been.

You always respond to my posts on consciousness by prefixing the word "human" in front of consciousness. I never state this for one very good reason.

Secondly, you consistently confuse the human ego (the focal point of human consciousness) with the Consciousness or Spirit of God that I am referring to. All of those omni- terms that apply to Deity, do not apply to the human being. The Biblical statement in Acts 17:28 says, with reference to God: "In him we live and move and have our being. As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.'" (NIV) The statement itself is a very profound and a metaphysically telling one. We are not identical to the Essence of God any more than we are comprised of the original sperm and ova that our parents contributed to create us. Did our parents create our body, and did God then blow a little spirit into our fetus like in the Genesis account of Adam's creation? No. We took our existence from the multidimensional Reality of Existence Itself - from God's 'emanations' of creation. And just like Channel 7, which you found so amusing, along with every other frequency permeating your very being, God's emanated 'frequencies' also permeate creation, sometimes to coalesce, constellate, or otherwise take form from the various material, psychic and spiritual frequencies that are ever-available in creation. I am not referring to a mechanistic and impersonal process, because God is involved, and as we both agree, God is 'at least' personal, and Transpersonal, in my understanding.

You are right to perceive the Eastern influence in my posts, but you fail to see that it from the point of view of EASTERN CHRISTIANITY, which is closer to the original Greek theological conceptions of these matters than the twice-removed theologies of Protestantism, which is descended from Cathiolicism, which broke from the Orthodox traditions to become a tool of the 'Holy' Roman Empire. In front of me is a small book by Fr. George A. Maloney, whom I met years ago, called 'A Theology of Uncreated Energies.' It is a thoroughly Eastern Orthodox Christian theology which uses al framework for the 'theosis' of man [man becoming God], MUCH more clearly (and psychedelically) than Protestant or Catholic doctrines.(Incidentally, Father Maloney, a Jesuit Catholic expert on Patristic [Orthodox] theology, took acid). Begin to understand that theosis begins when we Realize the moment-to-moment Presence, not an 'impartation' of some vaporous substance external to ourselves but a Present Reality, IMMANENT in creation. This is the whole point of the Incarnation - Divine Immanence. Instead of affirming the absolute distinction between Creator and creation - which makes you a lot more Muslim than Christian - you will have to really integrate all that head knowledge about Jesus. You'll have to Realize what you've preached about in the depths of your own being. Jesus was the Doorway that connected creation with Creator.

Jesus never said 'I am the Father,' likewise, when I refer to Oneness with God, it is affirming what Jesus maintained in His being, without stating 'Oneness with Christ,' although this is what I mean. Unfortunately, most people don't get that 'being in Christ' is what Jesus is celebrated as. Sometimes Jesus spoke as Jesus, the man ('I am going to the latrine'); sometimes the LOGOS was speaking in and through Jesus ("I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life."). The doctrine of the Trinity is a way of stating that human beings can attain Union (not only Communion) with God, without compromising the absolute otherness - transcendence - of God (the Father). When we are 'in Christ,' we become 'transmuted' (Orthodoxy) or 'transubstantiated' (Catholic) into Christ. Only Christ is 'One in Being with the Father.'

Like every one of our bodily cells being completely replaced supposedly every 7 years, yet maintaining our form - every vestige of human consciousness will eventually be replaced by the Consciousness (Spirit) of Christ, which is Love. Only Love 'gets into' Heaven/God, the rest perishes. Eternal Life is the Life of God. There is no personal immortality in the Bible. On Earth, Jesus was 'the Fullness [Pleroma]' and none of us are so-filled, but given a measure. We can enter into that Fullness, and that is the divine goal of human development.


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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: World Spirit]
    #957357 - 10/13/02 06:15 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

HE has given His sheep, had a moment where He decided that He would be a "He." Furthermore, He decided that He would design Himself very specifically




again with the HE, true some aspects of god are male, for it is all we can understand...... but it has revealed itself in female aspects as well.... the holy ghost for example..... (if you are following a christan view of the divine)

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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #957657 - 10/13/02 08:08 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: World Spirit]
    #957950 - 10/13/02 09:50 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

No, but when you die, it'll kill YOU. Your Love, however will endure forever. :smile:


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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #957970 - 10/13/02 09:59 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Mark, you know the Irish Protestants and Irish Roman Catholics.... ah nevermind. :wink:


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    #957994 - 10/13/02 10:09 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

The album by Nirvana, made by both?


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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #958002 - 10/13/02 10:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #958004 - 10/13/02 10:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:


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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: World Spirit]
    #958094 - 10/13/02 10:56 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I share in Existence. Existence is upheld by the Essence of God (I am an Ontologist: I believe that 'Essence preceeds Existence;' whereas an Existentialist believes that Existence preceeds Essence.') I DO participate in the Being of God - all of Existence participates in the Being of God.

I read by the light cast by a light bulb. The filament remains removed from the light. The filament might be the source of the light, which I acknowledge, but it is the light that is extended from the source that a enables me to see. The radiance on my page is human-friendly, while the intensity of heat and brightness of the tungsten filament separated by vacuum is destructive to humans. This is crude analogy. Paradox is rarely manifest in physics, except perhaps on the micro-quantum level. Creation and emanation imply a connection between source and effect. The effect may be transformed down, and utterly changed in the process as heat being applied to water creates steam, which applied to a turbine creates motion, which applied to a dynamo creates electricity which applied to a fluoresecent tube creates cold light. Meanwhile, Tesla's high-energy experiments induced fluorescent lights to glow many miles away by a kind of induction. The only medium was space-time.

God's Being is nicely described in Hinduism as Sat Chit Ananda - Existence-Knowledge-Bliss. Westerners would do well to study why this formula has evolved in order to help with the Hebrew and Greek formulations. Why should not Christian theology benefit from a far older religious tradition? Salvation history continues. Christianity wouldn't be Christianity without Greek philosophy, and the older Indian philosophy has much in common with Platonic and Neoplatonic Greek thought - much of which is woven through Christianity. Eastern thought in general derives from archetypal sources. Do you enjoy the Gospel of John? It is so 'Eastern' and so Gnostic-like that it almost didn't make it into the Bible, yet it is THE most popular Gospel for evangelizing the peoples of this world. John's Gospel is perhaps the least historically accurate, yet the most spiritually accurate rendering of Christian Truth.

Much of your distinctions between human consciousness and Pure Consciousness are completely artificial, and are nothing but constructs of human thinking in its attempt to prevent idolatry. This is all very primitive. Any spiritually advanced theology knows not to worship a rock or a Jaguar automobile as God-stuff. One would have to take the entire creation as a whole, and consider it as Pierre Teilhard de Chardin did, as the Body of Christ moving toward the "Omega Point," in which the entire universe will be transformed into Christ. There is no real danger in compromising the utterly transcendental essence of God by saying that existence participates in the Being of God. And human existence - well, we can say "I AM," and it resounds with the very TRUTH of Existence. Our existence depends utterly on the Eternal Existence.

Separation from God is defined as Hell.


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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #958131 - 10/13/02 11:07 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

thanks, your posts are always so informative and great. everything is constantly praising god....just by exisiting. i think its the highest form of praise


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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: CleverName]
    #958181 - 10/13/02 11:21 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks! Sometimes my head hurts from banging it against the computer table repeatedly, so it's nice to get a word of appreciation, not to mention corroboration!


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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #958196 - 10/13/02 11:26 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Recognizing "spirit" and the "Spirit of God" [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #958602 - 10/14/02 01:37 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Wisdom lies in the path of knowing when to remain silent and when to speak.

Take heed dear friend.

I know you do.


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    #959151 - 10/14/02 07:18 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Gotcha. But this time, it is more than evident.


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